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This season was so short that I was wondering why there wasn't an episode yesterday.
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counterfeitsaint posted:I was such a dumb oblivious kid in middle school. It never occurred to me how hosed up those books were until I looked up at my parents faces after I finished reading my book report to them. It was the one where the high school perv timed a camera to take pics of the girls locker room shower and accidentally took pictures of a murder. Also cocaine was involved somehow. Just remembered the book where the protagonist is killed while getting an abortion by the spirit of her fetus who was the reincarnation of the school outcast. Slightly less off topic, there was also a book where the heroine gives birth to an incarnation of Kali while some other kid who is a reincarnation of Jesus/Krishna is running around.
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Jun 26, 2017 17:04
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Jeoh posted:Vulcan, God of Rocketry Please please please let S2 have a faded-glory Rocket God who got his rocks off in the 50s and 60s killing astronauts...
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Jun 26, 2017 17:53
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DoctorGonzo posted:Odin cursed him and everything he did I assumed that's what the curse was for as well, to prevent Vulcan from immediately resurrecting due to all his works being out there with his worship base in full force. I mean if killing a god was just as easy as slaying them with that sword then Odin had all three of them right there at the Easter party, there has to be more to it.
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Jun 26, 2017 18:02
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McSpanky posted:I assumed that's what the curse was for as well, to prevent Vulcan from immediately resurrecting due to all his works being out there with his worship base in full force. I mean if killing a god was just as easy as slaying them with that sword then Odin had all three of them right there at the Easter party, there has to be more to it. They made a big deal of how Vulcan pledged to Odin, even if he was just paying lip-service, contracts between gods seem to have some binding effect. Maybe accepting Odin as overlord is what allowed Vulcan to be slayed by him: joining his pantheon made him a subject to Odin's rules?
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Jun 26, 2017 18:12
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skull mask mcgee posted:This 4chan kid I used to go to school with was extremely into Tyler The Creator so i'm assuming technical kid is as well. "Shadow, do you see that record store?" "The lovely one?" "Yes, the lovely one. I want you to go in there and buy a vinyl copy of In The Aeroplane Over the Sea. It's the only way to get him to go away." IIIIIIIIIIIIIIiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII love you Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus Cuh-riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiist
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Jun 26, 2017 18:21
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counterfeitsaint posted:I was such a dumb oblivious kid in middle school. It never occurred to me how hosed up those books were until I looked up at my parents faces after I finished reading my book report to them. It was the one where the high school perv timed a camera to take pics of the girls locker room shower and accidentally took pictures of a murder. Also cocaine was involved somehow. I'm ok with this book talk. What book was this?
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Jun 26, 2017 19:16
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Jeoh posted:Vulcan, God of Rocketry He'd clearly be the god of radial tires. And hockey pucks.
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Jun 26, 2017 19:19
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bondetamp posted:I'm ok with this book talk. The first Google result maybe?
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Jun 26, 2017 20:39
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Toxic Fart Syndrome posted:They made a big deal of how Vulcan pledged to Odin, even if he was just paying lip-service, contracts between gods seem to have some binding effect. Maybe accepting Odin as overlord is what allowed Vulcan to be slayed by him: joining his pantheon made him a subject to Odin's rules? Also don't forget that it was a god (of general violence and war) murdering another god with a sword made by a god of making stuff and also murder. A sword that was symbolically made to be used symbolically for killing other (newer) gods. It's all about symbolism. That's why Wednesday pisses on the forge. It's not going to directly hurt anything, but pissing on something is a pretty old way of telling someone to gently caress off. skull mask mcgee posted:This 4chan kid I used to go to school with was extremely into Tyler The Creator so i'm assuming technical kid is as well. I dunno poo poo about Tyler the Creator, but vaporwave is probably the most bleeding edge level of irony that I feel fits the guy perfectly. Maybe it would be vaporwave of dubstep. SpookyLizard fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jun 26, 2017 |
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Jun 26, 2017 20:51
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I could see a cameo appearance of a 'god of the atom' showing up as a fading god on the 'new gods' side. 'Duck and cover' being a parallel to getting on your knees and praying, all the 'healthful radiation' products that existed back in the early 1900s, etc. I think some people earlier in the thread that 'belief'/'religion' for these characters doesn't necessarily mean actual 'get down on your knees' praying to something, it just needs to be conscious sacrifice of some sort and ritual. Media, of course, arises from people who watch something 'religiously'. Nobody really 'believes' in smartphones but Technical Boy exists because people will sacrifice their money to get the latest bit of tech, will organise themselves into Google v Apple, will work together and commit CPU cycles to DDOS someone they don't like, etc. As mentioned upthread, the new gods seem a little off because the old ones have legends told about them and are conceptualised as having human desires and thoughts, whereas the new gods are basically faking the humanity they have. Mr World's minions are the closest they get - literally 'faceless replacable goons'. Also those faceless goons had great choreography in the finale.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:01
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This reminds me of the pseudo April Fools joke about the Church of Google. Google is the closest thing to omnipotence that human beings will ever encounter and should totally be a god on American Gods.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:06
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Media should be an old god.
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Jun 27, 2017 04:03
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Balthesar posted:Media should be an old god. For real. She should be the only old god that's thriving, she's been in existence for hundreds of years. Arguably since the printing press.
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Jun 27, 2017 05:17
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Compared with the Old Gods she's just getting her drivers license.
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Jun 27, 2017 05:43
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WampaLord posted:For real. She should be the only old god that's thriving, she's been in existence for hundreds of years. Arguably since the printing press. Yeah, do y'all know how long Odin has been around?
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Jun 27, 2017 06:21
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Makes me wonder about tech boy. Is there a new god of New Stuff every decade? Are there hundreds of his predecessors clinging to life from the handful of greybeards who still obsess over the technology of that era? Perhaps he has only come into existence over the last century or so as tech has advanced more rapidly than ever before. Even a century-old god is still a bratty teenager to someone as old as the printing press.
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Jun 27, 2017 06:24
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The new gods are probably able to quickly adapt to new trends to keep up their followers.
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Jun 27, 2017 06:28
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Javid posted:Makes me wonder about tech boy. Is there a new god of New Stuff every decade? Are there hundreds of his predecessors clinging to life from the handful of greybeards who still obsess over the technology of that era? Dean Winters as the Beeper God.
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Jun 27, 2017 06:30
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Javid posted:Makes me wonder about tech boy. Is there a new god of New Stuff every decade? Are there hundreds of his predecessors clinging to life from the handful of greybeards who still obsess over the technology of that era? SNES God just got a huge surge of faith and he doesn't know why.
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Jun 27, 2017 06:38
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Javid posted:Makes me wonder about tech boy. Is there a new god of New Stuff every decade? Are there hundreds of his predecessors clinging to life from the handful of greybeards who still obsess over the technology of that era? The printing press is just over five hundred years old... Jesus is 4 times older than the printing press. Odin dates back to like, at least a thousand BCE. Bilquis (The Queen of Sheba), is likely younger than that, but definitely older than 550 BCE. Which is about when The (Gautama) Buddha happened. The Greek gods are probably about as old as Odin, but maybe slightly younger. By comparison, the ancient Egyptian Gods are like, 3,000 BCE at least, because that's when regional dieties got assembled into a pantheon. So Anubis and Ibis are probably twice as old as Odin. It's entirely possible than Anansi is far older than any of them, because oral traditions of African mythology don't leave much dateable archeological evidence. I am not an expert, but I think this is a ballpark correct timeline of most of the gods in the show. if anyone has corrections, please let me know. Obviously, for many of them, we're dealing with prehistorical religion, so they could be much older than evidence indicates.
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Jun 27, 2017 07:13
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Javid posted:Makes me wonder about tech boy. Is there a new god of New Stuff every decade? Are there hundreds of his predecessors clinging to life from the handful of greybeards who still obsess over the technology of that era? You need sacrifice and ritual to create and power a god. Most 'fandoms' would probably count except they don't have enough critical mass. The tension is between the old gods who have not that many followers but have genuine belief and ritual, and the new ones who have diffused belief amongst a bunch of people but still have the ritual in a sense. I don't think there were enough people to be 'devoted' to the printing press - and with the Bible being one of the first things created, a lot of it probably just got assigned to the Abrahamic god. I put forth the 'god of the Atom' as someone who could feasibly be a new god, and electricity or steam might conceivably be that too if there was sufficient mysticism about them back in the day. There would absolutely 100% positively be a god of railroads because you have plenty of sacrifice and ritual there.
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Jun 27, 2017 07:40
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WampaLord posted:For real. She should be the only old god that's thriving, she's been in existence for hundreds of years. Arguably since the printing press. Since Town Cryers or staged performances possibly?
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Jun 27, 2017 12:00
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Humbug Scoolbus posted:Since Town Cryers or staged performances possibly? If you want to get real broad with the interpretation Media could be the oldest god of them all--the very concept of human communication and culture. (But as the persona of mass media she probably came into being with the broadsheet)
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Jun 27, 2017 13:26
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I hope media does a face turn and joins the old goods.
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Jun 27, 2017 13:31
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bewilderment posted:You need sacrifice and ritual to create and power a god. Most 'fandoms' would probably count except they don't have enough critical mass. The tension is between the old gods who have not that many followers but have genuine belief and ritual, and the new ones who have diffused belief amongst a bunch of people but still have the ritual in a sense. America's most powerful God has to be Fast Food: not only is it ritualized and literally worshipped with shrines and idols, but between diabetes, heart disease, and everything else it certainly has the largest death toll. The runner up would be the Automobile: a close second in the sacrifice race. Big Tobacco is definitely high on the list. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
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Jun 27, 2017 14:34
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The god of vehicles needs to be a transformer.
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Jun 27, 2017 14:39
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Is Cancer a god? People don't "worship" it per se, but they do personify it by saying things like "gently caress cancer" or "I beat cancer." And it certainly has a sacrifice pool. Maybe you could argue modern medicine "worships" it in the sense of treating it like it's the ultimate thing to be conquered. A New God version of Pestilence, if you will.
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WampaLord posted:For real. She should be the only old god that's thriving, she's been in existence for hundreds of years. Arguably since the printing press. This might have something to do with it:  The kind of wide-spread mass consumption/appreciation that the new gods seem to feed on would only have been available for her since the year ~1900 tops.
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Jun 27, 2017 15:17
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10% of the world ain't nothing to sniff at. Lots of religions right now with less than that share. Like, say, Judaism.
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Jun 27, 2017 15:24
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WampaLord posted:10% of the world ain't nothing to sniff at. Lots of religions right now with less than that share. Like, say, Judaism. Yes, but that's active worship, which apparently counts for far more in this mythos.
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Jun 27, 2017 15:52
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started watching orange is the new black, fun to see sweeney again
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Jun 27, 2017 15:55
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:started watching orange is the new black, fun to see sweeney again You should stop watching after the first or second season, it just gets bad.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:06
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Cojawfee posted:You should stop watching after the first or second season, it just gets bad. Yeah I keep hearing that, feels like a dark cloud creeping over the sun of my enjoyment of this first season 
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Jun 27, 2017 16:07
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Dr. Tim Whatley posted:Yeah I keep hearing that, feels like a dark cloud creeping over the sun of my enjoyment of this first season IMO it stays funny, just recognize that it's a goofy sitcom and not a serious business prison drama like some people seem to expect.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:14
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:IMO it stays funny, just recognize that it's a goofy sitcom and not a serious business prison drama like some people seem to expect. The show itself forgets to be funny in the fifth season.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:18
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That all said Mary Sweenburgen would be a great choice if an older Gaelic god were introduced, or even if the Will Ferrell's Mom god was introduced.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:21
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If you want more Sweeney watch a good show, The Wire, instead.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:22
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GonSmithe posted:If you want more Sweeney watch a good show, The Wire, instead. I've resigned to never watching the wire, its just not gonna happen in this life.
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The area of Baltimore that season 2 of The Wire mainly deals with is now like, yuppie douchebro central. It's honestly kind of depressing.
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