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Karl Barks posted:pass a tax on the rich and bring about a constitutional crisis bing bong Just force rich people to buy their heads, or have them removed by the state. It's not a tax, so no super majority is required.
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Condiv posted:they have a supermajority. why can they not pass anything at all? how many more democrats have to be in power before democrats start passing democratic legislation instead of republican legislation and compromises with republicans!? NNNNN..NO....LOOK AT THE REPUBLICANS AND THE AHCA! THEYRE THE BAD GUYS! NOT US!
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Condiv posted:they have a supermajority. why can they not pass anything at all? how many more democrats have to be in power before democrats start passing democratic legislation instead of republican legislation and compromises with republicans!? democratic supermajority != progressive supermajority. it's that simple. it's not a grand plan, it's just that too many legislators don't want to pass it. in this case it only takes a few.
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Ytlaya posted:I like the part where he goes "I wonder if this is what democracy in ancient Greece was like" But which version had/has more pedophiles in power?
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Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) says Democrats should campaign on a single-payer health care plan in 2018 and 2020. She said former President Barack Obama tried to use a more conservative model when writing the Affordable Care Act, but she told The Wall Street Journal Tuesday that Democrats should push for a health care plan similar to Canada and the United Kingdom. “Now it’s time for the next step. And the next step is single payer,” she said, adding that the key to Democratic wins is adopting a more “progressive” approach. *** In Lowell, Ms. Warren said there is broad support for raising the minimum wage, expanding Social Security, forgiving student loan debt and installing tougher federal regulations on the financial services industry. Democrats, she said, would do better if they campaigned on that progressive platform rather than blurring the lines between themselves and Republicans. “The progressive agenda is America’s agenda,” she said. “It’s not like we’re trying to sell stuff that people don’t want…It’s not that at all. It’s that we haven’t gotten up there and been as clear about our values as we should be, or as clear and concrete about how we’re going to get there.”
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Jun 27, 2017 18:07
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Concerned Citizen posted:democratic supermajority != progressive supermajority. it's that simple. it's not a grand plan, it's just that too many legislators don't want to pass it. in this case it only takes a few. then let them out themselves.
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Karl Barks posted:pass a tax on the rich and bring about a constitutional crisis bing bong dissolve the united states imo
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Willa Rogers posted:Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) says Democrats should campaign on a single-payer health care plan in 2018 and 2020. they should
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Jun 27, 2017 18:08
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Concerned Citizen posted:democratic supermajority != progressive supermajority. it's that simple. it's not a grand plan, it's just that too many legislators don't want to pass it. in this case it only takes a few. So then what's the point in supporting Democrats that will oppose legislation yoy want passed?
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Jun 27, 2017 18:08
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Al! posted:dissolve the united states imo it'd be a lot easier for rival burbclave states with competitive human rights to recruit people~ "this union has legal weed, but no healthcare" and vice versa with cul de sac capitals
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MizPiz posted:So then what's the point in supporting Democrats that will oppose legislation yoy want passed? well no one is making you support democrats that oppose your legislation
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Jun 27, 2017 18:09
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Concerned Citizen posted:democratic supermajority != progressive supermajority. it's that simple. it's not a grand plan, it's just that too many legislators don't want to pass it. in this case it only takes a few. too many democratic legislators are taking too many bribes you mean, including supposed singlepayer proponent rendon who shielded his slimy friends. i hope he and every one of these worthless dems get voted out. also, this drives home why it's worthless to vote for centrists as a lesser of two evils. cause they will stab you in the back all the same while trying to lie to you about it
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Jun 27, 2017 18:09
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"i support single payer, but we need to try it at a county level first"- the democrats
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Jun 27, 2017 18:11
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Lastgirl posted:it'd be a lot easier for rival burbclave states with competitive human rights to recruit people~ i support single payer, but we have to try it on the steve's mom's house level first
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where's the lie, tho?
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Single-payer, where each citizen is a unique consumer who pays singly for healthcare on a robust market, like shopping for socks or candy
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also, i forgot that someone gift cert'd me an avatar change, so as i scroll around itt i keep thinking "when the hell did i write this garbage?" and then i remember that gimmick don't work anymore.
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since prop 13 amended the california constitution, and it needs to be changed for single payer, aren't the routes to getting the taxes done: 1) a ballot initiative 2) 2/3rds of both houses agree on a proposition, which goes out to a statewide ballot anyway 3) 2/3rds of both houses agree to hold a constitutional convention a convention would own imo
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Al! posted:dissolve the united states imo why didn't the acid rain of the 70s and 80s get around to finishing the job
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Jun 27, 2017 18:16
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One-third of all Americans are already served by single-payer programs: the VA, Medicaid and Medicare. Of course, you'll never hear bad dems admit this when arguing that the time's not yet ripe for single-payer.
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zegermans posted:I dunno maybe we should be on the side of the folks who don't want thousands more to die and pick the fight about the thousands they let die due to single payer opposition for a different time through political activism and replacing of the dem party structure from the ground up with progressives This only really applies to voting. I agree that people should ultimately make the practical best choice in the voting booth, but I can't think of many benefits to clamping down on criticism of Democrats (which is what you seem to be implying here with this "be on their side" stuff). It's not like non-Republicans saying "grrr I hate Republicans/the AHCA" on Twitter is going to somehow hamper their efforts to pass the AHCA. The only real potential result from people expressing their opinions like this is to generally signal the opinions of the population as a whole (or Democrats as a whole), and while there's a non-zero chance that Democrats might care about millions of Democratic voters saying "I am very unhappy with your behavior", there's definitely zero chance that Republicans will give a poo poo about millions of Democrats voicing their opposition to the AHCA (and it's not like there's any dearth of that to begin with). Like, I just can't really see what the harm is to leftists verbally attacking Democats. If a leftist says they won't vote for a Democrat (in a remotely contested area, at least), there's some grounds for argument there, but I can't really think of anything tangibly negative that would result from a bunch of Democrats signalling their displeasure with the party.
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mormonpartyboat posted:since prop 13 amended the california constitution, and it needs to be changed for single payer, aren't the routes to getting the taxes done: p much yeah and we've passed tax increases via ballot initiative before that's why I and a few others think a ballot initiative is the best chance single payer has in this state
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Jun 27, 2017 18:18
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Venom Snake posted:Generally personal wealth has had little to do with where presidents fall on the left/right axis historically. The issue with ZUCK is he's a creepy techlord not that he's rich. the issue isn't how much money he had, it's how he made it. he was born to parents that made six or seven figures each, never had a job where he wasn't the boss, and didn't even finish his first Harvard degree before starting his own business that eventually made him into a billionaire. there's never been any indication that he realizes the massive advantages his parents and upbringing afforded him, and typically those types end up believing that they're self-made men who bootstrapped themselves to riches by being smart and working hard, with no help from anyone. and people who honestly believe in bootstraps are generally not known for being kind and understanding toward the poor
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i dont understand why getting the dems to vote on a bill is a bad thing
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Terror Sweat posted:i dont understand why getting the dems to vote on a bill is a bad thing because their corporate donors won't allow them (or us) nice things, and bad dems don't want to have to demonstrate their corporate ownership.
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Terror Sweat posted:i dont understand why getting the dems to vote on a bill is a bad thing because then they might lose their supermajority to pass regressive tax hikes
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Jun 27, 2017 18:21
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what if, get this paradox-level grand strategy, the california dems worked on a ballot initiative while working on the other bill in committee at the same time in case the ballot initiative fails
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Al! posted:what if, get this paradox-level grand strategy, the california dems worked on a ballot initiative while working on the other bill in committee at the same time in case the ballot initiative fails again this cannot happen because then they'll be on record as voting to move a tax increase that didn't only gently caress over the poor out of committee
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I feel like that was my point
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Maybe California is just a bad state.
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docbeard posted:Maybe California is just a bad state. bitch ill cut u
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docbeard posted:Maybe California is just a bad state. No True Leftist State
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Terror Sweat posted:i dont understand why getting the dems to vote on a bill is a bad thing the ~math~ is basically you gotta do a statewide ballot (or hold a convention lol) either way, so do you want to have a ballot on its own or do you want to have a ballot and also a bunch of dems going on record as voting for a significant tax increase and probably a bunch of seats lost in the upcoming election because people are idiots and are those seats worth the lives that will be lost, especially if trump passes his poo poo Now and ya gotta wait until another election cycle to get the groundwork passed much less functional communism implemented
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docbeard posted:Maybe California is just a bad state. im from oregon so im genetically disposed to believe this with every fiber of my being
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Al! posted:what if, get this paradox-level grand strategy, the california dems worked on a ballot initiative while working on the other bill in committee at the same time in case the ballot initiative fails just call a convention and make a horse governor imo
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What if...there are inherently no good states in the seat of global empire?
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 this is more pressing than singlepayer!!https://twitter.com/Rendon63rd/status/879743321324740612
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mormonpartyboat posted:and are those seats worth the lives that will be lost, i'm fairly certain the soon to be dead would vehemently disagree
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