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JBP posted:The ones that form governments. Well I walked in to that one I guess but you get my point. And given that both labour and liberals have torn their own governments apart however many times in the past 10 years that's debatable anyway. Sex party came kind of close to credibility but then we tore them down because of links to lobbyists etc, Dying with Dignity did OK for a single issue party but I can't see them any more either (actually they've become the VEP). HEMP are still going after nearly 25 years. I remember you guys blasted the Secular Party for not being communist enough on their economics as well. I don't think anyone expects the Socialist Alliance to actually get anywhere. Anyone know anything about the Australian Progressives? Basically if you want to get a platform up, you run as an independent senator, right? Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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NPR Journalizard posted:And then support draconian state sponsored surveillance and tropical rape death camps am I rite Yes, that is the measure of success in democratic politics, NPR Journalizard. Hobo Erotica posted:Basically if you want to get a platform up, you run as an independent senator, right? Yeah, single issue independent/micro party senators are pretty successful imo.
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Aesculus posted:Anidav taking full advantage of the situation: Waiting for Qldleft.com
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Urcher posted:That claim is arguably correct. Cyclists take up less space than drivers, but far more than a bus or tram at full capacity. It glosses over the energy efficiency and cycling being the most space efficient of the personal point to point transport options. Also that cyclists cause essentially no damage to the road, unlike buses (and especially trucks).
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It drives me loving nuts when hunners send in "make cyclists pay rego" letters when registration is almost entirely used to maintain roads you are damaging in your '99 VL.
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Did they even make a VL in '99? I don't know because I hate Australia.
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JBP posted:It drives me loving nuts when hunners send in "make cyclists pay rego" letters when registration is almost entirely used to maintain roads you are damaging in your '99 VL. So why is it unreasonable for cyclists to pay rego that goes to the roads, would also help add weight to requests to make roads more cyclists friendly?
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JBP posted:It drives me loving nuts when hunners send in "make cyclists pay rego" letters when registration is almost entirely used to maintain roads you are damaging in your '99 VL. lol look at this noob here, the VT was the model for the year 1999. God I hope the mods probate you for that.
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Urcher posted:Cyclists take up less space than drivers, but far more than a bus or tram at full capacity. Right, but what percentage of buses and trams and trains are actually at full capacity? That should be the metric, right? Assuming that space actually is a really important issue of course, and that bikes are really loving it up, when they are only slightly bigger than an actual human
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Former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman is calling on Malcolm Turnbull to resign as prime minister for the good of the Liberal Party. Mr Newman, who is now a political commentator for Sky News and sits on the boards of various companies, said the base of the party has turned against Mr Turnbull and he needs to put the party first. "He is dividing the Liberal Party, there's a lot of attention on (Tony) Abbott giving these speeches, but the person who is really dividing the Liberal Party is actually Malcolm Turnbull," Mr Newman told ABC Radio. "The base of the Liberal Party are desperately unhappy and that's reflected in the polling." Recent polling has the federal coalition on 36 per cent of the primary vote, and Mr Newman says there is no way for Mr Turnbull to turn that around. While he shied away from naming a potential successor, Mr Newman had harsh words for federal frontbencher Christopher Pyne, whom he labelled a "toffee-nosed schoolboy". "He's a schemer, he's not focused on doing the right thing, he thinks he's better than he is ... frankly he a walking talking caricature of a Tory toff." The former premier also suggested former PM Tony Abbott should resign, but said his ongoing criticisms of the party were "technically right". Mr Newman, who was himself ousted from power in one of the largest electoral defeats in Queensland's history, said he considered standing aside when he saw his government struggling in the polls, but the idea was vetoed by LNP Queensland President Bruce McIver.
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Scarecow posted:So why is it unreasonable for cyclists to pay rego that goes to the roads, would also help add weight to requests to make roads more cyclists friendly? Because I would stop riding my bike to work if they made me pay to ride a loving zero pollution, congestion reducing, healthcare system sparing bicycle.
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/\/\ well hey would you look at that.Scarecow posted:So why is it unreasonable for cyclists to pay rego that goes to the roads, would also help add weight to requests to make roads more cyclists friendly? Because it disincentives people from cycling, and society is better if more people cycle. And they already pay tax
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I would buy an F100 and fill it with two tonne of bricks, bore out the engine so the fuel efficiency is hosed, pull off the muffler and fill it with the shittiest diesel available.
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thatbastardken posted:the opposite, actually.  thatbastardken posted:let's not get ahead of ourselves. one public spat over ideology is hardly a failed party. Scarecow posted:So why is it unreasonable for cyclists to pay rego that goes to the roads, would also help add weight to requests to make roads more cyclists friendly? Speaking of which if trucks were charged rego based on the damage they do to roads each truck would cost around $1 000 000 a year to register. Passenger car drivers are subsidising road transport at a very high rate.
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Can't wait for the working class to be replaced by automation so I don't have to listen to their poo poo ever again honestly.
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JBP posted:It drives me loving nuts when hunners send in "make cyclists pay rego" letters when registration is almost entirely used to maintain roads you are damaging in your '99 VL. Umm they stopped making the VL in 1988 lol.
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I thought a VL was a type of car that poor people drive. I'm so out of touch. e: Would a car from 1988 even work any more?
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Buy 'em up now. The VL turbo will be the be the XY GT of the 2030s.
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Recoome posted:Wait sorry did Rhiannon disagree or was she bound by the NSW Greens decision. I'm really confused now They're keeping tight lipped so this is speculation but this is what seems most logical: At the conference six weeks ago Lee and the NSW brass decided they'd oppose Gonski 2 and would fight tooth and nail against it. They came up with a plan that if the Greens didn't change then just before the end they'd bind Lee to give her plausible deniability and a reason to unilaterally oppose any negotiations. At worst they expected a censure or "we'll (NSW Greens membership) be blamed and it'll blow over because they need the money". The didn't take into account the federal Greens putting their foot down over their games and punishing Lee while at the same time saying they'll lift it if the NSW Greens stop being obstructionist. Hence all the attempts to say Blame Us Not Lee because they though their plan would protect Lee. This is what happens when Socialist Alternative tries to play uni politic tactics in actual government. Edit: to explain why Lee is punished so hard for this is that for the five weeks up until the vote, including negotiations, she knew she was to be bound but didn't tell the feds and obstructed that she knew what was going to happen hence all the claims of deceit and bad faith in negotiations Lid fucked around with this message at 03:07 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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I don't see how the party room have a leg to stand on in this. They're asking a senator to deliberately and knowingly vote against the wishes of her party based on some half baked political calculus. Who wants to be a member of a party like that?
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It's dangerous for their constituents too because it sends the message that the MPs can do what they like regardless of party policy.
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They should just say this: "As the third party, we occupy a unique and important position in politics. Sometimes we have to negotiate with the government, sometimes we stand absolutely opposed. Naturally, this dynamic can create tensions within the party, depending on what people see as the most appropriate approach at the time. We welcome these differences, and think they make us stronger as a party. We are not going to get torn apart over whether or not all of our senators in all of our states agree with all of our policies. Gonski 2.0 got through, we think that’s good, Rhiannon (and/or NSW) disagrees, and that’s fine, because as a party we are strong enough to be able to handle differing opinions. Politics is big and complicated and we are not going to expect a room full of people as bright and passionate as our members to agree on everything all the time. We are committed to fighting for a fair and progressive society in a mature fashion [insert corbyn / sanders platform] etc etc etc."
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open24hours posted:I don't see how the party room have a leg to stand on in this. They're asking a senator to deliberately and knowingly vote against the wishes of her party based on some half baked political calculus. Who wants to be a member of a party like that? Its a question of hats - in the state givernment voting with the interests of constituency in the state makes sense, at the federal level of parties its expected that parties are parties. Look at PUP where every member essentially became independent after getting voted in. When people in states vote for the Greens the argument is they're voting for a national Greens bloc party. NSW is the exception to this in the party membership but its argued that greens voters not in the party would be expecting the Greens senator to be one with the party.
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JBP posted:I thought a VL was a type of car that poor people drive. I'm so out of touch. Mate, cars from the loving 40s still work.
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Either way its irrelevant as Lee could've told them six weeks ago she was going to vote against any deal on conscience grounds and this would have been avoided. It wasn't the vote that's the issue or why the feds are so pissed, it's the cover up that cost them.
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PUP split because the party had no unifying cause. Differences of opinion between state parties are inevitable and the Greens should acknowledge that and work within that framework, rather than trying to consolidate power in the federal party room.
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JBP posted:Yes, that is the measure of success in democratic politics, NPR Journalizard. It really isn't. "We have the balance of power so you need to pass law X if you want us to vote for law Y" "Heh, you're not in government like we are.  "
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Hobo Erotica posted:They should just say this: "As the third party, we occupy a unique and time bound position in politics that is ultimately unsustainable" Laserface posted:Mate, cars from the loving 40s still work. 
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open24hours posted:PUP split because the party had no unifying cause. It does exist, all you need to do is notify them you're voting against it on conscience grounds. It's in the framework.
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Starshark posted:It really isn't. "We have the balance of power so you need to pass law X if you want us to vote for law Y" Tell that to Sir Joh. It's also hosed up and lovely that ~10% of voters can potentially hold the vast majority to ransom.
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Starshark posted:It really isn't. "We have the balance of power so you need to pass law X if you want us to vote for law Y" how many ministers do you have jfc
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Oh hey its the potato No, the OTHER potato Former Queensland Premier Campbell Newman is calling on Malcolm Turnbull to resign as prime minister for the good of the Liberal Party. Mr Newman, who is now a political commentator for Sky News and sits on the boards of various companies, said the base of the party has turned against Mr Turnbull and he needs to put the party first.
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Scarecow posted:So why is it unreasonable for cyclists to pay rego that goes to the roads, would also help add weight to requests to make roads more cyclists friendly? The only thing that would help add weight to the argument that we need more cyclist friendly roads is if you held a gun to the head of the minister for roads. And even then they are so far in the pocket of transurban that they'd take the bullet instead.
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Pell is saying he'll come back to Australia to face the charges. I was honestly expecting him to pull a Skase
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Korgan posted:Pell is saying he'll come back to Australia to face the charges. I was honestly expecting him to pull a Skase I'll believe him when he touches down in Sydney.
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Scarecow posted:So why is it unreasonable for cyclists to pay rego that goes to the roads, would also help add weight to requests to make roads more cyclists friendly? The answer to this is that most of the funding for roads is collected through taxes. Registration is almost entirely insurance and admin fees.
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iajanus posted:I'll believe him when he touches down in Sydney. He was charged by the Victorian police, he'll land in Melbourne if he comes.
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Korgan posted:Pell is saying he'll come back to Australia to face the charges. I was honestly expecting him to pull a Skase "A congenital heart defect has felled Pell moments before he could enter the ring."
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