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rt4 posted:To test your skin color How else would they determine salary? This is the tech industry after all.
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They need video to make sure you're not cheating or getting tips from someone else as you're talking. Never mind that there's tons of software to redirect phonecalls around and such and that they could communicate off-camera or on the same screen. Also, I've seen companies do this to skip in-person interview formalities more and to screen better for people that are complete and utter neckbeards.
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Jun 23, 2017 18:03
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edit: eh nvm
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Jun 24, 2017 00:35
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Sinten posted:edit: eh nvm Just talk to the guy. What's the worse he says? No? Then you're bailing anyway.
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Jun 24, 2017 01:43
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I wonder if I'm being too picky by avoiding front-end positions/full-stack positions with a front-end component. I've had middling to negative experiences with front-end (Angular, React-Redux) that aren't necessarily the fault of the technologies themselves, but the grand majority of recruiters around here are looking for front-end people (lots of React and Angular). I want to do back-end work since that seems like a smarter and better career progression for me, but I'm seeing less and less demand for back-end in my area.  I'm not sure whether I'm in the wrong market, being unrealistic with my options, or just looking in the wrong places.
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Jun 27, 2017 15:13
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Most positions want Purple Squirrels. Take a few interviews with attractive Full Stack positions and ask / dig into the work load. I've done more than a couple that just wanted awareness of Angular / React / Vue (for good reasons).
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Jun 27, 2017 15:30
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This is a serious post - or as serious as one can get on an internet comedy forum. I'm burnt out as hell and opening my editor to work on code makes me feel physically sick to my stomach. What do I do?
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Jun 27, 2017 16:59
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Urit posted:This is a serious post - or as serious as one can get on an internet comedy forum. Vacation.
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Jun 27, 2017 17:05
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Pollyanna posted:I wonder if I'm being too picky by avoiding front-end positions/full-stack positions with a front-end component. I've had middling to negative experiences with front-end (Angular, React-Redux) that aren't necessarily the fault of the technologies themselves, but the grand majority of recruiters around here are looking for front-end people (lots of React and Angular). I want to do back-end work since that seems like a smarter and better career progression for me, but I'm seeing less and less demand for back-end in my area. Stop being so goddamn unbelievably schizophrenic. This is a large industry with a whole lot of stuff you can do. Try something out and if you like it, keep doing it. If you don't like it, try to avoid it. It's pretty simple, really.
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Jun 27, 2017 17:05
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Pollyanna posted:I wonder if I'm being too picky by avoiding front-end positions/full-stack positions with a front-end component. I've had middling to negative experiences with front-end (Angular, React-Redux) that aren't necessarily the fault of the technologies themselves, but the grand majority of recruiters around here are looking for front-end people (lots of React and Angular). I want to do back-end work since that seems like a smarter and better career progression for me, but I'm seeing less and less demand for back-end in my area. The answer to your dilemma is that doing front-end sucks at places that suck at doing front-end. Unfortunately, that's most of them because the front-end ecosystem is full of idiots reinventing wheels trying to put a nice interface over a bundle of APIs of, let's say, varying quality and usefulness. Doing back-end sucks at places that suck at doing back-end, too, but there are more pits of success for back-end, so you'll find poo poo places a little less often. Maybe flip this thing on its head and try finding a company that makes/does something you find inherently interesting and not giving a poo poo about their stack? You're probably gonna be a junior anywhere, so try prioritizing baseline excitement over nebulous career goals that your real life outside of work is going to override, anyway, in all likelihood. Munkeymon fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 17:19
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Urit posted:This is a serious post - or as serious as one can get on an internet comedy forum.
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Jun 27, 2017 17:27
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Pollyanna posted:I wonder if I'm being too picky by avoiding front-end positions/full-stack positions with a front-end component. I've had middling to negative experiences with front-end (Angular, React-Redux) that aren't necessarily the fault of the technologies themselves, but the grand majority of recruiters around here are looking for front-end people (lots of React and Angular). I want to do back-end work since that seems like a smarter and better career progression for me, but I'm seeing less and less demand for back-end in my area. I think you are. Your problem really is not with the technology, it's with the places you've worked at. By all means, focus on backend stuff if that makes you happier, but you will ALSO be happier doing front-end work at a better company. You shouldn't be so specific on where your happiness comes from, you just want more. Sure, maybe the perfect spot for you is embedded work, but maybe that's not an option available to you right now. Pick something from the options available that will make you happier. This will in all likelihood lead to better options available to you in the future. Repeat. Urit posted:This is a serious post - or as serious as one can get on an internet comedy forum. Same to you, is this really about the code editor, or who you are opening that editor for? Could you imagine yourself being happy doing carpentry for your current boss, or writing code for yourself? Figure out that first. Edit: As an aside, just had a recruiter try to beat salary info out of me, claiming they would keep it confidential, but wanted to have an 'open relationship' with me and tried to make it sound like I was a jerk for not trusting them enough. Also claimed clients don't like to feel 'blindsided' by their own low offers or some such bullshit. Must have said "open" 4 times in the sentence where they dropped it. Ugh. Skandranon fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 17:28
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Urit posted:This is a serious post - or as serious as one can get on an internet comedy forum. Vacation is a given. What's also crucial is to take time to take care of your physical body : go to the gym or yoga class or whatever fit your boat. A tired body is a mind at peace. And take care of your spiritual mind too, ever tried meditation ?
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Jun 27, 2017 18:24
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Definitely talk to a mental health professional if you think these feelings are part of a larger depression problem. But it might help to talk to a counselor even if you don't.
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Jun 27, 2017 18:27
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I've taken a bunch of vacation and even taken 4 months off to try to recuperate once, it didn't help. But yeah, it's not coding itself, but the people and the work I'm doing that's making me feel lovely, and every job seems to be exactly the same template of awfulness, so I'm not sure how to break the cycle.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:23
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Urit posted:I've taken a bunch of vacation and even taken 4 months off for giggles once, it didn't help. But yeah, it's not coding itself, but the people and the work I'm doing that's making me feel lovely, and every job seems to be exactly the same template of awfulness, so I'm not sure how to break the cycle. "Keep rolling the dice until you find a job with people that don't suck" seems to be the current technique.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:25
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Urit posted:This is a serious post - or as serious as one can get on an internet comedy forum. Disgust is a very strong emotion, like fear or rage, and getting a physical symptom of disgust from the tool you use to make a living isn't a good thing. Find a therapist you trust and talk to them.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:29
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Without getting too E/N, I've felt similarly to you. A week off to kickstart my job search last year really helped, but it also made me a little sad in that studying algos and all things I found super interesting at once was too good compared to the typical workday/week and I was pretty bummed to go back. Management is the issue in my situations and I straight up have no idea how to find somewhere that I'll be doing interesting work lead by competent managers that know how to delegate tasks and communicate effectively while balancing being hands on and off.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:39
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Urit posted:I've taken a bunch of vacation and even taken 4 months off to try to recuperate once, it didn't help. But yeah, it's not coding itself, but the people and the work I'm doing that's making me feel lovely, and every job seems to be exactly the same template of awfulness, so I'm not sure how to break the cycle. Then your problem is simple, find a new job. Even if you move laterally, or even take a pay cut, it is probably worth it so you don't hate your life and yourself. Then, if you are happier in 6 months, maybe you have more strength to make another move upwards.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:55
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Burn-out comes in different forms and if it persists long enough that switching jobs to a fairly decent place doesn't fix things for you, then you may be needing to do more than just switching jobs. You may need to change careerpaths (a guy I know got a CS degree, coded, hated it, became a bartender, much happier) or look for things outside work primarily. Hell, some people are mostly in miserable relationships that they misinterpret as a job problem.
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Jun 27, 2017 20:00
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I really like coding and problem solving in general and basically everything I've done related to this field, but I really despise (and struggle quite deeply with) the astronomically slow pace that work is specced and delegated at. It's been the major issue at my last two jobs.
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Jun 27, 2017 20:07
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Good Will Hrunting posted:I really like coding and problem solving in general and basically everything I've done related to this field, but I really despise (and struggle quite deeply with) the astronomically slow pace that work is specced and delegated at. It's been the major issue at my last two jobs.  Use the extra time for self study. I've been reading the FreeBSD book and can recommend it.
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Jun 27, 2017 20:10
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leper khan posted:
Yeah I do some of that! It's cool. I've learned a lot about the inner workings and performance of Java logging frameworks and Spark. But at the same time I find it really easy to get burnt out and distracted and discouraged when I don't have like, medium/large features to implement. Nothing's really come close to my enjoyment of school, particularly project heavy curriculums with some guidance from a teacher. My therapist is constantly suggesting academia/research and thinks I'd make a good professor. Good Will Hrunting fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 20:12
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Good Will Hrunting posted:I really like coding and problem solving in general and basically everything I've done related to this field, but I really despise (and struggle quite deeply with) the astronomically slow pace that work is specced and delegated at. It's been the major issue at my last two jobs. Maybe you know this, but this is something you could avoid at the right company.
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sarehu posted:Maybe you know this, but this is something you could avoid at the right company. Well, yeah, of course. But I'm 0/1.5 (my last job started good and labored intensely as we grew) so I'm either doing something wrong or just have had bad luck  It's legit baffling that I get paid a pretty okay amount over $100k to do maybe 20 hours of work a week. Not only that but constantly say "Okay, what do we want to do/where do we want to go wrt {feature, issue, loophole, lack of spec, etc}" and just get absolutely no concrete answer, leaving me to guess incessantly.
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Work at a startup that's at the scale where you decide what you're working on and there's no delegation involved. It's not necessarily better, but it sounds like you would benefit from seeing the other extreme.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:39
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Well, that was the .5 I liked that I mentioned above. They said "write a new API to replace our legacy system" and I rolled with it and crushed it. I did literally everything myself down to deployment. And then I stagnated there for a year because they way over-hired for that team and nothing got done.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:47
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Good Will Hrunting posted:Well, that was the .5 I liked that I mentioned above. They said "write a new API to replace our legacy system" and I rolled with it and crushed it. I did literally everything myself down to deployment. And then I stagnated there for a year because they way over-hired for that team and nothing got done. This is honestly confusing to me. Can you not scope out work for yourself? Companies never lack work as there's always somewhere you can improve or grow.
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Jun 28, 2017 00:00
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Currently, I'm building a data processing pipeline for ad impressions that will process streaming events with a few layers of other things being done. So, some things yes I can (and have) specced out myself. It was like pulling teeth and being a drat detective to get clarification on certain decisions though. Other things, not so much.
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Pollyanna posted:I wonder if I'm being too picky by avoiding front-end positions/full-stack positions with a front-end component. I've had middling to negative experiences with front-end (Angular, React-Redux) that aren't necessarily the fault of the technologies themselves, but the grand majority of recruiters around here are looking for front-end people (lots of React and Angular). I want to do back-end work since that seems like a smarter and better career progression for me, but I'm seeing less and less demand for back-end in my area. You're closing a door because an rear end in a top hat walked through it. It's understandable that you're closing it because what if you run into the rear end in a top hat again, but it's not the door's fault and if there aren't a large number of other open doors, you're making your life materially harder. And yes, if you open the door again and walk through it, you still might run in to an rear end in a top hat because there are a lot of assholes out there. On a more literal, technical level: the actual division between frontend and backend is blurring, and a lot of that is on React and patterns like it moving things away from strict MVC and towards building infrastructure to help co-locate data and presentation. IMO you need to open that door back up, keep your eyes open, and learn to identify and deal with the bad people/corporate shittiness (by deal with" I don't mean take people's poo poo, I mean respond productively, i.e. some balance of avoidance, confrontation, or ratting to HR). To be blunt I think that avoiding front-end/full-stack is just putting a cap on your potential and if you're being upfront about this to recruiters you may be guaranteeing the companies who help their engineers put on multiple hats don't hire you. Urit posted:This is a serious post - or as serious as one can get on an internet comedy forum. IMO you need to not work for a while, and not just not work, but not feel like you're obligated to come back. I don't know what form that will take for you; for me it involved going to Japan and completely resetting my brain away from my stressors. Even so, I had a year-long depression and it wasn't actually until this year (that was four and a half years ago) that I really noticed how I was more mentally stable than back then. You don't need to set yourself on fire to keep your company warm. If you're suffering, then identify the cause of the suffering, and just focus yourself on ridding yourself of it, whether that means quitting or changing teams or whatever. Doctor w-rw-rw- fucked around with this message at 00:20 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 00:17
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asur posted:Companies never lack work as there's always somewhere you can improve or grow.
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JawnV6 posted:I don't think this is true at all. That should say something, as in there is always work that could be done.
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I've been looking for a better position out of my current startup job, which pays me alright and doesn't bother me much but won't grow into anything anytime soon, to some other better paying gig; as such, a recent offer popped up for a online gambling company. What's making me hesitant is a) they work mainly with their own internal framework, which seems a double edged sword deal and b) more importantly, I kinda don't like gambling, I don't want it outlawed and even went to a casino once or twice buuuuut... So I'm wondering if I should let this offer pass by, even if it they do pay me more than my current job. Honest Thief fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Jun 28, 2017 |
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Jun 28, 2017 10:22
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First concern is kind of meaningless, there are good reasons to DIY sometimes. Could go either way. You should pass though. Second concern is totally valid. Don't work somewhere you have moral or practical qualms with, however small. Rarely is that worth the money in the end.
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Agreed. More jobs will turn up, so there's no reason to work for a company whose mission you don't agree with. That's the kind of thing that can contribute to burnout.
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Skandranon posted:Edit: As an aside, just had a recruiter try to beat salary info out of me, claiming they would keep it confidential, but wanted to have an 'open relationship' with me and tried to make it sound like I was a jerk for not trusting them enough. Kinky 
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Agreed. More jobs will turn up, so there's no reason to work for a company whose mission you don't agree with. That's the kind of thing that can contribute to burnout. Yep. I did this for way too long in my last job and have promised myself not to let it happen again.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Agreed. More jobs will turn up, so there's no reason to work for a company whose mission you don't agree with. That's the kind of thing that can contribute to burnout. The opposite of this is not true though. Don't fall into the trap of thinking you have to find a job saving kittens every day, or your life will be devoid of meaning. There is lots of meaning to be mined from seemingly mundane tasks. Just don't do something that actively disgusts you.
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Doctor w-rw-rw- posted:This was me a couple of years ago. Literally opening Eclipse made me sick. I think that's it - when I'm on vacation or when I was taking a few months off, a lot of my time was consumed by work-type stuff and I don't really stop thinking about it. I also hate what the company I'm working for is doing (personal information groping) and I've quit companies in the past that got too much into that space, so it feels disgusting to contribute to their code anyway. Ah well, guess it's time to bail!
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Urit posted:I think that's it - when I'm on vacation or when I was taking a few months off, a lot of my time was consumed by work-type stuff and I don't really stop thinking about it. I also hate what the company I'm working for is doing (personal information groping) and I've quit companies in the past that got too much into that space, so it feels disgusting to contribute to their code anyway. Ah well, guess it's time to bail! One other thing that other people have hinted at is depression. I feel it's worth saying that sometimes burnout leads to depression, but sometimes depression mimics burnout. Fortunately I got a handle on it so I can see it coming, but as an example if I drop my meds further than I'm on right now I get a resurgence of burnout-like symptoms; hating my work, angry at colleagues, strong desire to chuck it all in and become a crab fisherman or whatever. Symptoms which don't go away even with long breaks. Fill in this thing and see your doctor if you get more than a 15: http://www.nhs.uk/Tools/Pages/depression.aspx
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