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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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Willninho posted:Are we sure Melo on a bad team is really helping the Knicks win more games? Probably not but I just want to see the team built and run through KP.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:36
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Willninho posted:Are we sure Melo on a bad team is really helping the Knicks win more games? Yes Melo is still a good enough player to have a crazy game and win a game they would be better to lose.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:37
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He's also selfish and lazy enough to ruin any chance of winning a game late in the 4th by hero balling terrible long contested jumpers instead of running the play that's called.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:38
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MourningView posted:why do you care about James Dolan saving money? the Knicks have a contract with Carmelo why should they substantially perform their end, giving him money, and he doesn't fulfill his end, playing basketball for the Knicks when the Knicks try to trade Carmelo it's "well there's a contract, if you don't like Carmelo using his no-trade clause don't agree to the deal" but if the Knicks expect Carmelo to see out that same contract apparently it's oppression and he should just be gifted the remainder of his contract to go away
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Jun 28, 2017 15:39
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Spacebump posted:Bad contracts and a late first keeps them bad enough to get another lotto pick. With a lotto pick and late first they might be able to move up a spot or two. Or draft a good/decent player in the late first. That's the preferable option but I don't think Melo will ever waive his nt clause. Maybe . Late firsts didn't seem too valuable this year . I'd rather just not take contracts back and buy him out
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Jun 28, 2017 15:39
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Dexo posted:Yes Melo is still a good enough player to have a crazy game and win a game they would be better to lose. Same can be said for Ndour, right Evan? Sorry. low blow
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Jun 28, 2017 15:40
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mcmagic posted:Good thing the Knicks didn't just draft a low ceiling player with their lottery pick just because he fit into the triangle.... lol You might rather have Dennis Smith Jr. but I don't know that I'd call Frank low-ceiling
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Jun 28, 2017 15:40
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I still can't believe they let Phil make the draft pick...
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Jun 28, 2017 15:41
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ragle posted:the Knicks have a contract with Carmelo Eh. He is totally willing to stay in NY the rest of his contract. He has literally stated as much. Its the organization that wants him gone. If the Org wants him gone then its on them to make a deal with Melo that he deems is sufficient to tear up the contract and leave the team he wants to stay with.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:42
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Hopefully with Phil riding off into the Montana sunset we never have to hear about the Triangle ever again.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:42
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mcmagic posted:I still can't believe they let Phil make the draft pick... Luckily the draft pick was probably fine. Might have some Dennis Smith-sized pangs in a few years but Frank's no slouch
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Jun 28, 2017 15:43
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ragle posted:the Knicks have a contract with Carmelo Carmelo has expressed time and time again that his preferred outcome is to stay in New York with his family and play basketball for the Knicks. The Buyout talks are because he wants to stay in New York and they don't want him to Melo is not some money grabbing, hand rubbing dude who is demanding to be bought out. He's a dude with a NTC saying "Hey if you want me gone so much then buy me out". The situation you are describing literally doesn't exist. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 15:46 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 15:43
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Dolan should hire Lavar Ball to replace Phil. It'd at least be more entertaining.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:45
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Cool Buff Man posted:Luckily the draft pick was probably fine. Might have some Dennis Smith-sized pangs in a few years but Frank's no slouch Conversely DSJ is lucky as hell he went to Dallas instead of NY
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Jun 28, 2017 15:47
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Paul Zuvella posted:B-b-b-b-b-but my precious Billionaire's money!!!! A buyout reduces the cap hit, which they can use on overpaying other players.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:48
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Frankie Nicotine will be a star!!!!!
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Jun 28, 2017 15:49
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Lockback posted:A buyout reduces the cap hit, which they can use on overpaying other players.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:50
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Paul Zuvella posted:Frankie Nicotine will be a star!!!!! Three cheers for French Frank!
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Jun 28, 2017 15:50
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Dexo posted:No it doesn't. Yeah, if buyouts reduced cap hits you would see waaaay more people being bought out. e: YOU SNIPED ME
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Jun 28, 2017 15:51
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RCarr posted:He's also selfish and lazy enough to ruin any chance of winning a game late in the 4th by hero balling terrible long contested jumpers instead of running the play that's called. Who knew Phil Jackson posted hear
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Jun 28, 2017 15:53
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Dexo posted:No it doesn't. Yes it does. http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q67 You still owe them what you still pay them, but if you agree on reducing the salary by 10 million or whatever, you get that back. Both sides have to agree. It's an exception to the "renegotiate lower" rule. Amare Stoudamire and Larry Sanders agreed to buyouts the teams offered because of the cap/tax considerations. Article here with specific exmaples: https://moorebasketball.com/2016/01/19/how-it-works-the-waiver-procedure-and-contract-buyouts/ quote:The Knicks and Stoudemire agreed to a buyout, allowing the Knicks to waive Stoudemire and his remaining salary, negotiating the compensation protection down by $2,500,000, thereby owing him only $20,910, 988.[9] As a result, the Knicks cut their luxury tax bill almost in half, paying $8,219,912.50 in tax instead of $14,666,903.75.[10] Stoudemire then signed with the Dallas Mavericks, a team that had one of the best starts of the 2014-15 season. Paul Zuvella posted:Yeah, if buyouts reduced cap hits you would see waaaay more people being bought out. You don't see it because it involves and NBA player agreeing to make less money than they are owed. It's pretty rare for people to take paycuts in their jobs voluntarily.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:54
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Paul Zuvella posted:Yeah, if buyouts reduced cap hits you would see waaaay more people being bought out. It's weird, because Melo's last year is an option year. which has some weird 50% rule or some nonsense. So they might end up getting some cap relief if they buy him out.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:54
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Yeah but at most you will get melo to leave maybe 10% on the table . Imho. I guess it's something .
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Jun 28, 2017 15:55
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euphronius posted:Yeah but at most you will get melo to leave maybe 10% on the table . Imho. Right, but paying him 90% and having him gone is better than paying him 100% if your just going to bench him. I think the Knicks are pretty dumb for getting themselves into this situation at all.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:57
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Lockback posted:Right, but paying him 90% and having him gone is better than paying him 100% if your just going to bench him. but but I hate Melo and would rather be petty and vindictive, and likely piss off the players union.
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Jun 28, 2017 15:59
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Paul Zuvella posted:Carmelo has expressed time and time again that his preferred outcome is to stay in New York with his family and play basketball for the Knicks. melos been secretly in a holdout for well over 5 years, it was a risky move to give a new contract to a man who only exists in the cyberworld but i think it pays off
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Jun 28, 2017 16:00
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Very rude of Carmelo to hold a gun to James Dolan's head and force him to sign a contract with a NTC in it, that should not be allowed under the CBA imo
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Jun 28, 2017 16:00
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https://twitter.com/MereGorman/status/880071800901824512 Goddamn Ojeleye has some big calves, no Covington sticks here
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Jun 28, 2017 16:00
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MourningView posted:Very rude of Carmelo to hold a gun to James Dolan's head and force him to sign a contract with a NTC in it, that should not be allowed under the CBA imo If you are deadset on running the 90s version of the Triangle, Carmelo seems like a really good choice for a wing player. The fact that they had him and a big who can do so many things and still couldn't get it to work is pretty funny, actually.
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Jun 28, 2017 16:03
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Come on man. That team was designed to fail. You can say what you want about Phil's media stuff, but he came to tank and he did a great job of tanking while still putting enough names on the court to keep the money coming. Like lockback? Said yesterday, the warriors play a sort of hybrid triangle style, there's no reason to arbitrarily limit the triangle unless you're trying to lose, unless you're purposefully giving away points. Phil did a good job of losing but not good enough. Hayleigh Baldwin should be the Knicks next GMKibner posted:Lost in the hubbub about PJaxxxxxxxxxxxxxx but, from what I was reading throughout the season is that Justin is a quality bench 3&D player. He is 28, though. His early bird salary (I have no idea what this means) with the Knicks is 7.8M and, from what I understand, they would like to keep him. Justin Holiday is a below starter caliber offensive player and a solid defensive player, the main impetus to signing him is uniting, he, Jrue, and their younger brother who plays for UCLA, and having the NBA's first set of three brothers on one team Dejan Bimble fucked around with this message at 16:06 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 16:04
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MourningView posted:Very rude of Carmelo to hold a gun to James Dolan's head and force him to sign a contract with a NTC in it, that should not be allowed under the CBA imo In Dolan's defense, It wouldn't be surprising if Phil was tripping on peyote when Melo and his agent were negotiating with him, and they managed to sneak the NTC while Phil was dreaming of Montana
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Jun 28, 2017 16:05
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MourningView posted:Very rude of Carmelo to hold a gun to James Dolan's head and force him to sign a contract with a NTC in it, that should not be allowed under the CBA imo Yes, the knicks are idiots. We know this. But starting from today and going forward, they have to at least try to get something for him...
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Jun 28, 2017 16:06
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Cool Buff Man posted:https://twitter.com/MereGorman/status/880071800901824512 Calf talk: I always fear for Otto Porter's legs. He's running around on toothpicks.
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Jun 28, 2017 16:07
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You aren't going to get anything for a guy with a ntc and 50 million dollars on the books who wants to start and has a 30% usage and is 33 and plays no defense and is an ISO hog
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Jun 28, 2017 16:09
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If only the knicks could trade melo to the knicks .
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Jun 28, 2017 16:10
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mcmagic posted:Yes, the knicks are idiots. We know this. But starting from today and going forward, they have to at least try to get something for him... Well they're not gonna so either let him play out his contract or buy him out. He's not being unreasonable by holding them to a contract they willingly signed
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Jun 28, 2017 16:11
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mcmagic posted:Yes, the knicks are idiots. We know this. But starting from today and going forward, they have to at least try to get something for him... That's not how the NBA works. When you want to shed an albatross contract like melo's you either have to take another team's garbage back(which is worse, as you, will likely take back a worse contract than Melo's) or you have to give up an asset in order for a team with cap space to absorb him into their cap space, where they will likely then buy him out.
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Jun 28, 2017 16:11
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Jack's Flow posted:Calf talk: I always fear for Otto Porter's legs. He's running around on toothpicks. Yeah that's true, he also belongs in the Tyson Chandler leg club for men
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Jun 28, 2017 16:12
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Dexo posted:That's not how the NBA works. If you buy him out, he's on the cap anyway. If you have to take back a bad contract to get a few picks along with it, that seems reasonable.
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Jun 28, 2017 16:13
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I would love to know Kobe's thoughts on the Melo/Phil/NYK saga.
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