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the corporate fatcat democrats prevented hero of the people ronald reagan from implementing his socialist agenda
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Condiv posted:bad dems have already made it clear they won't pass singlepayer, and they claim they'll go for public option, so lets expose that as a lie too! All 58 democratic senators (and Bernie) voted for the public option.
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Al! posted:some real impressive suck zoning from mpb yeah; if dems were serious about single-payer, they'd be pointing out the difference between a static & modest tax increase and the rate of increases in deductibles, co-pays and insurance premiums over the past few years.
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ThndrShk2k posted:You should not assume things when they are not said. Do you live in Maine? Please detail your exposure and direct interaction with minorities.
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Yinlock posted:the corporate fatcat democrats prevented hero of the people ronald reagan from implementing his socialist agenda hillary is already ahead of you on whitewashing reagan: "reagan was such a great leader on the aids crisis  " Bip Roberts posted:All 58 democratic senators (and Bernie) voted for the public option. amazing how the dems wanted public option so much it wasn't part of hillary's platform. like at all. doubly amazing how the dems can never do anything, ever, for anyone. even when they have supermajorities in government they can't do anything.
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Willa Rogers posted:yeah; if dems were serious about single-payer, they'd be pointing out the difference between a static & modest tax increase and the rate of increases in deductibles, co-pays and insurance premiums over the past few years. that and loudly shouting how many people die from/are ruined by completely preventable illnesses i remember in the runup to obamacare's passing that almost nobody on either side had any idea that something like 60-70% of medical bankruptcies were against people who had health insurance already
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Jun 27, 2017 22:29
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GalacticAcid posted:a sheepdog, if you will If only there were a candidate who'd run on a strong progressive platform instead of the same watered down liberalism that has crushed the working class for for the past 70 years
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Jun 27, 2017 22:29
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mormonpartyboat posted:that and loudly shouting how many people die from/are ruined by completely preventable illnesses exactly. every argument they could make against trumpcare, could be made against them shelving singlepayer in california they are completely insincere
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Jun 27, 2017 22:30
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Bip Roberts posted:All 58 democratic senators (and Bernie) voted for the public option. if the Democrats had only threatened to kick Lieberman out of the caucus, which wouldn't be an empty threat at all
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Jun 27, 2017 22:30
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Condiv posted:hillary is already ahead of you on whitewashing reagan: "reagan was such a great leader on the aids crisis nah that's just stupidly trying to centerize, im talking straight up lies about reagan's political positions of course he loved single payer, conservatism has always been the best for the people
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Jun 27, 2017 22:31
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Jun 27, 2017 22:32
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Condiv posted:exactly. every argument they could make against trumpcare, could be made against them shelving singlepayer in california or, more appropriately, could also have been made against the ppaca
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Jun 27, 2017 22:32
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Yinlock posted:nah that's just stupidly trying to centerize, im talking straight up lies about reagan's political positions uh, reagan being good on the aids crisis at all is a straight up lie about reagan's political positions. he made sure nothing was done until it started spreading to straight people cause he thought it was a punishment from god against the gays
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https://twitter.com/johnastoehr/status/879806842544807941 loving 
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to be way too charitable to the dem, they don't seem to like to make ambitious policy proposals because their reflex is to try to defend it from every possible ideological angle rather than just accept that yes, single payer costs money it does, it costs money deal with it austerity nerds
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like even idiot libertarian minarchists who get hard at the idea of firemen letting houses burn down because they didnt pay their quarterlies should still be for at least some degree of a single payer system were they intellectually coherent
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Jun 27, 2017 22:33
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:if the Democrats had only threatened to kick Lieberman out of the caucus, which wouldn't be an empty threat at all they could also have not openly supported him in the general election against a Democrat. might have helped
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Yinlock posted:the corporate fatcat democrats prevented hero of the people ronald reagan from implementing his socialist agenda  
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Ace of Baes posted:the DSA runs local candidates, and will probably be running a lot more in the near future, we run under dem, green, independent, whatever gives us the best chance of winning, I don't think there's any chance of them becoming a political party anytime soon though, but who knows what'll happen at the national conference this year, there's 4x as many members as when they had it last year.
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Condiv posted:uh, reagan being good on the aids crisis at all is a straight up lie about reagan's political positions. he made sure nothing was done until it started spreading to straight people cause he thought it was a punishment from god against the gays Big Business prevented him, champion of the common man, from helping them until it was too late
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Jun 27, 2017 22:36
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mormonpartyboat posted:like even idiot libertarian minarchists who get hard at the idea of firemen letting houses burn down because they didnt pay their quarterlies should still be for at least some degree of a single payer system were they intellectually coherent true but, at what point was their ideology ever intellectually coherent?
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Jun 27, 2017 22:36
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DSA should be like the NRA.
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fits my needs posted:Do you live in Maine? Please detail your exposure and direct interaction with minorities. You need help.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:DSA should be like the NRA. armed, drunken, and effective
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ThndrShk2k posted:
Haha, nothing to say eh? suckzooooooonnneeeew
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Jun 27, 2017 22:38
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ThndrShk2k posted:DSA should never be a political party in terms of being an entity in the voting system. It would limit them too much. all that powa' the dsa has with the no votes they get, an' the no elected officials they have! it gives ma' party the sweats, i'll tell you what!
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:true its really fun loving with them from a libertarian angle some shithead was arguing that big government shouldn't come in and tell a cake maker what to do in his private business i said well no what they're doing is ensuring that every individual taxpayer can enter into commerce with the public markets, which is essential for truly free trade and then he changed his facebook name to albert einstein and gave me the clap
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:DSA should be like the NRA. I agree they should go all into maximizing rural suicide.
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ThndrShk2k posted:DSA should never be a political party in terms of being an entity in the voting system. It would limit them too much. organizing/putting forward socialist candidates whenever and wherever possible is already a huge contribution
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:DSA should be like the NRA. ok that makes sense
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mormonpartyboat posted:and then he changed his facebook name to albert einstein and gave me the clap buddy, if i had a nickel for every time that happened to me
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Bip Roberts posted:I agree they should go all into maximizing rural suicide.
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mormonpartyboat posted:its really fun loving with them from a libertarian angle lmao!!  
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mormonpartyboat posted:that and loudly shouting how many people die from/are ruined by completely preventable illnesses some poll last year showed 1/3 of all people with insurance deferring medical care bc of out-of-pocket costs--including 25 percent of those with serious medical conditions. hey, you know what would be a great way to get medicare costs down (along with prescription-drug pricing & letting younger/healthier people into the pool)? Not making people wait till age 65 to address serious medical problems. Willa Rogers has issued a correction as of 22:47 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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fits my needs posted:Haha, nothing to say eh? I'm glad no person is the gatekeeper
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Lindsey O. Graham posted:all that powa' the dsa has with the no votes they get, an' the no elected officials they have! well uhhhhh uhhhhh we have Kshama Sawant who's a part of oh goddamnit, Socialist Alternative!?? TROTSKY!?!?!?!?! 
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ThndrShk2k posted:Your reverse Zoux gimmick is sad. Squizzle is IK now. Also I doubt you've ever had any meaningful interaction with a person of minority descent lol. Plus this is the Suck zooooonnneeee I don't know or care who Zoux is lol
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mormonpartyboat posted:like even idiot libertarian minarchists who get hard at the idea of firemen letting houses burn down because they didnt pay their quarterlies should still be for at least some degree of a single payer system were they intellectually coherent when I did voter outreach among all political stripes, pitching medicare-for-all or other single-payer systems was the easiest pitch in the world to make to conservatives--easier than making the argument to centrist dems, even. and I remember posting something in dnd ages ago setting forth the libertarian arguments for single-payer (not being tied to a job for healthcare, etc.).
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