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EggsAisle posted:I'm writing a story, a segment of which takes place in... well, think Spanish Civil War or WW2 as far as technology/society goes. It's complicated. Two pertinent questions: No. Modern smokeless cartridges just don't produce that much smoke, especially not enough to describe it as "soot." You're going to get far more gunsmoke around your eyes from cycling the bolt after firing, and even that's negligible. Put together 50 dudes and have them shooting non stop and you could get a bit of a haze in the air, but it would really take volume and time.
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feedmegin posted:Their small boat guys were awesome too and their capital ships were mostly hamstrung by fuel shortages. The Italian navy was p deece in terms of competency. Their army is better than given credit for too tbh, just crap equipment. Their capital ships were also behind in ancilliary equipment development due to lack of funding, rangefinders, radar that sort of thing. Their navy did a fairly good job all things considered with the limited resources they had.
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EggsAisle posted:I'm writing a story, a segment of which takes place in... well, think Spanish Civil War or WW2 as far as technology/society goes. It's complicated. Two pertinent questions: 1) the unburnt powder ends up exiting the barrel pretty quickly and burning up to make a huge fireball. I don't think any amount of wind would be enough to blow it back in your face before it burned up. 2) if he works at a factory that is evacuated, he would go with the factory. That also wouldn't stop him from trying to enlist anyway, the NKTP had a huge problem with skilled tradesmen wanting to fight instead of build stuff. I doubt that a small town would have a factory worth evacuating, though.
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Ask Us About Military History MkIII: Oh no, I killed Gay Black Hilda!
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Gnoman posted:The biggest reason that US didn't sign the treaty (apart from concerns over treaty commitments with the ROK, which Korea's government has said were not an insoluble problem) was complaints that the ban didn't go nearly far enough - the US was trying to push a total ban on all forms of buried mine that don't inherently deactivate within a very short time (either through a self-destruct circuit or reliance on a short lived component such as a battery), That's the US pushing a ban on the sort of landmines that poor countries like Iran and North Korea can't afford, while exempting the expensive sort of landmines that first-world industrialized nations can afford. In other words, it's pure self-interest. quote:This got away from me, but the main point I was trying to make was that the US generally agreed with the principle of the ban (only disagreeing with the specifics of how mines should be restricted), the US is complying with most of the provisions voluntarily About that: http://www.defensenews.com/articles/us-army-dusting-off-volcano-mine-dispensers quote:The US Army is dusting off mine dispenser systems it originally used in the 1990s because it sees an important role for them against near-peer adversaries now and in the future. quote:A very similar situation exists with the cluster-bomb ban. We're thinking maybe we really won't go through with it. http://www.military.com/daily-news/2017/05/02/army-concerned-over-ban-on-cluster-munitions-land-mines.html quote:The service is also looking at the existing XM1128 round, which has a range of 30 kilometers, and monitoring ongoing tests Israel is conducting on its new M999 round. The results Russia was achieving in Ukraine with DPICM were scary as hell.
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Polyakov posted:Their capital ships were also behind in ancilliary equipment development due to lack of funding, rangefinders, radar that sort of thing. Their navy did a fairly good job all things considered with the limited resources they had. They seemed particularly inept and cowardly in operation pedestal. Did they just not notice 2dds towing a tanker into Malta?
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bewbies posted:FASCAM-type mines are incredibly useful in countermobility operations but as it happens these are pretty much the exact kind of munitions that the various bans and whatnot really went after. We never had those here tho, we just had the regular type of mines.
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EggsAisle posted:(earlier post with questions) Thank you all for your answers and insights, I'm grateful!
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Wasn't there some sort of council consisting industrialists and movie producers and so on in WWII in the US? I can't find this on google and it is driving me crazy.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:37
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I've seen the "If you're out of A-7s you're out of planes" thing a few times, what's the story behind that? Just a shitload of A-7s?
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Haha, I'm sure it's more of a "it's the worst possible plane, but it can maintained somewhat easily and all the others have been shot down, so it'll probably be the last thing flying" thing than it being crazy available.
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Jun 27, 2017 17:10
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It's F-8 Crusaders, the last US fighter built around its guns.
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MikeCrotch posted:Fit the carbine with a cylinder gap like on a revolver Doesn't even have to be a carbine. (Can't find the tumblr post that had something like twelve different revolving rifles featured.)
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Quinntan posted:It's F-8 Crusaders, the last US fighter built around its guns. Ok so it's more "last resort" than "endless supply". Thanks for answering my meme-related questions.
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zoux posted:Ok so it's more "last resort" than "endless supply". Thanks for answering my meme-related questions. Not quite. The joke is that the F-8 was the last of the gunfighters, since everything after that was designed to primarily fight using missiles (And in several cases forgoing guns entirely). And since dogfighting with missiles isn't real dogfighting, it logically follows (To F-8 pilots) that, if you're out of F-8s, you're out of fighters. Edit: Also, for anyone who has no idea what we're talking about : 
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Jun 27, 2017 18:05
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And in a stroke of irony, most of the F-8s kills in Vietnam were actually done with AIM-9s because the guns were prone to jamming.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:Not quite. The joke is that the F-8 was the last of the gunfighters, since everything after that was designed to primarily fight using missiles (And in several cases forgoing guns entirely). And since dogfighting with missiles isn't real dogfighting, it logically follows (To F-8 pilots) that, if you're out of F-8s, you're out of fighters. Thanks, military memes are esoteric. I know that the Kilroy Was Here thing is often pointed out as a pre-internet meme, do y'all know of other similar things? Did Roman legionnaires draw dicks on everything?
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Jun 27, 2017 18:26
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zoux posted:Did Roman legionnaires draw dicks on everything? Romans drew dicks on everything, period. Google up some graffiti from Pompeii. It's  all the way down.
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BattleMoose posted:They seemed particularly inept and cowardly in operation pedestal. Did they just not notice 2dds towing a tanker into Malta? I disagree Pedestal was inept on the Italians part, they noticed what was going on but rightly feared being drawn into a fleet action against the Royal Navy that they would almost certainly lose. Being able to contest the Med against the Royal Navy was a very important factor in the war especially given the continuing campaign in North Africa, if they lost some or all of their capital ships in this effort they would have essentially handed control over to the RN. Italy wasn’t getting any more BB's any time soon. This along with the fuel shortage and the lack of air cover because that the air force was using its planes for other purposes and the fact they were going up against the RN's multiple aircraft carriers and the airforce on Malta means that an attack with their major fleet units would probably have been a foolhardy effort. Their plan was on paper fairly sound and had stopped or heavily damaged the two previous supply convoys, choosing to attack from air and with light fast naval forces and they did a whole hell of a lot of damage and didn’t risk their valuable battleships doing so. Less than a third of the convoy got through in the end and an aircraft carrier was sunk, they hit the tanker several times, snapping its keel and blowing a huge hole in its side, it was really a little bit of a toss-up that she didn’t sink, sometimes in war you get unlucky.
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zoux posted:Did Roman legionnaires draw dicks on everything? Who do you think invented forum shitposting?
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Argus Zant posted:Who do you think invented forum shitposting? 
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bewbies posted:Wasn't there some sort of council consisting industrialists and movie producers and so on in WWII in the US? I can't find this on google and it is driving me crazy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Activities_Committee_of_the_Motion_Pictures_Industry
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EggsAisle posted:I'm writing a story, a segment of which takes place in... well, think Spanish Civil War or WW2 as far as technology/society goes. It's complicated. Two pertinent questions: Even a black powder gun wouldn't cause the smoke cloud to hit you in the face unless you were firing against something like a huge fan blowing straight at you. You'd more likely suffer that from something like a case failure on a semi-auto, where the casing ruptures in the chamber and some of the gas comes out the breech end. What he would feel is the muzzle blast. Even with relatively small handguns, you can feel it when you shoot indoors. I shot a SIG-Sauer P938 a little over a week ago and 9x19mm out of a 3.9 inch barrel had a muzzle blast that was like being slapped in the face in that little booth.
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chitoryu12 posted:Even a black powder gun wouldn't cause the smoke cloud to hit you in the face unless you were firing against something like a huge fan blowing straight at you. You'd more likely suffer that from something like a case failure on a semi-auto, where the casing ruptures in the chamber and some of the gas comes out the breech end. You can get gas blow back like that with case ruptures on bolt actions as well. I had a split case head firing Yugo surplus ('53 manufacture - a known wonky year) out of a K98k and got to experience how the bolt is designed to vent gasses away from your eyes if that happens. It wasn't a big cloud of smoke so much as a blast of searing hot gas over my forehead. I ended up with what looked like a mild sunburn over my right eyebrow. Bolt was dirty as FUUUUCK too, which was a pain in the rear end as I then had to detail clean pretty much everything to avoid rust.
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zoux posted:Thanks, military memes are esoteric. It's not a meme; it was the group identity and slogan of the F-8 pilots as a cohort. They were aware of their status as last of a breed even as they were asked to do poo poo like start the Top Gun school ("Hey, all our hotshot F-4 dudes keep getting blown up all the time because no one thought to teach them how to dogfight, can you help them not die?").
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chitoryu12 posted:Even a black powder gun wouldn't cause the smoke cloud to hit you in the face unless you were firing against something like a huge fan blowing straight at you. You'd more likely suffer that from something like a case failure on a semi-auto, where the casing ruptures in the chamber and some of the gas comes out the breech end. Some of the early breechloading blackpowder rifles had problems with completely sealing the chamber and would leave your forearm covered in powder burns. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCjjbDN6PGY
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MrMojok posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Activities_Committee_of_the_Motion_Pictures_Industry It gets a little more complicated than that. The War Activities Committee of the Motion Picture Industry was handling a lot of domestic stuff, and in some ways was acting as a film distributor. Some of the newsreel stuff was produced by them, but a lot of their work was making sure that when the government wanted a film distributed it got out to the theaters and making sure everyone knew Hollywood was on the side of America. Then you have the Office of War Information was was bringing in a lot of international stuff, and also producing short films. The studios themselves also acted independently. And all three groups account for most of the "Victory Shorts" and newsreel footage. But a number of the big, serious directors and Hollywood power players end up working directly with the various branches of the military. In particular John Ford who ends up being a producer for most of the stuff the Navy wanted or needed, and Frank Capra who was doing a similar kind of role for the Army. Capra in particular did some really fascinating stuff with the Why We Fight Series. The Army wanted 50 films and gave him a budget of $450,000 which is not a lot of money. So he takes a lot of Nazi and Italian propaganda and splices it together with narration to deconstruct it and show how horrifying it is. John Ford on the other hand is sent all over the world filming stuff and ends up getting a Purple Heart at Midway. He was on the island filming and got hit with some shrapnel from a bomb. And you have guys like Zanuck traveling around and making MacArthur look like a humble, timid man. If you're looking for a decent entry for Hollywood in this era, Five Came Back is the place to start. The book is more historically minded and focuses more on the history. The documentary series is more film minded and tends to look more at the cinematic aspects of what happened.
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WW2 propaganda cartoons by Nedić's collaborationist government in Serbia. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=As3ujlmiGC8 In order: Meditteranean troop convoy sunk, RIP in pieces Brits and Yankees; lol November 9th; American fleet sunk by superior Japanese airforce; British scrap bridges to get more iron; All of Asia is working together against American-British imperialism under benign Japanese supervision; Lithuania says gently caress YOU SOVIETS; Glorious Serbian people should stand up to the evil Partizans and will not be deceived by Comminternjews like Russians were. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_nTSfWhpS4g Blurry bullshit, mentions how Churchill and Tito are pen pals, ends basically with "Tito very bad and alone and foreign and not a threat to us at all, I swear" my dad fucked around with this message at 12:19 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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DookieSandwich posted:Some of the early breechloading blackpowder rifles had problems with completely sealing the chamber and would leave your forearm covered in powder burns. The Dreyse needle rifle as well, which also had the added problem of putting the primer at the base of the bullet. Somehow nobody thought "Maybe we shouldn't have the firing pin surrounded by exploding gunpowder?"
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chitoryu12 posted:The Dreyse needle rifle as well, which also had the added problem of putting the primer at the base of the bullet. Somehow nobody thought "Maybe we shouldn't have the firing pin surrounded by exploding gunpowder?" That was to provide reliable detonation of the charge though, since these were earlier primers and not as effective. It's not like it was hard to get new firing pins, you just gave every soldier some spares and replaced them as needed. Weren't those also paper cartridges as well?
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MrMojok posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Activities_Committee_of_the_Motion_Pictures_Industry THIS IS IT THANK YOU Also today I learned that there is a bunch of crap in Huntsville named for von Braun to include their big concert hall/sports arena. I'm going to bet that this is the only stuff in America named after a literal nazi.
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my dad posted:WW2 propaganda cartoons by Nedić's collaborationist government in Serbia. lol thanks for posting these, i'm a big fan of propaganda cartoons Hogge Wild fucked around with this message at 14:03 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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I remember watching an old black and white movie, plot was about two businessmen and a girl in a love triangle, it gets resolved, fade to black. Then fade back in and theres a blatantly tacked-on scene of the two guys shaking hands and talking about how it's time to put the past behind them and work together to convert the business to wartime production. THE END-BUY WAR BONDS
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That's amazing. I'm sure it could improve some modern shows as well.
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P-Mack posted:I remember watching an old black and white movie, plot was about two businessmen and a girl in a love triangle, it gets resolved, fade to black. Then fade back in and theres a blatantly tacked-on scene of the two guys shaking hands and talking about how it's time to put the past behind them and work together to convert the business to wartime production. THE END-BUY WAR BONDS That's kinda the plot of Casablanca...
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"Louis, I think this is the beginning of a beautiful business venture."
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The best ones are at the end of cartoons where daffy duck and bugs finish loving with elmer fudd and then apropos nothing one of them puts on an uncle sam outfit to hawk war bonds.
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Crossposting from TFR as I figure some people here will be interested. I think TFR just bought 25 of the things in the past hour.MomJeans420 posted:I just found out little crossbows that shoot toothpicks exist, but parents are upset about them so all the listings have been removed from amazon. I couldn't find them on Ali Express, maybe I need a better search term, but I finally found them on ebay:
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Cyrano4747 posted:Crossposting from TFR as I figure some people here will be interested. I think TFR just bought 25 of the things in the past hour.
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Cyrano4747 posted:Crossposting from TFR as I figure some people here will be interested. I think TFR just bought 25 of the things in the past hour. I stumbled across these things and sent the article to my friends, saying these were the new fidget spinners HEY GAIL posted:a perfect companion to this If you scroll down in this link, you can see a picture of a box diorama someone made of the night watch Speaking of the Italian AF, they did very well vs. the fleet air arm during Malta resupply missions. Basically even with British aircraft carriers, the Italians could stage enough fighters and bombers to neutralize the air defenses by overwhelming them. While I did return that book on the Italian navy, I can post one more thing about them: that Italian Forces scored such a succsess in 1942 that Churchill intentionally left mention of it our of his memoirs. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Agreement The other thing that book mentioned is how suprisingly ruthless the British were toward their own POWs. He gives an example where ULTRA identified a cargo ship sailing from Tripoli to Italiy carring a number of POWs, (I forget the number, several hundred at least.) The British sank the ship in question anyway, as damaging Italian shipping was deemed more important than the lives of the POWs.
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