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R. Guyovich posted:he cites the victims of communism memorial foundation, an organization funded by fascists that deliberately minimalizes the holocaust for anti-communist purposes the context was a discussion of fears in the right evoked by socialism, not an endorsement of them, the chamber (also mentioned) or the other right organizations (and the point was around how unusual it is to see nyt publishing *any* pro socialist piece, not the particulars of the article) full quote quote:Still, the specter of socialism evokes fear of a new totalitarianism. A recent Victims of Communism Memorial Foundation report worries that young people are likely to view socialism favorably and that a “Bernie Sanders bounce” may be contributing to a millennial turn against capitalism. Last year, the president of the United States Chamber of Commerce, Thomas J. Donohue, even found it necessary to remind readers that “Socialism Is a Dangerous Path for America.”
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:There's no option that isn't going to be hard and difficult and frustrating and enraging and futile-feeling for a long time. There's not gonna be a quick fix. this. in a strange way, despite the constant ranting and raving about the stupid bullshit i encounter on a daily basis with this moribund corpus of a political party that has been motionless so long that it has physically fused with the couch on which it has chosen to recline, the idea of changing the system being a multi-generational fight puts me at some sort of ease. it ain't gonna happen overnight, so i can't get too disappointed with my efforts to prevent rich people from openly making GBS threads on the poor.
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i mean, if i wasn't in a rural area and literally the only dsa member in my county, i wouldn't've even bothered with the dems. i do what i can with what i have because there is literally no other option in rural areas.
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We need pro-government talking points/memes. Does there already exist a well developed body of them somewhere? Or just good ones to steal "If you can read this, thank
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Accretionist posted:We need pro-government talking points/memes. Does there already exist a well developed body of them somewhere? I see what you're going for but tbh "government" sort of comes off as this alienating bureaucracy. If we can find a more favorable term I could see that being good  I think another option could be to focus more on the history of labor activism. "Do you like maternity leave? Thank strikes. Do you like overtime pay? Thank strikes. Do you like worker's comp? Thank strikes."
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Saying you are "pro-government" is missing the point and following the Dems' footsteps of constantly letting the right frame things. An undemocratic or otherwise regressive government (like what we have now in the US) is nothing to be happy about.
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the problem we currently face is that we have one batch of shitheads who campaign on a platform of "gently caress you" while the other batch of shitheads are campaigning on a platform of "gently caress them and gently caress you"
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Martin Random posted:And tell everyone about planned Parenthood giving him cover to protect their bourgoise jobs. I can't attach their press release but it nonsensically gives cover to rendon, saying that the state legislature should concentrate instead on UHC federally (????). Once you read their sordid press release and see how little it makes sense given the organizations putative goals, it's hard not to just think this is a group of managers throwing actual help for women under the bus to maintain their entrenched position. I believe the failure of UHC in California should be exploited as a recruiting tool because it really shows how loving full of poo poo our Democratic political class is. PP did the same thing to help kill coloradocare (along with the dem senator and governor)
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ex post facho posted:i can't support the democrats anymore after they killed single payer initiatives first in Colorado and now in CA, it's clear the party no longer represents me. there's chapters in denver, boulder, and colorado springs, if ur pueblo though you should start a chapter there, it's not hard
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Shear Modulus posted:Saying you are "pro-government" is missing the point and following the Dems' footsteps of constantly letting the right frame things. An undemocratic or otherwise regressive government (like what we have now in the US) is nothing to be happy about. Confidence, comrade! The state is the greatest innovation in the history of mankind and we should proud Proud statists
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Nice! And to further expand on confidence, markets are bad, too. The economic logic of dumping waste down a storm drain is impeccable. Frankly, you can't afford not to drink polluted water and eat tainted food. But you don't because you have government. Your clean water and pure food is a market distortion. Government loving rules, bitches Edit: Just paper over the wrinkles with enthusiasm and confidence. Accretionist has issued a correction as of 07:55 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Accretionist posted:Nice! markets always result in races to the bottom. "You would never sell your family's health. Why should you have to buy it?" idk just throwing something out there
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RiotGearEpsilon posted:There's no option that isn't going to be hard and difficult and frustrating and enraging and futile-feeling for a long time. There's not gonna be a quick fix. This made me feel so much better. You know, I think that it works, motivating people in a Churchill manner, promising them struggle, hardship, but ultimately, victory as a natural product of those plus time. Doc Hawkins posted:I was going to joke that I'm glad civil rights activists tried to change existing parties rather than starting their own, but of course, they did that too. They didn't just change existing parties, they loving FLIPPED THEM. They didn't just move a party to the left, they redefined the party system. This precedent tells me that we CAN change how the democratic party functions, essentially, given enough chair time in their boring, interminable meetings where they try to pacify passion with procedural drudgery. Edit: Or perhaps the answer is accusing democrats of stuff openly, like saying "The Democratic Party is Opposed to Universal Healthcare" then maybe they'll start giving concessions to us willy nilly to prove their sincerity like they do the republicans. Martin Random has issued a correction as of 12:50 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Martin Random posted:This made me feel so much better. You know, I think that it works, motivating people in a Churchill manner, promising them struggle, hardship, but ultimately, victory as a natural product of those plus time. They'll only change from fear, and even then they probably won't, civil rights weren't an existential threat to capitalism like the Spectre currently haunting America.
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R. Guyovich posted:he cites the victims of communism memorial foundation, an organization funded by fascists that deliberately minimalizes the holocaust for anti-communist purposes he doesn't cite them approvingly
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R. Guyovich posted:right, and the point is he could have picked literally any other source for that information rather than giving that scum pageviews via what must be the biggest platform he's ever gotten oh okay
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i think people are too hard on bhaskar tho
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Karl Barks posted:i think people are too hard on bhaskar tho there are other things to complain about in the piece, i was just surprised it made it to publication
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on the list of sunkara's sins i think it's small compared to his keeping connor kilpatrick on jacobin's masthead
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those CC posts in The Zone really getting me fired up for a DSA meeting arond denver
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You're in luck. https://facebook.com/events/1948125495403417
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Shear Modulus posted:on the list of sunkara's sins i think it's small compared to his keeping connor kilpatrick on jacobin's masthead yeah lol. also almost every article on foreign policy that goes into the magazine
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Shear Modulus posted:on the list of sunkara's sins i think it's small compared to his keeping connor kilpatrick on jacobin's masthead yeah
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My chapter voted in our delegates for National a few days ago and mandated beforehand that 2/3rds of them be women and/or PoCs. Let's see the Democratic Party do that 
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Who is Connor Kilpatrick and why do people hate him?
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Thermite posted:Who is Connor Kilpatrick and why do people hate him? he's a guy at jacobin who tweets all the time amd is the closest thing to the so-called "class only" """socialist""" observed in the wild
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Shear Modulus posted:he's a guy at jacobin who tweets all the time amd is the closest thing to the so-called "class only" """socialist""" observed in the wild dont forget hes also a transphobe
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Larry Parrish posted:Homeboy looks like a spree killer shh shh he's complimenting us be nice
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lol democrats so mad at people chanting at a rally
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gonna go to a rally with my crew wearing a chapo tshirt and leather jacket and beat up the pod save america shirt wearing nerds.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:lol democrats so mad at people chanting at a rally I was just out of frame in that twitter shot to the left and the sour looks we were getting we're incredible.
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we organized a march for the super bowl with the dems and had al green in front of 1000 people chanting "workers of the world unite" lol
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jarofpiss posted:we organized a march for the super bowl with the dems and had al green in front of 1000 people chanting "workers of the world unite" lol to clarify for those not from or in houston: al green is a local congressman and not the beloved r&b singer
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this is awesome. i really can't wait for cory gardner to hold a town hall (if he ever does lol) here in Colorado, i'd love to help get folks together to go loudly explain our greivances :frogin:
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ex post facho posted:this is awesome. This was being discussed in the Denver DSA Slack - https://actionnetwork.org/forms/sign-up-to-sit-in?source=dsa I think National is encouraging people to participate. Like you said, lol at him having a town hall, but he can't easily avoid a sit in. Problem is, we felt National was not being forthcoming about the risk of arrest. That's all new to me and I'd like to know more what the ramifications are.
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