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OldSenileGuy
Mar 13, 2001
lol sorry Wonderllama

https://twitter.com/ejhradek_nhl/status/879841424694444037

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DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


https://twitter.com/CraigCustance/status/879810567770451968

lmao do it holland

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

DJExile posted:

You're Caro? :stare:

Please, Caro was a red herring.

Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

Kilza posted:

https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/879835652644192256

So Chiarelli's only move thus far has been trading Eberle for Strome, which is a downgrade in RW. Otherwise he's going to go into the season with almost the exact same roster as last year and approximately $9 mil in cap space after Draisaitl signs his new contract. Sekera is still hurt, there's no replacement for him other than going "okay just let Nurse/Benning play on the 2nd pair and hope for the best". The Oilers lack of scoring depth still hasn't been addressed, in fact it's been hurt by trading Eberle for a lesser player. And rather than using any cap space they're just going to let it go to waste, even though this is the last year of McDavid's ELC and they could easily fit in a couple of pieces on one year deals. Not to mention that last year was a case of everything that could have gone right did (right up until the Ducks series), and you're literally banking on that happening yet again.

This is going to end in one of two ways. The Oilers stay healthy, McDavid has the greatest season ever and they win the Stanley Cup, or they miss the playoffs. No matter what happens, fire Chiarelli.

The Oilers have about 4 million in cap room because of bonuses and will probably bring back Pitlick at around 1 million.

They only can really sign anyone significant if they are able to dump Pouliot or Fayne with money kept or buy one out which makes the cap hits coming that much tougher to deal with.


Edit: And the potential bonuses actually just about completely eat up the available cap space if they are all reached, which pretty much signals that they expect Puljajarvi on the team next year.

Darude - Adam Sandstorm fucked around with this message at 00:39 on Jun 28, 2017

Rotten Cookies
Nov 11, 2008

gosh! i like both the islanders and the rangers!!! :^)

https://twitter.com/adater/status/879819311292043264

If the Avs got the return the Isles did, it could've potentially been two 1sts and two 2nds for Duchene, essentially.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


https://twitter.com/adater/status/879819311292043264

:laffo:

a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES

tofes posted:

Is Kovy any good still anyway?

he was 3rd in the khl in goals and 2nd in points last year. granted, one of the people ahead of him in goals was nigel dawes, and he was playing on a stacked team, but it would appear as though he's got plenty of life left in him. also his numbers were way up from the last few years

e: looking up those khl numbers sort of makes me wonder if dawes could cut it in the nhl now if he came back for another go, but i guess he has kazakh citizenship now (and plays on the kazakh national team!) and i guess he probably wouldn't want to leave

Iodised QQ
Jul 23, 2004

The rumored offer that was out there from the isles was Hamonic, their 2018 1st, and a prospect who isn't Matt barzal/Ryan pulock/josh ho sang. So probably a guy like Michael dal colle or Kiefer bellows. Apparently that wasn't good enough for duchene either.

I don't know if Joe Sakic thinks he's trying to move Connor McDavid or what but I strongly doubt he'll get an offer that strong again.

Wonderllama
Mar 15, 2003

anyone wanna andreyfuck?

God is dead

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Iodised QQ posted:

The rumored offer that was out there from the isles was Hamonic, their 2018 1st, and a prospect who isn't Matt barzal/Ryan pulock/josh ho sang. So probably a guy like Michael dal colle or Kiefer bellows. Apparently that wasn't good enough for duchene either.

I don't know if Joe Sakic thinks he's trying to move Connor McDavid or what but I strongly doubt he'll get an offer that strong again.

lmao jesus christ Sakic what are you doing

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!
Is Sakic even the one making decisions in Colorado any more?

a false
Mar 5, 2009

I DECIDE
WHO LIVES
AND WHO DIES
i personally wouldnt hire a person to a managerial position if his playing career ended when he got his dick stuck in a snowblower

Schlesische
Jul 4, 2012

grack posted:

Is Sakic even the one making decisions in Colorado any more?

For now, yes.
He hasn't been fired but the Avs are (were?) looking to replace him.

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause

It's loving happening and you all know it

Oswald Kesselpot
Jan 14, 2008

HONK HONK HONK

Jordan7hm posted:

Crosby's deal was for 12 years, and it was expected that his cap hit as a percentage of the salary cap would go down significantly over time.

That shouldn't be overlooked - the same cap hit on an 8 year deal is worse than what Crosby or OV signed.
Assuming 2.5 mill cap increase every year, I think after 8 years from now, 13 million would still be in the neighborhood of 14% of the cap.

crosby's hit after 8 years from the start of his contract is going to be like 10.5%. Does 3.5% additional cap hit even enter into a GM's thought process when talking about a generational talent? It's a lot of money but I really don't know how a GM would approach that. I'd probably just throw money at the guy, which might be why I ain't a GM though.

McDavid will be what, 28? in 8 years, so he could reasonably expect a raise, assuming he actualy is a generational talent and doesnt start leaking brain fluid regularly.

No one check my math.

Oswald Kesselpot fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Jun 28, 2017

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

Teemu Pokemon posted:

It's loving happening and you all know it

Holland promised Babcock Blashill a right-handed defenseman and by gum, he's a man of his word.

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause
Perhaps the Leafs might part with Marchenko

i am the bird
Mar 2, 2005

I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

Teemu Pokemon posted:

Perhaps the Leafs might part with Marchenko

Never heard of him

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

https://twitter.com/craigsmorgan/status/879826259429216257

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME
lol at the idea of Tampa having Callahan and Girardi on their roster

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

Hip Now and Wow! posted:

Assuming 2.5 mill cap increase every year, I think after 8 years from now, 13 million would still be in the neighborhood of 14% of the cap.

crosby's hit after 8 years from the start of his contract is going to be like 10.5%. Does 3.5% additional cap hit even enter into a GM's thought process when talking about a generational talent? It's a lot of money but I really don't know how a GM would approach that. I'd probably just throw money at the guy, which might be why I ain't a GM though.

McDavid will be what, 28? in 8 years, so he could reasonably expect a raise, assuming he actualy is a generational talent and doesnt start leaking brain fluid regularly.

No one check my math.

I think it probably should. Play hardball with McDavid here probably isn't going to poison the well. He has five more season in Edmonton before he hits UFA, and if he's signing a max deal anyway it's not like you're getting some great deal by locking him up. It's honestly not about just about the dollars, it's about locking him up for as long as you can. Being able to only buy four years of UFA when you're paying max money is really questionable.

There's always a risk that he just decides not sign with you beyond his four mandated years when his ELC ends, but I really think that's a risk the GM should take.

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011
I'm not sure if he'll sign for 8 years, both Malkin and Crosby signed for 5 after their ELC so they could be FA's at age 25 and get a second huge payday

I wouldn't be surprised with something like 11.5 for 6 years

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




grack posted:

Is Sakic even the one making decisions in Colorado any more?

Dreger put out a report stating Kroenke gives 0 shits about the Avs, so ????

CBJSprague24
Dec 5, 2010

another game at nationwide arena. everybody keeps asking me if they can fuck the cannon. buddy, they don't even let me fuck it

Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

Dreger put out a report stating Kroenke gives 0 shits about the Avs, so ????

Why doesn't this surprise me at all?

Zodijackylite
Oct 18, 2005

hello bonjour, en francais we call the bread man l'homme de pain, because pain means bread and we're going to see a lot of pain this year and every nyrfan is looking forward to it and hey tony, can you wait until after my postgame interview to get on your phone? i thought you quit twitter...

Iodised QQ posted:

The rumored offer that was out there from the isles was Hamonic, their 2018 1st, and a prospect who isn't Matt barzal/Ryan pulock/josh ho sang. So probably a guy like Michael dal colle or Kiefer bellows. Apparently that wasn't good enough for duchene either.

I don't know if Joe Sakic thinks he's trying to move Connor McDavid or what but I strongly doubt he'll get an offer that strong again.

I think the problem for Colorado is that Hamonic isn't enough to drag their team to success, and non-top-ten picks would likely leave them in the same spot for a few years while they already have some close-to-prime-age talents in Mackinnon, Landeskog, and Barrie. Those three guys you named are the type of NHL-ready-next-year kind of blue chip prospects who they both need, and Duchene is worth. The type of guys who can make an impact next year, or if they can't pull out of it, will be in their prime in 3-4 years after they sell off their older players for picks.

Habibi
Dec 8, 2004

We have the capability to make San Jose's first Cup Champion.

The Sharks could be that Champion.
Kings are apparently interested in signing Thornton, which would be gently caress that.

ThinkTank
Oct 23, 2007

A Typical Goon posted:

I'm not sure if he'll sign for 8 years, both Malkin and Crosby signed for 5 after their ELC so they could be FA's at age 25 and get a second huge payday

I wouldn't be surprised with something like 11.5 for 6 years

The owners will probably try and cap contracts even further during the next lockout negotiations in a couple years. There will probably be a roll back too. If I'm McDavid, I'm getting as much as humanly possible right now.

If all Chiarelli does from now until October is get McDavid and Draistatl signed long term, I'd say he's has a pretty good summer. In the end those two guys are the pieces that actually matter, everything else should be worked around them.

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010
Is Spencer Foo able to contribute right away or does he need a year or two in the AHL?

mennoknight
Nov 24, 2003

I WILL JUST EAT ONE MORE SANDWICH
OH MY HEAD EXPLORDED I'M JAY FATSTER
Spencer Foo is gonna loving contribute to my boner patrol

stab
Feb 12, 2003

To you from failing hands we throw the torch, be yours to hold it high

mennoknight posted:

Spencer Foo is gonna loving contribute to my boner patrol

Well that escalated quickly

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


mennoknight posted:

Spencer Foo is gonna loving contribute to my boner patrol

mods new thread title pls

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008
https://twitter.com/kikkerlaika/status/879904230131335168

free agent frenzy is going to be fun

Benson Cunningham
Dec 9, 2006

Chief of J.U.N.K.E.R. H.Q.

mennoknight posted:

Spencer Foo is gonna loving contribute to my boner patrol

I'm not even sure I know what that means.

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

*For non-Detroit fans

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


god drat and i thought paul holmgren was a mess during free agency


he doesn't have poo poo on ken holland

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause

grack posted:

*For non-Detroit fans

gently caress it I don't even care anymore :regd08:

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004

Oh man I hope some non Pens team signs Hainsey looool

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

well I for one am quite pleased that Dallas got off on one of the early stops on this train.

Iodised QQ
Jul 23, 2004

Zodijackylite posted:

I think the problem for Colorado is that Hamonic isn't enough to drag their team to success, and non-top-ten picks would likely leave them in the same spot for a few years while they already have some close-to-prime-age talents in Mackinnon, Landeskog, and Barrie. Those three guys you named are the type of NHL-ready-next-year kind of blue chip prospects who they both need, and Duchene is worth. The type of guys who can make an impact next year, or if they can't pull out of it, will be in their prime in 3-4 years after they sell off their older players for picks.

I agree with you to an extent that Hamonic isn't a great fit with Colorado, I just think from their perspective they have so many needs that they should focus on maximizing duchene's value and getting as many quality assets that they can for him. There wouldn't have been anything stopping them from getting Hamonic and then flipping him for a first and 2 second rounders themselves.

So in terms of value they would've been getting 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and a prospect on the level of a dal colle for duchene. That's a really good return and the picks themselves give them a lot of flexibility. Duchene the asset has a limited market due to the extreme demands of Sakic and the amount of teams willing to meet them. I think having 3 first round picks in what projects to be a really good draft instead would allow a creative gm to make some really interesting moves to improve their team rather quickly. I don't know if Sakic is that kinda guy though.

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the talent deficit
Dec 20, 2003

self-deprecation is a very british trait, and problems can arise when the british attempt to do so with a foreign culture





Iodised QQ posted:

So in terms of value they would've been getting 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks, and a prospect on the level of a dal colle for duchene. That's a really good return and the picks themselves give them a lot of flexibility. Duchene the asset has a limited market due to the extreme demands of Sakic and the amount of teams willing to meet them. I think having 3 first round picks in what projects to be a really good draft instead would allow a creative gm to make some really interesting moves to improve their team rather quickly. I don't know if Sakic is that kinda guy though.

that doesn't seem like very good return for duchene. none of those picks have much value and unless dal colle is good now and not a longshot neither does the prospect

duchene is only 26, the avs can and should hold onto him unless they get an offer that actually gets them quality (young) assets

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