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Fresh out of college with a B.A. Looking for an entry level lab tech job to tide me over before I go to graduate school. My prior work history is kinda lame. 2 years of retail, a temporary gig as a clerical worker, and most recently, about 6-8 months of doing some archaeology work (which is well within the scope of my major, luckily). I'm adding the archaeology job to my resume, should I add the two others? I'm trying to get a full page here while also keeping fluff to a minimum. The archaeology job was a mix of outdoor work, technical and legal writing, and ethnographic research, so I don't see too much overlap between that and an entry level lab tech job. How much am I supposed to milk these experiences without looking like I'm full of crap? I meet the job requirements, which are literally graduating highschool. But I don't have a degree in biology or chemistry, like they recommend. Also it appears no previous lab work experience is needed.
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Johnny Truant posted:I'm looking at a manager position, and on the job posting it says "5 years experience in the past 10 years." I have 3.5 years of experience, is it even worth applying? Not in a managerial position, although I have trained quite a few of my coworkers and had some managerial responsibilities given to me. I have a certification one level higher than they require, I'm hoping that can make up for the 1.5 years I'm lacking? Yes, always apply in this situation. Maybe you'll be the only candidate, or everyone else will only have two years or the wrong qualifications or whatever. The worst that can happen is they drop your resume in the bin and don't call you.
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Jun 15, 2017 11:27
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I applied for a job that wanted three years of experience and advanced SQL/VBA skills. I had no experience and only beginner's skills in both. Got the offer, am pretty sure I was the only one who applied (they didn't advertise very widely). Always apply
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Jun 15, 2017 11:57
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Johnny Truant posted:I'm looking at a manager position, and on the job posting it says "5 years experience in the past 10 years." I have 3.5 years of experience, is it even worth applying? Not in a managerial position, although I have trained quite a few of my coworkers and had some managerial responsibilities given to me. I have a certification one level higher than they require, I'm hoping that can make up for the 1.5 years I'm lacking? I was recently asked to apply and was interviewed for (waiting on results) a manager position that said 9 years + BS, 7 Years + MS. I have a BS + ~5 years if you count interships, ongoing MS.
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Jun 15, 2017 12:12
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I've applied to a bunch of things that specified years of experience in specific workforce planning software that I don't have before, and I've got at least to interview every time. The software never comes up in the interview. They're describing the ideal hire, they know they're going to have to compromise on some element of it unless they're really lucky.
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Jun 15, 2017 12:20
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Awesome, thanks for all the advice y'all. Here's to hoping, there're two jobs that I'm realllllly gunning for, and this is one of them!
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Jun 15, 2017 13:03
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How many resumes are you guys handing out each day? Today and yesterday I wrote and emailed out three resumes/cover letters. I'm assuming two or three a day would be OK as people who I have talked to who are on Ontario works say they want you to hand out something like 35 resumes a month (this was ten years ago, I don't know how it is today) so two or three a day should be a lot with that line of thinking. I'm not sure if this should be a concern either. I guess I'm just gauging how many resumes other people hand out.
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Jun 15, 2017 19:47
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So we hear alot about how unemployment is very low (like 4.5% or so), nearly full employment, and it's a buyers market for job seekers. Yet whenever I'm on LinkedIn, the # of people who have applied even to brand new (i.e. less than 24 hours) postings is near 50, sometimes 100. That to me sounds more like people are really trying hard to look and applying to everything. Primarily this is for product management/product marketing positions. I've seen it in TN, Chicago, multiple cities in Florida, California, NY, etc. Is this a case of already employed people just fishing for a better offer, or a sign that employment might not be as strong as thought? Also, why do the same postings just sit there? I've seen some that just get posted every three to four weeks, without fail. Same company, same position, same posting.
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Jun 16, 2017 19:03
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Omne posted:So we hear alot about how unemployment is very low (like 4.5% or so), nearly full employment, and it's a buyers market for job seekers. Yet whenever I'm on LinkedIn, the # of people who have applied even to brand new (i.e. less than 24 hours) postings is near 50, sometimes 100. That to me sounds more like people are really trying hard to look and applying to everything. Primarily this is for product management/product marketing positions. I've seen it in TN, Chicago, multiple cities in Florida, California, NY, etc. Is this a case of already employed people just fishing for a better offer, or a sign that employment might not be as strong as thought? I think that 4.5% number is misleading because over the last ~50 years so many good jobs with benefits have been replaced by lovely jobs with no benefits. So maybe technically the unemployment rate is low, but I bet the number of "underemployed" people is way higher now than it has been at other times of 4.5% unemployment historically. I don't know if there's a good statistic that tracks this... U6 is the closest measure but doesn't seem quite right to me.
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Jun 16, 2017 19:09
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Omne posted:So we hear alot about how unemployment is very low (like 4.5% or so), nearly full employment, and it's a buyers market for job seekers. Yet whenever I'm on LinkedIn, the # of people who have applied even to brand new (i.e. less than 24 hours) postings is near 50, sometimes 100. That to me sounds more like people are really trying hard to look and applying to everything. Primarily this is for product management/product marketing positions. I've seen it in TN, Chicago, multiple cities in Florida, California, NY, etc. Is this a case of already employed people just fishing for a better offer, or a sign that employment might not be as strong as thought? I'll speculate that you may be getting recruiters applying for people, and that they have some automated way of doing so. I.e. that metric is garbage because the applicants are never going to materialize. As far as sitting there, I work at a very large company that basically always "needs" people in certain categories. I'd bet that is one of their strategies. For example, I mentioned I applied to a manager rec recently that is posted externally but is a move within the same division at the same company for me. This had been sitting for 9 months. As soon as I got past the HR filter, probably by way of contacting the right people internally, I got auto applied to a different rec internally, and that first rec continues to sit open. I bet they refresh it to the top of the linkedin list every 2-3 weeks. Unrelated to the quoted reply, but relevant to the thread topic: For the people complaining about waiting to hear for a month or more, consider this. I have now been waiting for ~5 weeks since the interview for an internal position. This is despite being pretty well known to everyone in the decision chain for good things and given multiple awards/accolades within the past 2 years, etc. Some higher-up friends/mentors have suggested that for the position I'm applying to the company sets certain must haves for number and types of applicants and until they are met I will wait. This includes interviewing X number of females, minorities, etc, but in my discipline its basically all white dudes.
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Jun 16, 2017 21:01
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Omne posted:
Some of the bigger companies have more work and money than they have people. E. G. Google is always hiring programmers, and managers to go with them. They claim they can never find enough people who meet their standards, and maybe that is the case. Facebook, Amazon etc have the same problem.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:16
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I think 4% is "full employment" and about 3 to 3.5% is people relocating and voluntarily leaving one job before finding another. The rate is even lower for college graduates and holy poo poo if you're a White male with a degree. But all of those are broad aggregates. I'm a White guy with a Masters and I've been out of work for 4 months. So who the gently caress knows. Statistics don't lie though. Maybe there's someone with my same name who fucks dogs on the internet and HR managers think that's me.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:27
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Krispy Kareem posted:Statistics don't lie though.
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Jun 16, 2017 22:33
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Omne posted:Also, why do the same postings just sit there? I've seen some that just get posted every three to four weeks, without fail. Same company, same position, same posting. At one of my old jobs, it was because turnover was high and they were constantly recruiting to replace people that left instead of finding out why it was high and fixing it.
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Jun 17, 2017 08:56
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The published unemployment rate only includes people who've been unemployed 15 weeks or longer and have actively been looking for work in that time and people who've just finished temporary jobs and are actively seeking a new temporary job. The BLS total unemployment, discouraged worker (people who aren't working and have stopped looking for work) and underemployment rate is hovering around 9% nationwide. There's substantial geographical variation as well but finding specifics on that right now is 
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Jun 17, 2017 17:11
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Omne posted:So we hear alot about how unemployment is very low (like 4.5% or so), nearly full employment, and it's a buyers market for job seekers. Yet whenever I'm on LinkedIn, the # of people who have applied even to brand new (i.e. less than 24 hours) postings is near 50, sometimes 100. That to me sounds more like people are really trying hard to look and applying to everything. Primarily this is for product management/product marketing positions. I've seen it in TN, Chicago, multiple cities in Florida, California, NY, etc. Is this a case of already employed people just fishing for a better offer, or a sign that employment might not be as strong as thought? There are some people without there with bad resumes/qualifications. They end up unemployed for a long time (because nobody wants to hire them) and sending their resumes in desperation to any position they find remotely relevant. I bet at least half of those applications are not serious applications that will be considered.
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Jun 17, 2017 22:03
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LinkedIn also just registers an application if someone follows the link. Not necessarily if they actually submit an app
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Jun 18, 2017 01:03
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If I'm applying for a job where negotiating/influencing ability is one of the selection criteria, is it a bad idea to mention having successfully negotiated my salary up in my last two jobs? It's the most concrete example I can think of but I'm worried it'd make them pass me over for someone they think will work for less.
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Jun 18, 2017 15:13
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If they really want someone skilled at negotiating I don't think they're going to balk at having the person they select negotiate with them regarding salary. Think about it for a second.
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Jun 18, 2017 21:27
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Organza Quiz posted:If I'm applying for a job where negotiating/influencing ability is one of the selection criteria, is it a bad idea to mention having successfully negotiated my salary up in my last two jobs? It's the most concrete example I can think of but I'm worried it'd make them pass me over for someone they think will work for less. You're (hopefully) about to have to negotiate your own salary. You don't tell car salesmen you're good at negotiating, you just do it. I'd give another example, like vendor/supplier relationships or something.
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Jun 19, 2017 00:55
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Organza Quiz posted:If I'm applying for a job where negotiating/influencing ability is one of the selection criteria, is it a bad idea to mention having successfully negotiated my salary up in my last two jobs? It's the most concrete example I can think of but I'm worried it'd make them pass me over for someone they think will work for less. It's expected you'd negotiate your salary. I wouldn't brag about it.
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Jun 19, 2017 16:48
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No Butt Stuff posted:It's expected you'd negotiate your salary. I countered on my last job offer for something higher in the posted range. They said they'd call me back and never did.  On the plus side, they were hiring for the same position 2 months later, so that number two choice worked out swell for them.
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Jun 19, 2017 17:08
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Krispy Kareem posted:I countered on my last job offer for something higher in the posted range. They said they'd call me back and never did. Yeah, that's not a bad thing. If you weren't willing to work for what they offered, then it may be cool to have an offer, but it's not a usable one. If they spook by having a counter proposed, then I'd just take that as a sign of how their HR works.
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Jun 19, 2017 17:15
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No Butt Stuff posted:Yeah, that's not a bad thing. If you weren't willing to work for what they offered, then it may be cool to have an offer, but it's not a usable one. There are so many reasons that job would have been bad, so I definitely dodged a bullet. I wouldn't have minded getting paid while I looked for a better job, though. Which is what I'm guessing is exactly what the guy they picked did.
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Jun 19, 2017 17:26
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I'm worried that I'm leaning too heavily on One Thing! I just graduated from college a few weeks ago with my Bachelor's in medical anthropology. Most of my work experience through college wasn't very field-relevant - construction, food service, and farmers market sales. I kicked rear end in all those jobs and really enjoyed them, but they're not exactly A+ resume material. That said, I studied abroad in Jordan for four months and conducted a bunch of research (in Arabic!) with local city officials and outlying Bedouin populations. I wrote and distributed a few hundred surveys and interviewed a bunch of people in native Arabic, and I worked it all up in SPSS and presented it at my school's undergrad research conference. I'm proud as hell of that stuff. I've also been a volunteer medic for some local music festivals and had a lot of experience with clinical practices, but the Jordan research is the big thing. Going by, I guess, a rough percentage, how much "diversity" should I include in my resume accomplishments? I wanna tout the really exemplary stuff (my research work) but I don't want to sound like a one trick pony. Thanks to everyone contributing to this thread - it's an awesome resource. Is there a similar thread for cover letter advice? I looked in the first few pages and the mega thread listing but I'm phoneposting so I reckon I missed it somewhere.
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Jun 21, 2017 00:26
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Just got a phone call from a previous employer asking me to fly out to a city that's about 20% higher cost of living for a 3+ month project, with a higher level of responsibility than what I left with. They want "asap asap a-s-a-p." Oh boy. This might be some fun negotiating. Ally McBeal Wiki fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Jun 21, 2017 |
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Jun 21, 2017 03:13
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Sixto Lezcano posted:I'm worried that I'm leaning too heavily on One Thing! what kinds of jobs are you planning to apply to? you should probably have a couple versions of your resume - one targeted on your professional field, one targeted towards more general professional settings, etc.
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Jun 21, 2017 08:32
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:what kinds of jobs are you planning to apply to? Oh jeez I probably should have mentioned that! I'm applying for a lot of research coordinator/associate positions in a big city with a lot of healthcare companies and research institutes. Study design, participant communication, and data management. So the stuff I'm leaning on is, like, precisely what I'll be asked to do in those positions. After that post I went back and forth between cover letter writing and resume editing and ended up with what I think is a much better version of both. I found this post on the Ask a Manager site that someone linked earlier and it's super helpful, especially the way it discusses cover letters. Strongly recommend it to anyone else in here trying to really shape up their poo poo.
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Jun 21, 2017 16:21
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I have an interview Friday! Go me! But the recruiter gave me this "compensation information" form the likes of which I've not seen before. It's asking for a breakdown of my current pay, dates of the last and next expected increase, and details about the bonus plan, equity compensation (stock options), other non-scheduled bonuses, and other benefits my current employer gives me. Even though a lot of this is not applicable to me, I don't even know if it's a good idea to fill this out. This is for a systems analyst/business intelligence/senior computer janitor job, salaried, direct hire.
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Jun 21, 2017 22:31
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IMJack posted:Even though a lot of this is not applicable to me, I don't even know if it's a good idea to fill this out. Don't fill any of it out. It's rubbish, and it's an excuse for them to game their offer less based on what you make now. Ask them the range for the position, tell them whether that's appropriate and don't let them play games. (Unless you really need this job and your BATNA is unemployment, in that case, sorry).
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Jun 21, 2017 23:27
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So, how long does it usually take for people to get back to you after you send in an application? Been sending a lot out, but not hearing a lot back, other than rejections.
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Jun 21, 2017 23:52
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So I had an interview a skype interview with a recruiter, its a reputable company, and it went well and she said that at this point that I have to do one more interview with the hiring manager for the company and that she needed to speak with her to see when she would be able to schedule me in. That was over a week ago and I've had no contact from the recruiter since, she also told me that she would be speaking with the hiring manager that week to see when she could schedule an interview. I have tried calling, left a voicemail and emailing and no response, I'm pretty sure I've been blown off. I only ask because I have an interview coming up that I am certain I am a lock for but it's also for a job I hate and the pay is slightly worse. Is there any reason for a recruiter to just drop contact like this? I'm thinking about calling the corporate number and see if someone can connect me to her extension but I'm not sure thats a good idea. Covok posted:So, how long does it usually take for people to get back to you after you send in an application? Been sending a lot out, but not hearing a lot back, other than rejections. Too Poetic fucked around with this message at 12:39 on Jun 22, 2017 |
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Jun 22, 2017 11:38
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Id say youre doing them a favor by letting them know the clock is ticking and that if theyre interested they should poo poo or get off the pot. Theres lots of not-that-good-at-communication-despite-its-their-only-job recruiters
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Jun 22, 2017 14:25
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CarForumPoster posted:Id say youre doing them a favor by letting them know the clock is ticking and that if theyre interested they should poo poo or get off the pot. Theres lots of not-that-good-at-communication-despite-its-their-only-job recruiters
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Jun 22, 2017 16:54
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Sixto Lezcano posted:Oh jeez I probably should have mentioned that! At the very least, make sure to list that you're a native-fluent Arabic speaker and that you have experience with SPSS/statistical analysis software. Arabic skills are huge, and SPSS skills mean you could be trained on SAS (competing product, similar skillset) if that's what they use isntead. I'd put some context to it regardless, but those are both valuable skills to any number of companies/organizations, and they're the types of experience that few recent undergrads have.
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Jun 26, 2017 03:13
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A friend of mine is going for an internal role in his organisation. Apparently they like to throw this out as a curveball: "if you are not successful for the role who would you recommend for that position and why?" I was going to give my opinion when I realised I probably have no idea realistically what a good thing to say in this case would be. Personally I would happily identify and sing the praises of the person I felt was next best qualified and why. My friends position is to mention the qualities but not the person which I think is realistically a bad idea.
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Jun 27, 2017 10:55
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So I had an interview today and it didn't go very well at all (mostly because I have a cold and my head was full of fuzz instead of good answers) and now I'm having a dilemma about references. I can give them my boss from my previous job without any problems but I've only been at my current job for a few months. I do know one coworker who I could ask who I'm pretty sure would be cool with it and would be able to give me a good reference but I'm still wary of asking him when there's a significant chance I'm out of the running based on that interview and they won't be asking for my references in the first place. But I also don't want to be stuck scrambling to secretly ask him if they phone me tomorrow at work to ask for my references. Are they likely to be cool if they phone and I give them only one name? Or if I give them a name and ask them to wait a bit while I organise a reference from my current job? Is it even important to have a reference from this job that I've only been at for a few months compared to one I was at for over a year? Or should I just suck it up and ask my coworker now and deal with him knowing I applied for another job even if I am out of the running?
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Jun 29, 2017 14:30
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Organza Quiz posted:So I had an interview today and it didn't go very well at all (mostly because I have a cold and my head was full of fuzz instead of good answers) and now I'm having a dilemma about references. I can give them my boss from my previous job without any problems but I've only been at my current job for a few months. I do know one coworker who I could ask who I'm pretty sure would be cool with it and would be able to give me a good reference but I'm still wary of asking him when there's a significant chance I'm out of the running based on that interview and they won't be asking for my references in the first place. But I also don't want to be stuck scrambling to secretly ask him if they phone me tomorrow at work to ask for my references.
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Jun 29, 2017 15:23
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That's actually pretty easy, I guess I just assumed that you should have one from your current job. This is the first time I've applied for something without the current employer knowing about it (various unusual situations).
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So something a little different. How detailed is "safe" to be on a letter of resignation? The reasons I'm leaving have nothing to do with the company or anyone in it but I do feel a very strong need to put it in there. Is that taking things too far? Should I just stick to a standard template and be done?
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