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After an assignment test got a message from the recruiter saying if I saw a recent email, there was no email on my inbox or spam, and so far the recruiter's been silent and didn't respond my follow-up message. Not sure if their interest in doing a follow-up is a good sign or if they just want to let me know they really didnt like my performance.
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Keetron posted:Sorry, you need to give them your birth certificate exactly why? The job's in the Probation department, so they're putting me through most of what they put sworn police officers through. They need to see my birth certificate, high school diploma, college degree, transcripts, driver's license, etc. I also have to write a one-page essay about myself, get fingerprinted, and take a polygraph test. It's a bit intense! They haven't asked for my Twitter password, at least.
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Grump posted:yeah I'm still only a year and a half out of school, so money is basically everything right now. If you're ok with taking regional rail to work I'd highly recommend Vanguard in Malvern. It has the benefit of not being a lovely company like Comcast and they legitimately treat their employees well and compensate them competitively.
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Is it ever worth saying up-front what your ideal salary range is to a recruiter? One of them is asking me for one, but I'm reluctant to talk about salary until everything else has shaken out.
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Jun 27, 2017 15:56
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Not really. If they're jonesing the salary just think of your ideal salary for the location and add a couple ten thousand. I've also just told them $1 if they're doing the "I have to put a number in" bullshit.
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I was gonna name a comically large number (to me) since their AngelList page lists a loving bizarre $80k min-max delta for their positions, so I guess that's that. Question is whether I drum up the balls to drop that number or just put it off until later.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:27
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I wonder if I can write this autobiographical essay using only information that's already on the background check form. "My name is Colin and I have been convicted for none of the following: Arson, Assault…"
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Jun 27, 2017 17:14
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Pollyanna posted:Is it ever worth saying up-front what your ideal salary range is to a recruiter? One of them is asking me for one, but I'm reluctant to talk about salary until everything else has shaken out. If you know exactly how much you want and you know that that number is well above average, then yes. Otherwise no. If you feel confidant, turn it around and ask the recruiter what the offered range is. Otherwise just say that you need to get to know the company better before talking about salary.
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Jun 27, 2017 17:23
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Update on the coding challenge. I emailed this morning and it turns out that he forgot to send it. He sent it to me and now I have to figure how how to optimize SQL. I think the rest of the challenge has been pretty OK though.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:10
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I got basically the same thing once only it was PHP. I had PHP exactly nowhere on my resume and had given no indication whatsoever that I knew PHP but was asked to write it on a timed code review. I got tell me what this code in a language we made up for this interview question does -- and find the bug. Sometimes they're testing language knowledge. Sometimes they're testing language knowledge. Sometimes they just want to know if you can reason about code.
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KernelSlanders posted:I got tell me what this code in a language we made up for this interview question does -- and find the bug. Sometimes they're testing language knowledge. Sometimes they're testing language knowledge. Sometimes they just want to know if you can reason about code. Here's the kicker: It was one of those online, in a web browser things that didn't tell me it was PHP until the test actually started.
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This week I had an interview where we talked about Jenkins and CD/CI where I was asked if I could set up all that. I said I can but I never did, although having work with this jenkins/git/docker stuff a lot, I am confident it can be figured out. They hired me, one of the tasks will be learning new tech and implement it.
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Keetron posted:This week I had an interview where we talked about Jenkins and CD/CI where I was asked if I could set up all that. It's not that bad, though it takes a bit of practice. Should be fine.
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Just finished up my interview. I knew it wasn't the job for me when i walked in and saw only 3 people there. Also it was my first whiteboarding session. Those are b awkward
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Grump posted:Just finished up my interview. I knew it wasn't the job for me when i walked in and saw only 3 people there. 
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Jun 29, 2017 23:14
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Ah idk. It's just seemed very weird walking into a room with 3 pasty looking developers and literally no other employees. Just gave me a very looming feeling.
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Grump posted:Ah idk. It's just seemed very weird walking into a room with 3 pasty looking developers and literally no other employees. Just gave me a very looming feeling. That seems better than 2 hr people.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:51
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Thermopyle posted:What were you expecting? Developers with better tans.
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Grump posted:Ah idk. It's just seemed very weird walking into a room with 3 pasty looking developers and literally no other employees. Just gave me a very looming feeling. To me that would be a great sign that they have good time off or work from home policies.
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PokeJoe posted:To me that would be a great sign that they have good time off or work from home policies. Yeah, I would prefer a core team of a few developers instead of a round-table of HR people/managers or a weird day-long visitation.
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Pollyanna posted:Yeah, I would prefer a core team of a few developers instead of a round-table of HR people/managers or a weird day-long visitation. I'm pretty sure they mean no one else in the office. No HR, no reception, no designers, no art/ux, no product. Just 3 developers in an office. Some people want a bit larger / more rounded company.
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I just passed the first round python/sql interview for a Facebook data engineering position, and will be going in for the on site interview in a few weeks. They said that some of the things that will be covered are data modeling (e.g. table structures, data architecture, star schema, fact, and dimension tables) and designing ETL processes but these are areas that I have little to no experience, does anyone have any recommendations for resources to try to pick up these concepts as best as possible in a short time span? Thanks in advance goons.
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I just took an Amazon coding assessment the other day on some website which had two tests to complete. Are those solutions more about weeding out people that can't code/just copy code from some stack overflow response, or actually judging the code submitted (assuming it compiles & passes tests)? I hated my brute force algorithm despite it working.
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Tweak posted:I just took an Amazon coding assessment the other day on some website which had two tests to complete. Are those solutions more about weeding out people that can't code/just copy code from some stack overflow response, or actually judging the code submitted (assuming it compiles & passes tests)? I hated my brute force algorithm despite it working. It's mostly about weeding out people who can't code at all. Sure, if you're going to test anything, a ranking will show up, but I doubt they pour your submission for hours debating it's merits. They'll make some "good enough to interview" judgement, and go from there. Also, working & sub-optimal is better than not working & could maybe be optimal one day.
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I don't think I believe the follow up call I received today (I finished the assessment last night around 8) who said, "I needed to call you quickly because you did really well on this" since I wanted to reply, "I thought it was garbage but ok :S" edit: well, at least 1 of the 2 was. Tweak fucked around with this message at 22:51 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Skandranon posted:It's mostly about weeding out people who can't code at all. Sure, if you're going to test anything, a ranking will show up, but I doubt they pour your submission for hours debating it's merits. They'll make some "good enough to interview" judgement, and go from there. Also, working & sub-optimal is better than not working & could maybe be optimal one day. Otoh I literally got rejected for one of the last coding challenges I did in my last job search for not introducing a logging framework. All for the best.
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Tweak posted:I don't think I believe the follow up call I received today (I finished the assessment last night around 8) who said, "I needed to call you quickly because you did really well on this" since I wanted to reply, "I thought it was garbage but ok :S" This means that all their other candidates are garbage. I had an interview where I did linked-list insertion badly and got "wow, that was awesome!" Sure enough, the recruiter they were working through was both stupid and aggressively unpleasant.
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Recognizing that your code is garbage probably puts you ahead of 95% of the people applying
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I had a timed coding question and assessment thing yesterday. It was 8 questions, and the first six where "Explain how this concept works" or multiple choice, and I was taking my time answering them thoroughly. Didn't realize the last two questions were coding assessments that would each take me half an hour to work through, and I only had 40 minutes left  Ended up panicking after spending 20 minutes on the first one, so I moved on to the second one to try to get at least one of them done, turned out to be the same amount of time required, so both of them were half answered and completely non working. I got pissed off at myself for terrible time management skills, and finished the two coding assessments on my own time just to say I did. I sent my contact at the company an email thanking her for setting up the interview and assessment, and mentioned I ran out of time to answer the last two questions. I'm assuming it would be really stupid to send them my finished answers I did on my own time.
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ddiddles posted:I had a timed coding question and assessment thing yesterday. I wouldn't know the answer to your actual question, but it sounds like they needed WAY more communication on their part. Remember old tests that would say an estimated amount of time per section, so you wouldn't waste the entire time stuck on one problem? They definitely should have done something like that, and I also think timed coding sounds like a jerk move. So don't beat yourself up too much!
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I had a very good timed test, multiple choice that required both knowledge and, on many questions, thinking, which required you wait at least two minutes before skipping a question. That took some pressure off.
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ddiddles posted:I had a timed coding question and assessment thing yesterday. One time i hosed up a coding test and then went back home and did it right and then sent the manager my result and they were impressed that i cared that much I would have sent them your second attempt
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Pollyanna posted:Is it ever worth saying up-front what your ideal salary range is to a recruiter? One of them is asking me for one, but I'm reluctant to talk about salary until everything else has shaken out. $1 - $100000000
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Grump posted:One time i hosed up a coding test and then went back home and did it right and then sent the manager my result and they were impressed that i cared that much It was an online hackerrank thing that I can't retake, would it look weird if I just send them the code I wrote at home?
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ddiddles posted:It was an online hackerrank thing that I can't retake, would it look weird if I just send them the code I wrote at home? You have nothing to lose. Worst case: you don't get the job. Current case: you don't have the job. Best case, they're impressed and you get the job. So basically, just do it. "Hey, I misjuged the time, but the challenges were really interesting, so I completed them on my own time, here's the code" is totally acceptable.
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Afternoon friendos, Can anybody recommend a book or resource (or your own strategy) for dealing with complex systems? Not in the abstract way, but practical methods for engineers to manage problems 
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toadoftoadhall posted:Afternoon friendos, Can you be more specific? There's a lot of work in systems thinking. There's the theory of constraints, popularized in "The Goal" by Goldratt. It was originally written for manufacturing, but it's been applied to comp sci problems, as seen in (not as good) "The Phoenix Project" by Kim.
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Not a newbie, but I'm in a bit of a weird position right now. My workplace hasn't been the best lately and I eventually made the decision to leave. I contacted another company and was offered a job with a small pay increase in a better location. I accepted and my starting date is 2 weeks from now. However, my current workplace has indicated that they're open to promoting me to a management position, meaning I would be in a position to fix a lot of the things that have been bugging me and would be getting paid (I assume) significantly more. I would be leading a team of about 4 devs who I'm very fond of and work very well with. I haven't had the meeting regarding this yet, that takes place on Monday with the CEO. But assuming the CEO accepts all of my various "demands" (and he may not), I will then have to make a choice. If I decide to stay, it means I would need to contact the other employer and withdraw my acceptance of their offer. Obviously as a human person with a conscience this makes me feel pretty lovely for wasting their time, but as a career driven, ambitious person I also understand that I really need to look out for what is best for me. I guess I'm just wondering, has anyone else done this before? How did the conversation go down? Am I a lovely person? putin is a cunt fucked around with this message at 00:19 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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