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Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



what exactly is "pod save america?" ive heard it thrown around as some sort of, i guess, bad dem podcast

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Serf
May 5, 2011


Shear Modulus posted:

what exactly is "pod save america?" ive heard it thrown around as some sort of, i guess, bad dem podcast

you already know what it is

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Frijolero posted:

Reminds me of another quasi-populist neoliberal hack who people think is good only because he was able to "win"

I agree that Bernie would have won

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Shear Modulus posted:

what exactly is "pod save america?" ive heard it thrown around as some sort of, i guess, bad dem podcast

former white house staffer podcast

Subjunctivitis
Oct 12, 2007
Causation or Correlation?
quick question:

For 7 years Republicans have been screaming about "repeal and replace" and then showed up with nothing.

Last and this year, Dems and Hillary were saying "We need to fix what's broken and improve the ACA."

What proposals have any Dems made about fixing and/or improving it?

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Subjunctivitis posted:

quick question:

For 7 years Republicans have been screaming about "repeal and replace" and then showed up with nothing.

Last and this year, Dems and Hillary were saying "We need to fix what's broken and improve the ACA."

What proposals have any Dems made about fixing and/or improving it?

The Yglesias take is: public option with automatic enrollment

Here are some other options --

https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/status/879766948095176705

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

Subjunctivitis posted:

quick question:

For 7 years Republicans have been screaming about "repeal and replace" and then showed up with nothing.

Last and this year, Dems and Hillary were saying "We need to fix what's broken and improve the ACA."

What proposals have any Dems made about fixing and/or improving it?

Here's what Nancy Pelosi had to say about it yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFMYKlLEgHU

:laffo::laffo::laffo:


Basically, uhmm, ACA is good and we need to defend it and umm worry about single payer later...

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007

Squizzle posted:

how about suck my dick gop

how about it

:love:

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
:obama:

ex post facho
Oct 25, 2007
i got a craving for squizposting and i dont care who knows it!!!

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

Shear Modulus posted:

what exactly is "pod save america?" ive heard it thrown around as some sort of, i guess, bad dem podcast

it's a new podcast from the keeping it 1600 mega-libs including obama's ex-speech writer

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



Scent of Worf posted:

it's a new podcast from the keeping it 1600 mega-libs including obama's ex-speech writer

sounds bad

Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Shear Modulus posted:

does shark tank count as a game show

eeeeeeeeeehhhhhhh I guess so, in that it's a Mark Burnett production and there's a rudimentary set of rules that the participants abide by (in that offers for proposals must total at least the amount they seek or they leave with nothing). But... I'm also gonna say that there's nothing going on there that you couldn't find *only* in the confines of a broadcast situation. The average person ain't gonna set up a giant, over-elaborate game of hangman involving a giant, two-ton wheel in their backyard.

Honestly, I'm gonna say it doesn't count as a game show. But I also admit that I am in no way the final arbiter of that kinda thing.

Gene Hackman Fan has issued a correction as of 04:26 on Jun 29, 2017

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Had to repost after remembering how godawful Pelosi is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqJKLxidyYc

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

GalacticAcid posted:

The Yglesias take is: public option with automatic enrollment

Here are some other options --

https://twitter.com/JStein_Vox/status/879766948095176705

right, this is how incrementalism actually works.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
I went to a black lives matter rally / march to protest the Philando Castile verdict like two weekends ago. It started with some speeches in Harlem and became a march all the way to Trump Tower (56th & Sixth).

I'd say there were 250 people marching, give or take 50.

It was mostly BLM-affiliated people and socialist groups - DSA, Workers World, PSL, RevCom all made a showing. There were militant anti-police chants, lots of marching in the streets and getting screamed at by cops, flanked by a cordon of motorcycle police throughout etc., got to make a big crashing ruckus through the sedate and posh upper east side. It felt good, cathartic under the circumstances.

The proceedings ended with a rally and some speeches in front of trump tower and then dissipated.

On my walk to the subway there was a huge line of ppl, mostly tourists -- several blocks long, had to have been 500 ppl, so twice the number as the march -- all in line for the Daily Show's pop up museum of trump's tweets

Anyway that was depressing

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
:capitalism:

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

anime was right posted:

right, this is how incrementalism actually works.
how "pragmatists" think incrementalism works: negotiate for no executions in the debtors prison labor camps only to be told no, move more rightward until you settle for something actually much worse than the original pitch, which is sending everyone with less than $125,000 yearly income to the labor camps and to be processed in the furnaces should they miss an hour of labor

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


anime was right posted:

right, this is how incrementalism actually works.

Hmm, i wonder if sanders has been talking to chuck shumer. he's been paying the left a small bit of lip service so this would make a logical next step for him.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Frijolero posted:

Here's what Nancy Pelosi had to say about it yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFMYKlLEgHU

:laffo::laffo::laffo:


Basically, uhmm, ACA is good and we need to defend it and umm worry about single payer later...
i did the stock photo of lady biting into lemon irl

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Condiv posted:

is anyone else getting pissed about dems using the rhetorical trick of screaming about the deaths the GOP legislation will cause, but completely ignoring the same argument when it comes to them voting down singlepayer cause "who will pay for it?!"

why do dems care about the millions currently insured losing their worthless insurance, but don't give a poo poo about giving the millions of uninsured worthwhile healthcare? why do they feel like they can take a moralist stance on the GOP's fuckery and then turn around and behave immorally in the same way?
it's almost like the dems are bad

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Anime Schoolgirl posted:

how "pragmatists" think incrementalism works: negotiate for no executions in the debtors prison labor camps only to be told no, move more rightward until you settle for something actually much worse than the original pitch, which is sending everyone with less than $125,000 yearly income to the labor camps and to be processed in the furnaces should they miss an hour of labor

more women guards joke dot jpg

anime was right
Jun 27, 2008

death is certain
keep yr cool

Agean90 posted:

Hmm, i wonder if sanders has been talking to chuck shumer. he's been paying the left a small bit of lip service so this would make a logical next step for him.

see i mean if politics was actually chess or whatever, this is how you do it. go to the extreme, then let the stragglers in your party make a positive concession so it sounds like every part of the party wins

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo

comedyblissoption posted:

i did the stock photo of lady biting into lemon irl

lol

I hadn't noticed she threw shade at young people by almost name-calling them and saying she's been fighting for healthcare longer than they've been born.


Dems are going to lose hard next year

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
love too tinkle all over legislation

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Anime Schoolgirl posted:

how "pragmatists" think incrementalism works: negotiate for no executions in the debtors prison labor camps only to be told no, move more rightward until you settle for something actually much worse than the original pitch, which is sending everyone with less than $125,000 yearly income to the labor camps and to be processed in the furnaces should they miss an hour of labor

caution readers im not sure this post was a good faith representation of political pragmatism!!!!!

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
the tinkle tape iS real

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Frijolero posted:

Here's what Nancy Pelosi had to say about it yesterday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFMYKlLEgHU

:laffo::laffo::laffo:


Basically, uhmm, ACA is good and we need to defend it and umm worry about single payer later...

hmm could we perhaps expand the party's outreach by admitting obamacare isn't perfect and putting forward improvements?

nah we just gotta cling to this hosed up bill even harder

Anime Schoolgirl
Nov 28, 2002

Squizzle posted:

caution readers im not sure this post was a good faith representation of political pragmatism!!!!!
hence the quotation marks

pragmatism would involve taking a sledgehammer to the proposal and instead negotiating down for debt forgiveness at the expense of the rich after initially proposing eating the rich in place of constructing debtor's prisons

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




GalacticAcid posted:

love
  • too tinkle all over
  • legislation

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

Frijolero posted:

lol

I hadn't noticed she threw shade at young people by almost name-calling them and saying she's been fighting for healthcare longer than they've been born.


Dems are going to lose hard next year
tinkle down healthcare

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
"Democrats agree they need to cuss more"

Nancy Pelosi timidly utters the word "tinkle" ahahaha

Agean90
Jun 28, 2008


anime was right posted:

see i mean if politics was actually chess or whatever, this is how you do it. go to the extreme, then let the stragglers in your party make a positive concession so it sounds like every part of the party wins

It sounds like a good potential optics win for the democrats. The republicans gently caress up with their abomination of a bill, Chuck and Bernie step up with a bill that acknowledges that ACA needs more work, takes a concrete,written down step to improve it then shout it to everyone who was/is/will be shook up and scared by ACHA to push a 2018 sweep. The left (me included) would grumble, but at least the dems compromised towards the left for once and that would be a nice signal.

The Ol Spicy Keychain
Jan 17, 2013

I MEPHISTO MY OWN ASSHOLE

GalacticAcid posted:

I went to a black lives matter rally / march to protest the Philando Castile verdict like two weekends ago. It started with some speeches in Harlem and became a march all the way to Trump Tower (56th & Sixth).

I'd say there were 250 people marching, give or take 50.

It was mostly BLM-affiliated people and socialist groups - DSA, Workers World, PSL, RevCom all made a showing. There were militant anti-police chants, lots of marching in the streets and getting screamed at by cops, flanked by a cordon of motorcycle police throughout etc., got to make a big crashing ruckus through the sedate and posh upper east side. It felt good, cathartic under the circumstances.

The proceedings ended with a rally and some speeches in front of trump tower and then dissipated.

On my walk to the subway there was a huge line of ppl, mostly tourists -- several blocks long, had to have been 500 ppl, so twice the number as the march -- all in line for the Daily Show's pop up museum of trump's tweets

Anyway that was depressing

wow look at this succ zone idiot just lmao if you aren't making 10000 posts a day about trump tweets in the trump thread

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




Scent of Worf posted:

wow look at this succ zone idiot just lmao if you aren't making 10000 posts a day about trump tweets in the trump thread

we post about all sorts of things there

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
what if

what if we

what if we call

what if we call it

what if we call it the

what if we call it the drumpf thread 😂

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




lmebo

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
trumped up tinkle down

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

Homeless Friend posted:

trumped up tinkle down

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ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

Homeless Friend posted:

trumped up tinkle down
Tinkle Trumps Hate

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