NBA Offseason G/V: Let Me Hear You Post It

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What is going to be your favorite offseason storyline? This poll is closed.
The Big3 Tourney	67	22.41%
Will Lakers draft Ball	40	13.38%
Where will the Pauls go	54	18.06%
Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ??	41	13.71%
Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking	97	32.44%
Total:	210 votes

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Kibner: Oct 21, 2008; Acguy Supremacy

Spite posted:

He helps you guys against most of the league but I don't think he helps against GSW unless he can consistently outplay Steph. And the last time he did that was that playoff series in '14 when the Clips won.

And if Dekker is fully healed and healthy I think you'll regret losing him in the long run.

He is able to put pressure on Steph and make him work on both ends. If you think CP3 won't make a difference against GSW, what the hell do you think Dekker could do?

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:12

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# ? May 16, 2024 13:36

BWV: Feb 24, 2005

klay is cool and i like him. by far most likeable Warrior along with Livingston b/c tall lanky pgs who cant shoot outside of 10 feet own too

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:18

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

I'm looking forward to a CP3-Harden-Gordon-Ariza-Anderson small ball arrangement at some point

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:23

Criminal Minded: Jan 4, 2005; Spring break forever

I like this post from another site re: Harden and Paul

quote:

Just 10% of Chris Paul's shots last year were Catch-and-shoot (he did have an amazing 69% EFG%). Just 11% came without a dribble. Just 16% came within two seconds of receiving the ball.

Harden was similar. 13% catch and shoot, 17% without a dribble, 19% within two seconds.

Both of these guys like to take their time with the ball. That's contrary to the D'Antoni offensive philosophy.

Harden was playing in D'Antoni's offense when he posted those numbers, and the Rockets had one of the best offenses in the league, so it seemed to work out OK in his case.

More to the point - just because Paul and Harden played like this last year, that doesn't mean it's the only way they're capable of playing. If you look at Harden's splits, half or more of his shots were assisted when he played in OKC, and that percentage dropped off sharply once he joined the Rockets - because he didn't have teammates who could reliably create shots for him any more. (Over two thirds of Harden's 3-pointers made last year were unassisted, which is madness; I would guess that drops off starkly next year with Paul feeding him.)

Paul's percentage of unassisted field goals doesn't have a similar change at any point (it went down slightly with the Clips compared to his time with the Hornets), but he's never played with a fellow creator anywhere near Harden's caliber. (Seriously, who is the best shot-creating wing that Paul has teamed with at any point in his 12 NBA seasons?)

All of that is to say that taking two players who are capable of running a top-5 offense without much help and putting them together will doubtless come with challenges, but overall... I'll let Marlo Stanfield say it.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:24

Noctone: Oct 25, 2005; XO til we overdose..

"Whoa I dunno if trading forgettable role players for a still-in-his-prime Hall of Famer is gonna work out."

-An Idiot

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:27

Rick: Feb 23, 2004; When I was 17, my father was so stupid, I didn't want to be seen with him in public. When I was 24, I was amazed at how much the old man had learned in just 7 years.

D'Antoni's offense is like half ISO ball, I don't know where people get these ideas from.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:28

Ratzinc: Aug 14, 2004; MY BALLS ARE THE SIZE OF GRAPEFRUITS

Noctone posted:

"Whoa I dunno if trading forgettable role players for a still-in-his-prime Hall of Famer is gonna work out."

-An Idiot

How was Kobe and Howard goink before Howard left?

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:30

G-Hawk: Dec 15, 2003

the rockets in no way play 7 seconds or less, it takes harden 7 seconds to get across midcourt half the time.

Both Paul and Harden drove this deal happening, and both say they want to share point duties. Obviously saying and doing are different, but is it really that hard to believe they wouldn't mind relieving the burden some and having some wide open 3s that someone else does the work for? It is going to put so much pressure on defenses, last year teams could find their best defender and put them on Harden and basically just build their entire defense around making harden do all the work. chris paul changes that, a lot.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:34

Kibner: Oct 21, 2008; Acguy Supremacy

Ratzinc posted:

How was Kobe and Howard goink before Howard left?

Howard had a back injury that has hampered him since. Kobe and Nash were both well past their primes.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:36

EvanTH: Apr 24, 2004; i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Henchman of Santa posted:

Vince Staples reactions.

hah this is mostly reminding me that Vince Staples is a very young man. He needs to talk to Clipper Darrell about what to expect from that team if he thinks Doc ruined them.

Stern created the modern Clippers with "Basketball Reasons"

hitze posted:

https://streamable.com/tf6kw

Dancing is fun and I'm glad it's okay for straight men to do. The post-Fred Astaire pre-James Murphy decades must have been hell, even intelligent folks acting like it's very uncool to dance, lame to do poorly and "gay" to do well, ugh. The 80s and 90s were bad news, everyone too cool for school. The 00s were good, tons of songs about how it's okay to dance even if you don't do it well, the Terror Squad anthem where they claimed they weren't dancing they were just doing cool movements to the music, lovely

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T20aIntlGVo

never insult a man for trying to dance, that's how I feel. That's making fun of Having Fun.

Panzeh posted:

I think Phil Jackson is the best GM the Knicks ever had.

annoyingly he's easily the best in the last 10+ years

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:36

Criminal Minded: Jan 4, 2005; Spring break forever

And just imagine when the other team is like "Alright cool we're wearing down Harden he's going to the b- oh gently caress here's Chris Paul"

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:36

G-Hawk: Dec 15, 2003

There is a decent chance he ends up traded, but if not, the Rockets back court minutes could entirely be Chris Paul, James Harden, and Eric Gordon. That is absurd and hilarious

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:38

kingcobweb: Apr 16, 2005

EvanTH posted:

Stern created the modern Clippers with "Basketball Reasons"

Oh my god I forgot all about Basketball Reasons

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:49

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

Kibner posted:

Howard had a back injury that has hampered him since. Kobe and Nash were both well past their primes.

Howard getting traded for scraps made my offseason

# ? Jun 29, 2017 06:59

Bashez: Jul 19, 2004

Kawhi's defensive numbers looked bad this season in part because teams shot well from 3 when he was in the game and they shot unreasonably poorly from 3 when he was sitting. It affected his stats pretty heavily iirc.

Chris Paul is currently second in NBA history in WS/48. How are people still sleeping on him?

# ? Jun 29, 2017 07:01

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

I'm probably biased because I'm old enough to have seen the superteam fail in Houston before (Hakeem-Drexler-Barkley and then Hakeem-Barkley-Pippen. Worked with Hakeem and Drexler but they emptied their depth to add Barkley to the mix and welp)

e: Also TMac-Yao-Artest

Intruder fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Jun 29, 2017

# ? Jun 29, 2017 07:08

jackofarcades: Sep 2, 2011; Okay, I'll admit it took me a bit to get into it... But I think I kinda love this!! I'm Spider-Man!! I'm actually Spider-Man!! HA!

Bashez posted:

Kawhi's defensive numbers looked bad this season in part because teams shot well from 3 when he was in the game and they shot unreasonably poorly from 3 when he was sitting. It affected his stats pretty heavily iirc.

Chris Paul is currently second in NBA history in WS/48. How are people still sleeping on him?

Lack of team success in the playoffs + the emergence of Steph/Russ/Wall/IT etc. PG is a packed position now and he's part of the older guard.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 07:22

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

Bashez posted:

Kawhi's defensive numbers looked bad this season in part because teams shot well from 3 when he was in the game and they shot unreasonably poorly from 3 when he was sitting. It affected his stats pretty heavily iirc.

Chris Paul is currently second in NBA history in WS/48. How are people still sleeping on him?

Yeah if you adjust to account for 3pt% allowed being largely random he was fine last year

# ? Jun 29, 2017 07:26

Ammanas: Jul 17, 2005; Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

Bashez posted:

Chris Paul is currently second in NBA history in WS/48. How are people still sleeping on him?

Poorly timed injuries and a lack of postseason success

He's really good tho

# ? Jun 29, 2017 07:42

Intruder: Mar 5, 2003; I got a taste for blown saves

RIP my ability to insist Harden isn't the biggest flopper/whiner by pointing at CP3

# ? Jun 29, 2017 07:46

curried lamb of God: Aug 31, 2001; we are all Marwinners

Intruder posted:

I'm probably biased because I'm old enough to have seen the superteam fail in Houston before (Hakeem-Drexler-Barkley and then Hakeem-Barkley-Pippen. Worked with Hakeem and Drexler but they emptied their depth to add Barkley to the mix and welp)

e: Also TMac-Yao-Artest

We would've won the title in 09 if T-Mac, Yao and Dikembe hadn't died

# ? Jun 29, 2017 07:51

Carlosologist: Oct 13, 2013; Revelry in the Dark

I had no idea Dikembe played until almost 2010, that's bonkers

# ? Jun 29, 2017 07:58

predicto: Jul 22, 2004; THE DEM DEFENDER HAS LOGGED ON

Intruder posted:

RIP my ability to insist Harden isn't the biggest flopper/whiner by pointing at CP3

Don't worry. You can still point at Blake. Or for whining alone, Doc Rivers.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 08:32

Criminal Minded: Jan 4, 2005; Spring break forever

Carlosologist posted:

I had no idea Dikembe played until almost 2010, that's bonkers

I feel like he was already 35 years old when he was on the AI Sixers

edit: so I read the post below me and he was in fact 35 at that time :lol:

amazing

Criminal Minded fucked around with this message at 09:39 on Jun 29, 2017

# ? Jun 29, 2017 09:07

kingcobweb: Apr 16, 2005

Carlosologist posted:

I had no idea Dikembe played until almost 2010, that's bonkers

He was old when he started, too. He was born in 1966, first played at Georgetown in 1988-89, and started with the Nuggets in '91

# ? Jun 29, 2017 09:27

TheKevman: Dec 13, 2003; I thought Mad Max: Fury Road was

so you should probably ignore anything else I say

curried lamb of God posted:

We would've won the title in 09 if T-Mac, Yao and Dikembe hadn't died

If that was the year that Yao cracked his knee against the Lakers in game 1 of their series I agree. That team was dope and a 65 year old Deke still blocking shots made me happy all the time.

T-Mac's 13 points in 30 seconds or whatever still ranks to me as one of the greatest things I've ever watched live, that team was sick.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 09:29

Chairchucker: Nov 14, 2006; to ride eternal, shiny and chrome

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2022

BWV posted:

klay is cool and i like him. by far most likeable Warrior along with Livingston b/c tall lanky pgs who cant shoot outside of 10 feet own too

Did Javale get traded? :confused:

# ? Jun 29, 2017 09:51

Frustrated: Jun 12, 2003

I had a dream that the Spurs traded Aldridge, Bertans, Anderson, and next year's first for Paul George and then went and signed George Hill. Literally no one scores on a lineup that includes Hill, Green, Goerge, and Leonard.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 13:33

Ramadu: Aug 25, 2004; 2015 NFL MVP

Man I wish the NFL had as crazy of offseason as the NBA. That trade alone is like more people than the NFL trades in a few years. It would be a way more fun league of it was more like the NBA.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 13:34

BigSexyWitGlasses: Nov 1, 2009

Ramadu posted:

Man I wish the NFL had as crazy of offseason as the NBA. That trade alone is like more people than the NFL trades in a few years. It would be a way more fun league of it was more like the NBA.

I can't imagine Roger Goodell on a Gay Pride float waving a Rainbow flag with THE SHIELD logo.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 13:45

Ramadu: Aug 25, 2004; 2015 NFL MVP

BigSexyWitGlasses posted:

I can't imagine Roger Goodell on a Gay Pride float waving a Rainbow flag with THE SHIELD logo.

I can but only if the gay pride float paid the NFL millions to license its likeness. I'm surprised they haven't done that sort of thing like they had the military pay millions for all those military appreciation days. Gotta reach that 14 billion a year income somehow!

# ? Jun 29, 2017 13:48

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

He's staying in Utah lads

https://twitter.com/5kl/status/880190624498016256

# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:31

Metapod: Mar 18, 2012

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880419815428681728

Hell I'd be fine with that

# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:42

Paul Zuvella: Dec 7, 2011

WESTBROOK
OLADIPO
GAY

THE NEW BIG THREE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg

# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:49

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Paul Zuvella posted:

WESTBROOK
OLADIPO
GAY

THE NEW BIG THREE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WK7lIjFsGvg

You forgot Griffin cuz he's going home

# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:51

Metapod: Mar 18, 2012

pubic works project posted:

You forgot Griffin cuz he's going home

My man

# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:53

Spacebump: Dec 24, 2003; Dallas Mavericks: Generations

Metapod posted:

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/880419815428681728

Hell I'd be fine with that

He is going to be more inefficient this year. I think he'd be ok if they sign Griffin also but otherwise it might get rougher.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:53

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

Bashez posted:

Kawhi's defensive numbers looked bad this season in part because teams shot well from 3 when he was in the game and they shot unreasonably poorly from 3 when he was sitting. It affected his stats pretty heavily iirc.

From watching him, I do think he took a step back on D aside from the variance issues, but I think that is sort of inevitable shouldering more of the offensive load. Going from 25% usages to 31% is quite a bit, and that 6% is all "harder" offense to create. However, I think for Kawhi that step back was from "Holy poo poo, a guy playing the 2 or 3 is affecting the teams defense as much as 7 foot rim protectors do!" all the way down to "Decent DPOY vote".

Intruder posted:

Howard getting traded for scraps made my offseason

I completely forgot Dwight Howard was traded to the Charlotte Hornets. It's nuts Free Agency hasn't even started yet and that trade is no longer in the top-10 of things that happened this offseason.

If this is the result of GSW breaking the NBA, I say Hail Superteam.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:59

zoux: Apr 28, 2006

https://twitter.com/TeamLou23/status/880403935382482948

Buddy, you should see the posters.

# ? Jun 29, 2017 15:23

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# ? May 16, 2024 13:36

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Ramadu posted:

Man I wish the NFL had as crazy of offseason as the NBA. That trade alone is like more people than the NFL trades in a few years. It would be a way more fun league of it was more like the NBA.

https://twitter.com/FisolaNYDN/status/880428518659821568

# ? Jun 29, 2017 15:24

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