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Phanatic posted:I am absolutely not. I can't be clearer about this: the company should comply with the terms of the contract it signed. Actually you could be clearer, because currently you're completely full of poo poo.
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http://www.airlive.net/news-china-s...ce-at-shanghai/quote:A female passenger threw some coins into the aircraft’s engine before boarding a China Southern Airlines flight, which delayed the flight for over four hours at the Pudong International Airport. Probably made this sound: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wKPTWXD2Z0 Edit: Avenging_Mikon posted:Actually you could be clearer, because currently you're completely full of poo poo. Where in the hell did I say the company shouldn't comply with the contract? Phanatic fucked around with this message at 17:29 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Phanatic posted:
Can you guys take your slapfight to PMs or something?
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Nocheez posted:Can you guys take your slapfight to PMs or something? No this is the OSHA, collective bargaining, and personal insult thread
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Phanatic posted:And "allegedly" bad? There's no dispute that he falsified maintenance records for essential safety equipment, from either side of the dispute. In other words, it's not an allegation that he did that. I don't think that "allegedly" qualifier belongs there. Yes, at the time he was fired he was "allegedly bad". Practically any time something happens on the spot it's based on allegations, you only find out if they're actually true or not once people finish arguing it out. The whole point of procedures about termination is that the company has to prove that you're actually bad instead of just sacking you on the spot and putting the burden of proof on you to prove them wrong, while in the meantime having no source of income. Note that practically every CBA ever is totally fine with the company putting someone on an emergency suspension to get them off the job site, while the company gets its ducks in a row and goes through the actual proper agreed-upon termination process.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Anything involving toothpicks is OSHA as gently caress. I recently spent a grand total of $450 on medical bills after stepping into one and having the tip break off in the ball of my foot. Hah, that reminds me of some decades long high school OSHA, courtesy of my dad. He used to coach wrestling back in the 70s, and used to tell me a story when I was a kid about the time he slid across the bench to yell instructions at one of his wrestlers, only to end up with a splinter the length of his hand stuck deep in his left rear end cheek. Some 20 years later, he sits down at the breakfast table and yelps. Says it felt like he sat on a splinter, but can't see any poke marks. A couple of days later, it hurts badly enough that he goes to the doctor. tl;dr, they surgically remove the last 1/2" of wood out of his rear end, where it's been living in a cyst capsule, happy as wood in a man's rear end can be, just waiting for the day he would sit wrong and reintroduce it to his immune system. They let him bring the splinter home in a jar.
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Deteriorata posted:No, the rational response would have been to follow the proper procedures per the CBA. You may not be wrong. But that reminds me of a job I worked 30 years ago where some rear end in a top hat was stealing change out of the coffee jar in the break room. We had a thing back then where you were supposed to toss in a nickel or dime or something if you got coffee out of the pot. Someone was stealing the change. HR put a camera out and caught the guy who did it. The union helped him beat the rap (even though he was clearly guilty) and instead of getting fired, he was made the union rep for our location. When people find it perplexing why Americans don't wholeheartedly embrace unions, it's this kind of poo poo.
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DirtRoadJunglist posted:Hah, that reminds me of some decades long high school OSHA, courtesy of my dad. He used to coach wrestling back in the 70s, and used to tell me a story when I was a kid about the time he slid across the bench to yell instructions at one of his wrestlers, only to end up with a splinter the length of his hand stuck deep in his left rear end cheek. Some 20 years later, he sits down at the breakfast table and yelps. Says it felt like he sat on a splinter, but can't see any poke marks. A couple of days later, it hurts badly enough that he goes to the doctor. tl;dr, they surgically remove the last 1/2" of wood out of his rear end, where it's been living in a cyst capsule, happy as wood in a man's rear end can be, just waiting for the day he would sit wrong and reintroduce it to his immune system.
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GotLag posted:Of note: That excerpt makes it sound like it may even have been an honest mistake.
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Platystemon posted:That excerpt makes it sound like it may even have been an honest mistake. Yeah, the headline basically starts at "Metro forced to hire back union worker who got people killed". Then the story goes to "he lied about maintenance, but they eventually found out it didn't kill people" then to "management pressured him to check a box before he knew what was happening, so he caved and then they scapegoated him for it".
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Bacon Taco posted:You may not be wrong. That's neither theft from the employer nor relating to his job performance. Same poo poo happens in literally every school but teachers are not clamoring to kill their union.
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Azathoth posted:Yeah, the headline basically starts at "Metro forced to hire back union worker who got people killed". Then the story goes to "he lied about maintenance, but they eventually found out it didn't kill people" then to "management pressured him to check a box before he knew what was happening, so he caved and then they scapegoated him for it". I appreciate that people will just read the headline and then link the article to support their point even though the contents say otherwise. It's funny how actual reporting of unions show how they're doing their job properly and unverifiable hearsay about unions are about how they're terrible. Zesty fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Zesty posted:I appreciate that people will just read the headline and then link the article to support their point even though the contents say otherwise. It's funny how actual reporting of unions show how they're doing their job properly and unverifiable hearsay about unions are about how they're terrible. Currently trying to unionize the grad students at my University. Dealing with this poo poo is so stressful -- the University's main method to stifle support is to muddy the waters with threatening hypotheticals. Sometimes it's just flat out lies though; they're adamant that international students will lose their F-1 visas during a strike. So we have 40% of the student population worried they're going to get deported.
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Zesty posted:I appreciate that people will just read the headline and then link the article to support their point even though the contents say otherwise. It's funny how actual reporting of unions show how they're doing their job properly and unverifiable hearsay about unions are about how they're terrible. i just considered that 30 years ago a camera system would have been enough cash to pay for employee coffee for years.
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:That's neither theft from the employer nor relating to his job performance. Same poo poo happens in literally every school but teachers are not clamoring to kill their union. You missed my point that Petty rear end in a top hat Thief was made Local Union Rep after his petty crime. That's the problem.
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Zesty posted:I appreciate that people will just read the headline and then link the article to support their point even though the contents say otherwise. It's funny how actual reporting of unions show how they're doing their job properly and unverifiable hearsay about unions are about how they're terrible. Like so many things, the good stuff flies under the radar while the worst examples are the ones that make national headlines. Hell, I'd argue that the time when most people hear about unions nowadays is when one professional sports players union or another is arguing on behalf of someone who has already been found guilty in the court of public opinion, with interspersed stories of corruption in large unions that occasionally pop up.
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Bacon Taco posted:You missed my point that Petty rear end in a top hat Thief was made Local Union Rep after his petty crime. That's the problem. To be fair, this is sometimes a punishment... My mother-in-law is a custodian for a high school and has been the local custodian union rep for the past 6 or 7 years solely because no one else wants the job because it means you have to deal with a whole bunch of extra bullshit and, as far as I know, not get paid extra for it. She's been desperately trying to get someone else to do it for years.
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Bacon Taco posted:You missed my point that Petty rear end in a top hat Thief was made Local Union Rep after his petty crime. That's the problem.
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OooooWEEEEEEE I did not mean to start this unions good vs. unions bad slapfight. The only reason I said "the union guys" in my post about the maintenance workers falsifying their report was because that's literally all I know them as. I don't know whether it's the plumbers or the HVAC guys or what but there is one specific union that's allowed to maintain this device and so they were the guys who came in (or rather, didn't) to do it. The fact that they are part of a union IMO has no bearing on whether they're lying about doing their jobs. Unions, like all modern organizations, have good features and bad ones, but in a choice between "work takes longer to get done and costs more" and "people are incinerated while chained inside a burning factory" I know which one I'm gonna pick Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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DirtRoadJunglist posted:Hah, that reminds me of some decades long high school OSHA, courtesy of my dad. He used to coach wrestling back in the 70s, and used to tell me a story when I was a kid about the time he slid across the bench to yell instructions at one of his wrestlers, only to end up with a splinter the length of his hand stuck deep in his left rear end cheek. Some 20 years later, he sits down at the breakfast table and yelps. Says it felt like he sat on a splinter, but can't see any poke marks. A couple of days later, it hurts badly enough that he goes to the doctor. tl;dr, they surgically remove the last 1/2" of wood out of his rear end, where it's been living in a cyst capsule, happy as wood in a man's rear end can be, just waiting for the day he would sit wrong and reintroduce it to his immune system. I almost got an rear end splinter butt my school uniformed stopped it. That's my non butt splinter story. They really should make sure old rear end wooden benches are sanded down to a nice finish.
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A nine-year-old child suffered injuries including second-degree burns after the plastic playground slide he slid down exploded, and nobody knows why it happened. https://patch.com/wisconsin/greenfield/playground-slide-explodes-injures-9-year-old-boy 
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:That's neither theft from the employer nor relating to his job performance. Same poo poo happens in literally every school but teachers are not clamoring to kill their union. We get it, you love unions regardless of how worthless or corrupt they are. Can we get back to stupid people injuring themselves now?
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I remember one time someone came out to test the safety showers that my employer was renting to our client and 3/4 failed to work and the one that did work was 60 degrees Celsius. in response to this no one did anything and we somehow still have contracts with that client today three years later
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ChesterJT posted:We get it, you love unions regardless of how worthless or corrupt they are. Can we get back to stupid people injuring themselves now? a thread about how failing to follow government regulations results in horrific accidents time and time again doesnt seem like the best place for the gbs libertarian dipshit shtick
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Say Nothing posted:waterowned I'm the rainbow mocking you.
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Mozi posted:Well, we all understand how powerful the placebo effect is. I don't understand the placebo effect, but I fool myself into thinking I do, because I expect to understand it.
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Venuz Patrol posted:a thread about how failing to follow government regulations results in horrific accidents time and time again doesnt seem like the best place for the gbs libertarian dipshit shtick I think your knee just jerked right off there. Nothing libertarian in that post.  
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ChesterJT posted:I think your knee just jerked right off there. Nothing libertarian in that post. Right, you don't have to be libertarian to be virulently anti-union, just really evil.
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BgRdMchne posted:Right, you don't have to be libertarian to be virulently anti-union, just really evil. Surprise, you don't have either love unions or hate them. You can actually think some do some good and some suck. Less small-minded hardline bullshit, more osha. Or UHF videos. Those are pretty great too. 
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ChesterJT posted:Surprise, you don't have either love unions or hate them. You can actually think some do some good and some suck. Less small-minded hardline bullshit, more osha. Or UHF videos. Those are pretty great too. This is my "Operation" playstyle
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ChesterJT posted:Surprise, you don't have either love unions or hate them. You can actually think some do some good and some suck. Less small-minded hardline bullshit, more osha. Or UHF videos. Those are pretty great too. I like how the beams appear to look backwards, as if somebody pushed them into knocking over molten metal.
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Azhais posted:This is my "Operation" playstyle Same, but "Mousetrap"
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