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Homura and Sickle posted:if you're wondering what an anime trainwreck looks like watch handshakers, a series that hosed up everything
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I thought train wrecks had to start out good, then eventually derail and turn into a burning mess of screaming pain. Handshakers was pretty bad from the get-go.
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Jun 30, 2017 00:13
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i feel like the phrase would be best used to describe significant production failures, but really the well of it being a useful term in any sense has long been poisoned.
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Jun 30, 2017 00:13
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As a concrete example, the broadcast of Kiss Dum was a true train wreck, in that production seemingly melted down, and it turned into some weird sequence of half-animated recaps after like 3 episodes.
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Jun 30, 2017 00:15
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dogsicle posted:i feel like the phrase would be best used to describe significant production failures, but really the well of it being a useful term in any sense has long been poisoned. It's best to just junk it altogether. I can probably count the number of actual trainwrecks on my hand and that's if we count Evangelion as one
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Jun 30, 2017 00:19
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My favorite is the anime Galvion, where the toy company sponsoring the show went bankrupt so they made an episode that narrated what would have happened in the series over production stills
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Jun 30, 2017 00:20
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i'd like to recommend tenamonya voyagers, my favorite sudden-stop-on-the-train anime, to everyone
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Jun 30, 2017 00:31
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Galaxy Express 999 is my favorite train makes it to the station anime
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Jun 30, 2017 00:55
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Summer Season 2017: Multi-track Drifting!?
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Jun 30, 2017 00:58
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dogsicle posted:based on what, two shows in one dude's entire work history? give this poo poo a rest when the show hasn't even aired While a number of his adaptive screenplays he's done have been good, four out of five of his original TV series have been really messy. Seeing as the fifth was Overman King Gainer, and Tomino is a very... uhh... dominant personality in his works, that suggests that he probably can't take much credit there. Also, it was fifteen years ago, and he hasn't written an especially good series-length screenplay since - his best was Code Geass, which even its defenders tend to describe as a fun mess. Odds aren't on him being a net benefit to this show, unless you're in it for absurd action and even more absurd twists and not much else.
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Jun 30, 2017 01:13
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GorfZaplen posted:It's best to just junk it altogether. I can probably count the number of actual trainwrecks on my hand and that's if we count Evangelion as one
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Jun 30, 2017 01:28
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i literally no nothing about it, but i doubt thats true
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Jun 30, 2017 01:29
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Darth Walrus posted:While a number of his adaptive screenplays he's done have been good, four out of five of his original TV series have been really messy. Seeing as the fifth was Overman King Gainer, and Tomino is a very... uhh... dominant personality in his works, that suggests that he probably can't take much credit there. Also, it was fifteen years ago, and he hasn't written an especially good series-length screenplay since - his best was Code Geass, which even its defenders tend to describe as a fun mess. maybe i should've phrased my post in a way that didn't seem like an invitation to go further into the hole on this. i think if people wanna post misgivings about a show beforehand that's fine. but something like a random quip that just reiterates the already stated opinion that "this show seems bad because x" just comes off annoying and unnecessary.
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Jun 30, 2017 01:49
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Darth Walrus posted:While a number of his adaptive screenplays he's done have been good, four out of five of his original TV series have been really messy. Seeing as the fifth was Overman King Gainer, and Tomino is a very... uhh... dominant personality in his works, that suggests that he probably can't take much credit there. Also, it was fifteen years ago, and he hasn't written an especially good series-length screenplay since - his best was Code Geass, which even its defenders tend to describe as a fun mess. But we can point to several interesting or even good specific screenplays of his though, including episode 5 of Space Dandy, so let's not deal too much in absolutes. Even Kabaneri wasn't all that problematic in structure per se. If anything, its main sin was being stereotypical and predictable, especially with the villain. However, I thought there was still some decent characterization work here and there. It wasn't a series that I'd consider to be particularly chaotic or hard to understand. Anyway, I think it all goes down to this: what are the goals of each production? Other than making money, I mean. For example, I think Hiroyuki Yoshino is generally a worse writer than Okouchi ('cause someone who created Qwaser of Stigmata has reached lower lows) and yet he still did pretty decent work on Sora no Woto that, frankly, is miles above what was done on Guilty Crown. Why? Probably because the staff had different goals in mind. I think the three or four series in question are similar (to a degree) because the mission statement probably was "let's make a crazy show again, that's what the kids want" but Princess Principal, at least on the surface, doesn't strike me as being the same. It could be better, worse or just different. wielder fucked around with this message at 01:51 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 01:49
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i've def uh...misused show staff credits to try and hype or sell shows, but staff maybe gets too much weight when talking pre-release, regardless of positive or negative tone.
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Jun 30, 2017 01:54
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i like plenty of bad shows. whether i like something or not isn't a metric of a show's quality, just my reactions to it.
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Jun 30, 2017 02:27
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I wouldn't call Code Geass a "fun mess" I'd call it a fun good anime. It kinda stumbles a bit at the beginning of the second season, but that doesn't make it bad or a mess. I don't even think Code Geass has "defenders" I think it has fans
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Jun 30, 2017 02:29
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darkgray posted:I thought train wrecks had to start out good, then eventually derail and turn into a burning mess of screaming pain. Handshakers was pretty bad from the get-go. That's actually closest to the original usage. A train company sold tickets to two trains colliding head-on. It went well, until the boilers exploded and killed a bunch of people.
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Jun 30, 2017 02:32
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Guy Goodbody posted:I wouldn't call Code Geass a "fun mess" I'd call it a fun good anime. It kinda stumbles a bit at the beginning of the second season, but that doesn't make it bad or a mess. I don't even think Code Geass has "defenders" I think it has fans I actually think the beginning of R2 is fine. It's some of the plotlines near the end that I'm not such a big fan of. The metaphysical stuff involving C's world and the Emperor's plan is nonsensical, and the FLEIJA storyline features one of my least favorite tropes: Millions of people die and only a few characters seem to care much. Suzaku and Nina feel guilty about their role in causing it, Lelouch is initially upset because he thinks Nunnally is dead, and nobody else appears to give a poo poo. There was a similar thing in Star Trek (2009), where Spock is "emotionally compromised" because his home planet and millions if not billions of people on it were blown up, Uhara is upset because Spock is upset, Bones is upset because he thinks Spock isn't upset enough, and everyone else is apparently unaffected. I suppose it all goes back to A New Hope, which is a pity because I otherwise like that movie.
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Jun 30, 2017 02:52
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oh yeah, Star Trek sucked
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Jun 30, 2017 02:56
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i mean qwaser of stigmata isn't really bad writing just because it's a huge titty show, maybe it's good at being a titty show. im not gonna watch it, but it could be
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Jun 30, 2017 03:09
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these titties contain the entire combined works of shakespeare, with improvements to the scripts he would have made if he was still alive today
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Jun 30, 2017 03:15
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Endorph posted:i mean qwaser of stigmata isn't really bad writing just because it's a huge titty show, maybe it's good at being a titty show. im not gonna watch it, but it could be I meant that less about the formal quality of the writing and more about the questionable nature of the subject matter itself, which tends to be reflected in the goals of such productions. Thus...I would be very surprised if it's even half as good as something like Godannar, but I am not in a hurry to find that out. Silver2195 posted:I actually think the beginning of R2 is fine. It's some of the plotlines near the end that I'm not such a big fan of. The metaphysical stuff involving C's world and the Emperor's plan is nonsensical, and the FLEIJA storyline features one of my least favorite tropes: Millions of people die and only a few characters seem to care much. Suzaku and Nina feel guilty about their role in causing it, Lelouch is initially upset because he thinks Nunnally is dead, and nobody else appears to give a poo poo. There was a similar thing in Star Trek (2009), where Spock is "emotionally compromised" because his home planet and millions if not billions of people on it were blown up, Uhara is upset because Spock is upset, Bones is upset because he thinks Spock isn't upset enough, and everyone else is apparently unaffected. I suppose it all goes back to A New Hope, which is a pity because I otherwise like that movie. I don't have any strong feelings towards said "least favorite" trope, either way, but I can see how that might bother some people. That said, not so much with the first one you mentioned. As seen elsewhere in anime, the plan's just another variation of NGE's instrumentality, except with different symbols and terminology, by another dude who can't get over the past and is a total jerk regardless of his intentions (hello there, Gendo Ikari). Not a huge fan of the whole concept though, but thankfully the show doesn't end on that note. wielder fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 03:23
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im not sure what you mean by that when the staff of godannar literally drew tentacle porn of the series to fund a s2
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Jun 30, 2017 03:39
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The Colonel posted:these titties contain the entire combined works of shakespeare, with improvements to the scripts he would have made if he was still alive today
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Jun 30, 2017 03:43
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Wark Say posted:Is this a reference to a goon who used to have a Homestuck AV about how Homestuck was better than Shakespeare's entire body of work? no
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Jun 30, 2017 03:46
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Endorph posted:im not sure what you mean by that when the staff of godannar literally drew tentacle porn of the series to fund a s2 I am not judging any materials created outside of the series itself. If you dig around, plenty of anime staff have drawn doujinshi of their own work before. Gainax even made (or licensed out) eroge at one point. Godannar has tons of fanservice, no doubt about it, yet the emphasis is on being a fun Super Robot show with in-jokes, genre parodies and some cool robots. There's a number of elements to the production that make it pretty good as a mecha anime too, regardless of all the fanservice involved. If anyone can convince me Qwaser of Stigmata is like that, then we could have that conversation (probably not). wielder fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 03:54
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bonus demi-chan is good
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Jun 30, 2017 05:35
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qwaser isn't a titty show. it is a breast feeding fetish show.
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Jun 30, 2017 07:35
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:qwaser isn't a titty show. it is a breast feeding fetish show. I mean, the latter is kind of a subset of the former.
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Jun 30, 2017 07:36
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:qwaser isn't a titty show. it is a breast feeding fetish show. You say tomato....
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Jun 30, 2017 07:48
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Let's call the whole thing off.
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Jun 30, 2017 08:41
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sorry, the titties are already paid for under Blank Constructs name
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Jun 30, 2017 09:14
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NO!!!
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Jun 30, 2017 09:21
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Guy Goodbody posted:bonus demi-chan is good 
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Jun 30, 2017 11:26
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wielder posted:I meant that less about the formal quality of the writing and more about the questionable nature of the subject matter itself, which tends to be reflected in the goals of such productions. Thus...I would be very surprised if it's even half as good as something like Godannar, but I am not in a hurry to find that out. That's the problem, though - NGE was built around that, with Instrumentality serving as the natural climax to its thematic and emotional arc, while Geass R2 just went 'oh hey we doing Evangelion now' for a few episodes, and had to significantly alter a couple of characters' prior characterisationn to do it. Also, the China arc felt kind of superfluous, and never got meaningfully explored or followed up on.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:38
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And the start was a rehash of the first season. It was still really fun.
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Jun 30, 2017 13:03
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W-was the most recent Boruto episode directed by SHAFT? Is that Gahara?
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Jun 30, 2017 17:47
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Goddamn the ending to Tsuki ga Kirei was good. I-i'm not crying I promise.
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Speaking of SHAFT, Owari 3 is set to be aired on 8/12 and 8/13 netflix style, with 7 episodes total!  Also FATE APOCRYPHA IS TWO COUR!
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