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carticket
Jun 28, 2005

white and gold.

I am guessing a cyborg foot is not a practical option yet.

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gohuskies
Oct 23, 2010

I spend a lot of time making posts to justify why I'm not a self centered shithead that just wants to act like COVID isn't a thing.
I occasionally have foot/plantar pain but these exercises do a great job of keeping it away. If I do these once a week or more, pain pretty much stays away, and if pain does start, I do them daily and it goes away faster than if I don't. http://files.meetup.com/445445/footDrills.pdf

Splinter
Jul 4, 2003
Cowabunga!
I've been looking into cookware to go with my MicroRocket and am leaning toward MSR's aluminum/ceramic line (probably the 2.5L pot and the flex skillet). I plan on doing some actual cooking rather than just boiling water, so it seems like that rules out titanium. From what I can tell the MSR ceramic stuff looks like a good option for aluminum, but does any have actual experience with it or have suggestions for other options?

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?

Splinter posted:

I've been looking into cookware to go with my MicroRocket and am leaning toward MSR's aluminum/ceramic line (probably the 2.5L pot and the flex skillet). I plan on doing some actual cooking rather than just boiling water, so it seems like that rules out titanium. From what I can tell the MSR ceramic stuff looks like a good option for aluminum, but does any have actual experience with it or have suggestions for other options?

I have the trail lite duo kit and I really like it. I only bought the kit because that was the only way to get the ceramic pot at the time. The cups are heavy, bulky and unnecessary for me. Utensils are garbage. Lid, pot and bowls are all totally good though.

I really enjoy the pot, its light and non-stick without the worry of teflon coming off. It seems really durable (the coating) and is surprisingly non-stick and easy to clean. This replaced my stainless MSR alpine pot/lid so I noticed a weight savings for a larger pot thats easier to clean. I haven't done much frying in it so I can't speak to that. It is rather deep so it might not be easy to flip an egg or something. Bacon would need to be cut to smallish pieces. The frying pan would likely be much easier to use.

I'm surprised it took so long for someone to make a ceramic non stick cook set for backpacking.

Ethelinda Sapsea
Aug 11, 2006

Jesse Eisenberg fighting Michael Cera. It's supposed to be bundles of twigs topped with brillo pads

talktapes posted:

Beaver Brook Trail? Done the moose a few times but always by the boring rear end Gorge Brook/Carriage/Snapper loop, hoping to do Beaver Brook as an out and back this summer as it looks much more interesting. On the topic of camping in the Mahoosucs, I've never been up there but read it's mostly private or state owned land where camping is completely restricted outside of designated sites. Would love to do the notch as a dayhike but none of my friends want to do a car spot up there with me, I'd rather not bring a full pack through the notch and I'm not sure my sedan could handle Success Pond Rd in either case. Grafton Notch is supposed to be very nice, let us know how your trip went!

Also I highly recommend the Great Gulf Trail for any NE hikers. A lot of "wilderness" trails I've been on are just unblazed and a little overgrown, but as you get closer to the Washington headwall the Gulf trail gets a lot more wild than that with the trail literally going up waterfalls, slick rocks and active stream beds. Tons of cascades. Need decent route finding skills, but there was only one section that was a real head scratcher (the section between Spaulding Lake and the alpine zone). The headwall itself was fantastic, if I wasn't in such poor shape right now it would have been much easier with a day pack though. Only saw one couple hiking out after jumping off the AT from Pinkham, and there's zero cell reception down there, so you need to be comfortable with being fairly isolated in a pretty wild area. Thought it was pretty awesome, one of the better NH hikes I've been on.

Yeah, the AT follows Beaver Brook on the north side of Moosilauke. I approached on Glencliff trail which is boring as all hell, so Beaver Brook caught me by surprise. It's a lot of smooth exposed rock on the way down with the stream running directly over it in parts. There are wooden blocks driven into some of the faces, but it was pretty treacherous in the wet. There's a hilarious sign at the bottom of the trail that warns that it can be dangerous, but there's no sign at the top for overconfident NOBOs.


I just got back from my two day hike late last night. A friend and I parked on ME-26 in Grafton Notch and did an out-and-back overnight. We did 10 miles on Tuesday, climbing over Old Speck and Mahoosuc Arm, through Mahoosuc Notch, and up to Full Goose shelter for the night. We didn't set out until well after noon, so it was a pretty full day and we ended up night hiking a bit into the shelter. It was raining hard when we crossed Mahoosuc Notch the first time, so that made finding footings fun. Mahoosuc Arm is also more of a challenge then I remembered, but that could just be my current lack of conditioning.

There aren't any signs on the trails warning about private property and camping restrictions, so I'd have to do more research on that if I were planning on venturing off the established trails.











The first pic is from near the top of Mahoosuc Arm, the others are in the Notch. All the pics are from Wednesday since Tuesday was a little wet for photos.

Thanks for the tip on the Great Gulf trail! I've never even heard of that one, but it seems right up my alley. Not in a hurry to summit Washington again (been up there way too many times and I hate the tourist trap on top) but that sounds like a fun day or two of hiking.

bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug
Got my rear end kicked by Rainier yesterday. Had to turn around just above 11k because I felt like absolute dogs hit and knew there was no way I'd make it up and back down safely. I seriously underestimated the climb and realized just now that the approach with 4500 feet of gain in 4.2 miles is the most gain I've ever done in a single hike.

Gonna spend the next 10 months seriously hitting the hills (I live in PA) and come back next season and get to the top. It was quite a humbling experience but it's only galvanized me to really train for it. I was lucky to be climbing with two buddies he were totally understanding when I asked to turn back.

Bogan King
Jan 21, 2013

I'm not racist, I'm mates with Bangladesh, the guy who sells me kebabs. No, I don't know his real name.
Good on you for being smart and knowing your limits. Pro tier move that.

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



got any sevens posted:

I'm visiting Denver next week and thought I might do some day hikes in the area for a few days, should I get bear mace or anything special? Anyone know what the bugs are like this time of year? Would I be okay sleeping overnight with just a sleeping bag if I felt like it? I'm flying there first so I'm just bringing my water filter, no stove or tent or anything big.

Everything Verman just said.

Snowpack here is pretty high still but we're in runoff mode now so you'll be fine anywhere below 11k. The amount of day hikes is pretty much choose your own adventure. If you just want to stretch your legs there are a billion local parks in the foothills to do so: Matthews Winters, Lair o' the Bear, Three Sisters, Deer Creek Canyon, Apex, White Ranch, Chautauqua Park in Boulder, Eldorado Canyon State Park (fees apply for state parks), Golden Gate Canyon State Park, Staunton State Park, these are just the ones I can think of off the top of my head. The local parks won't offer camping, though some of the state parks, notably Golden Gate, will.

If you're more ambitious, we're now into prime peakbagging season. You could try for one of the easier 14ers. Mt. Bierstadt or Quandary Peak are good options. NB "easier" is a relative term here. You'll still gain 3000+ of elevation over 5-15 miles. Check the weather. Start early (6-ish), be off the top before noon.

Rocky Mountain National Park is loving gorgeous and worth the trip. The only caveat is no fires (at least not for dispersed camping) and you'll have to register at the backcountry office on the way up if you want to get a site. Most of the super premium spots will be taken. I haven't camped there since The Great Migration started, so ymmv.

Alternatively there's tons of options once you get into the national forests. Check the Roosevelt and Arapaho NF sites for better information. A buddy and I did a trip out by Missouri Lakes last year and that was an absolute blast.

As far as gear, yeah. It still gets down into the 30's and sometimes 20's at nights in the high county, weather depending. You'll want a good bag and a bivvy at least since — like Verman said — the weather can turn to poo poo in an instant. And it moves faster than people realize. A storm that looks an hour or two away could have you soaked inside of 20 minutes. The adage is: if you can see it, you're already in it.

No need to bear spray but bring yo' deet and a shitload of sunscreen. You're a mile closer to the sun, so slather that stuff on and reapply a few times during the day. If you do stay out overnight just be sure to hang your food.

Good luck, and have fun!

M.C. McMic
Nov 8, 2008

The Weight room
Is your friend

Alan_Shore posted:

Hammock: Hennessy Hyperlite. You might remember that I had a lot (a lot a LOT) of questions about drat hammocks. Well turns out with a little reading and the Becket Hitch, it's really not that complicated. However my experience with my hammock was definitely complicated.

I loved a lot of things about it. When it's done right, it's just wonderful. You'll never be upside down in the morning, or sliding around, or wake up in a puddle like I heard many people complain about on the trail. I was in a lot of rain storms and never got wet at all (plus the tarp can fill up water overnight). To pee you just unzip the bug net and stand up, job done. I could put lots of things in gear holder on the ridgeline. It was AMAZING to strap my phone to the ridgeline with elastic bands and watch movies at night. You can hang things on the lines.

That said it always took me a long time to fall asleep in it. Always. I'm a sidesleeper, and I toss and turn a fair bit. It was always difficult to fall asleep. But weirdly enough I didn't want to get out of bed in the morning because I was so warm and comfortable? Also, every night is different. You're always gonna have to set it up differently because the trees are different lengths apart, and are different widths. There were a lot of times I hosed it up and was uncomfortable all night. It was always a learning experience.

It was NOT faster than a tent. Or probably lighter. These new hyperlite tents people have now are crazy. I was always slower than people putting up a tent. The fastest I got was around 20 minutes, though I did have my huge tarp that had to be tied separately that added nearly 10 minutes to set up time (the included tarp I didn't bring would have been much faster, and I wish I had brought both). Oh, another positive was I heard people constantly complain about putting wet tents in their bags. Not me, baby! Hammock was always dry, tarp strapped to the top of my bag.

So in conclusion I don't really regret the hammock. I might not have slept well in a tent either. I wish I was a back sleeper. Who knows, man. WHO KNOWS.

I'm kind of worried about this. My wife and I are headed to RMNP in late August, and I don't know if I'll really be able to test my ability to sleep in a hammock before then. I'm a side sleeper for the most part too. I've thought about forcing myself to sleep on my back for the next couple of months.

I've set the hammock up and down a few times, and I can't really see how it could be slower than a tent. The very first time I ever set up the hammock (just the hammock) it took less than 5 min. Once you learn to scope out trees that are properly distanced, it takes like 3 min with practice... maybe 7-10 min with a tarp and underquilt.


Verman posted:

You should be fine without bear spray as there are only black bears in the area. Besides, you can't fly with mace so it would be an expensive thing to throw away when you leave.

Bugs can be all over the place. At higher elevations or where there's a breeze or if the temps drop you won't notice them as much.

It might still be a bit early but the rockies tend to get crazy afternoon thunderstorms during late summer, so I'm not sure if its too early or if they're starting already but its usually a pretty heavy downpour sometime in the afternoon, in my experience it lasted around 2 hours sometime between 12 and 4pm. Also, depending on where you go (I don't know what the snowpack was like out there this year) but there may still be a lot of snow on the trails depending on where you end up going, especially if you get up high in elevation. Basically the weather is very unreliable out there. I've been a few times between May (early) and September (prime time). On one trip I've seen 90º heat and 4" of snow within a day of one another. I've had bluebird skies and a whiteout on the same day in June. The thunderstorms roll in very quick. Just be prepared for the extremes if you decide to do an overnight. I wouldn't go into colorado with anything less than a 30º sleeping bag.

Also, I'm not sure what your plans are but consider hiking later in your trip. The elevation is no joke. I don't feel the elevation in Denver which is 5,280' above sea level but I definitely feel it at RMNP which starts at 8,500 ft. By acclimatizing in Denver for a day or two, you should be much less likely to feel the effects of the altitude. The first time I had the loss of appetite, shortness of breath, headache and trouble sleeping. Since then I have started trying to stay in Denver/Boulder a day or two prior to hiking, and sleeping low the first night on the trail. Each person is different though.

I will always recommend Wild Basin section of Rocky Mountain National Park, even if just for a day trip or a quick overnight. Its beautiful and you can find solitude out there.

heh, I bought bear spray before learning this. I figured it would be just like a gun, where you could check it. That was a waste of money.

My wife and I will be hiking and camping the Wild Basin area. I didn't really consider that there might be a lot of bugs. I'll bring some good spray. We're spending our first night in a lodge in Estes Park and then car camping for a night in Arapaho National Forest before heading into Wild Basin. I figured that would be plenty of time to acclimate before serious hiking.

We made our own tarps for this trip. Hopefully they hold up to the thunderstorms!

M.C. McMic fucked around with this message at 15:25 on Jun 30, 2017

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back

got any sevens posted:

I'm visiting Denver next week and thought I might do some day hikes in the area for a few days, should I get bear mace or anything special? Anyone know what the bugs are like this time of year? Would I be okay sleeping overnight with just a sleeping bag if I felt like it? I'm flying there first so I'm just bringing my water filter, no stove or tent or anything big.

You may want to check out some of the state parks. If you wanted to spend some money you could get a one room cabin or yurt for around $80. During our trip out west we stayed at Golden Gate Canyon State Park in a cabin. We loved it, and bonus points for being close to Boulder (we had fun on Pearl Street). I know when I looking for places to camp or get a cabin/yurt I saw tons of state parks all over Colorado.

For people from Colorado what is up with Black Hawk? It had several large looking casinos, but they looked to be empty. It almost felt abandoned.

Edit: Next week is the 4th so good luck with getting a site. You may just want to day hike and come back to your hotel,

nate fisher fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jun 30, 2017

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?

Dangerllama posted:

Everything Verman just said.

Rocky Mountain National Park is loving gorgeous and worth the trip. The only caveat is no fires (at least not for dispersed camping) and you'll have to register at the backcountry office on the way up if you want to get a site. Most of the super premium spots will be taken. I haven't camped there since The Great Migration started, so ymmv.

Alternatively there's tons of options once you get into the national forests. Check the Roosevelt and Arapaho NF sites for better information. A buddy and I did a trip out by Missouri Lakes last year and that was an absolute blast.

No need to bear spray but bring yo' deet and a shitload of sunscreen. You're a mile closer to the sun, so slather that stuff on and reapply a few times during the day. If you do stay out overnight just be sure to hang your food.

Good luck, and have fun!

A few things I forgot

SUNSCREEN - Ensure its broad spectrum and higher spf (30-40). The sun is no joke when you're 2 miles closer to it. I prefer liquid/lotion as it seems to cover thicker than aerosol. Sweatproof might be nice. Don't forget your ears, behind your ears, tops of your knees and back of your calves/achilles.

reservations To add to this, if you plan to overnight at RMNP, you will need to get overnight permits from the ranger station and make reservations for specific sites on specific nights. Walk in permits are rarely available or you will have to be incredibly flexible depending on whats available. It can get crazy busy so try to make reservations as soon as possible. It sucks and that's one of my least favorite parts of the park but it ensures that there aren't tons of people camping on the trail. The easiest thing to do is to call the RMNP ranger station before you leave and tell them what you want to do and see if anything is available in the area you want. They are also good at suggesting places based on whats available and they'll know the conditions of the trails etc.

bear canisters The other thing is that if you are backcountry camping in the park, they enforce the use of bear canisters. Hanging food isn't (legally) an option. The few times I've been there the rangers made us bring it in for inspection before they would issue our permits. A group in the station at the same time as us got denied permits because they didn't have one and the ranger station didin't have any. When we landed in Denver, we still had to pick up stove fuel and a bear canister which we reserved at the REI in Boulder. I just always assume most NPs don't rent bear canisters or are all out.

recomendations
Ouzel lake is beautiful but could be buggy and the pine beetles really did a number in that area so theres a lot of standing dead trees. Wind would come howling at night and you would just hear dead trees falling all night long. Try to set up camp so you're not within striking distance if possible. It might be too early in the season to make it up to some of the higher camps (upper ouzel, bluebird etc)

Never been to pair/finch lakes but that seemed like one of the least popular places when we went.

Thunder lake is awesome. Its nice because you have a scrambling opportunity to get up to the boulder grand pass and then ridgewalk to nearby peaks but that might not be an option yet. Its steep (class 3) and requires all hands/feet at times so if there's any snow/ice I wouldn't try it. Lake of many winds is a cool side trip from Thunder Lake but man it is true to its name.

Goddam it, I want to get back to Colorado now but its hard to justify flying to hike when I just moved to Seattle 2 years ago and have so much to see out here.

Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel

got any sevens posted:

I'm visiting Denver next week and thought I might do some day hikes in the area for a few days, should I get bear mace or anything special? Anyone know what the bugs are like this time of year? Would I be okay sleeping overnight with just a sleeping bag if I felt like it? I'm flying there first so I'm just bringing my water filter, no stove or tent or anything big.

I carry bear spray with me when I am hiking in bear country by myself. If you are with other people I wouldn't bother for black bears.

quote:

Got my rear end kicked by Rainier yesterday. Had to turn around just above 11k because I felt like absolute dogs hit and knew there was no way I'd make it up and back down safely. I seriously underestimated the climb and realized just now that the approach with 4500 feet of gain in 4.2 miles is the most gain I've ever done in a single hike.

Gonna spend the next 10 months seriously hitting the hills (I live in PA) and come back next season and get to the top. It was quite a humbling experience but it's only galvanized me to really train for it. I was lucky to be climbing with two buddies he were totally understanding when I asked to turn back.
What approach/route were you taking? Muir to cleaver I am assuming (hoping)?

Cheesemaster200 fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Jul 3, 2017

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
Thanks for the tips, just got to Denver and I'm gonna check out museums/ballgames the next few days to acclimate. Gotta be back in Seattle in a week anyway so might only have time for 1 nearby hike.



^ you still have bigger balls than me for attempting Rainier, I've never even considered that challenge.

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



Oh, go checkout Red Rocks. It's open to the public during the day. Hiking the stairs will give you a good sense of how your body is reacting to the altitude. Plus the view is pretty nice.

waffle enthusiast fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Jul 3, 2017

bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug

Cheesemaster200 posted:

I carry bear spray with me when I am hiking in bear country by myself. If you are with other people I wouldn't bother for black bears.

What approach/route were you taking? Muir to cleaver I am assuming (hoping)?

Yeah, DC route. I spent a few weeks at altitude in the Andes in January so in my head 14k was no big deal but I also had way more time to acclimate. It hit me hard this time and my training (for tris) just totally lacked the necessary specificity for mountaineering, which was a mistake of pure hubris.

It was a beautiful place and I can't wait to go back.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Dangerllama posted:

Oh, go checkout Red Rocks. It's open to the public during the day. Hiking the stairs will give you a good sense of how your body is reacting to the altitude. Plus the view is pretty nice.

Is that the "red rocks" in Boulder? A lot of stuff around Denver is named red rocks

Ethelinda Sapsea
Aug 11, 2006

Jesse Eisenberg fighting Michael Cera. It's supposed to be bundles of twigs topped with brillo pads
Red Rocks amphitheatre. It's a concert venue just west of Denver.

Ropes4u
May 2, 2009

Red Rocks Amphitheater crushes the weak or anyone not acclimated to the altitude.

Source was crushed the first time there.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!

bonds0097 posted:

Got my rear end kicked by Rainier yesterday. Had to turn around just above 11k because I felt like absolute dogs hit and knew there was no way I'd make it up and back down safely. I seriously underestimated the climb and realized just now that the approach with 4500 feet of gain in 4.2 miles is the most gain I've ever done in a single hike.
I'd like to know more about this as well. Sleeping at Miur with a morning ascent or something else?

Part of me thinks I should be able to do Rainier easily. I've done 5800ft (at least) in some snow over 7--8mi, followed by the descent (and have done Mailbox and Si on the same day) so I should be able to manage the energy transfer, and I have a sleeping pattern that makes it easy enough to get up at 1am. Buuuuut, it's Rainier. :ohdear: And there's the matter of all the extra gear. And the lack of oxygen.

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

Ropes4u posted:

Red Rocks Amphitheater crushes the weak or anyone not acclimated to the altitude.

Source was crushed the first time there.

The number of people who use it for workouts is both amazing and annoying. I dont' remember getting killed by the altitude but I wasn't trying to run the seats either

Verman
Jul 4, 2005
Third time is a charm right?
Its funny how peoples bodies are completely different.

Denver and Boulder don't seem to bother me at all. Even hiking around Red Rocks wasn't noticeable. When I was up around 8-9k feet was when I noticed that it took more effort to get a breath and I was slower and easily exhausted. Even now when I'm out hiking here in Washington, I'll drive out of Seattle (sea level), we can hike up to 6-7k feet and I don't notice any effects of the altitude. But every time I went to Colorado it was near 9k feet that would kick my rear end every time.

Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel

bonds0097 posted:

Yeah, DC route. I spent a few weeks at altitude in the Andes in January so in my head 14k was no big deal but I also had way more time to acclimate. It hit me hard this time and my training (for tris) just totally lacked the necessary specificity for mountaineering, which was a mistake of pure hubris.

It was a beautiful place and I can't wait to go back.

Do you have experience with glacier climbing? Unless you have a lot of it underneath your belt, I wouldn't try the ascent on a whim; and I assuredly wouldn't recommend a solo trip above Muir unless your last name is Viesturs. I climbed a few years back with some people I shared a helicopter with in Nepal (long story), and we all had some previous high altitude glacier experience. Even then, we spent two nights acclimatizing and loving around on the Nisqualy and Ingraham glaciers with crevasse rescue, etc. Up to the top of the cleaver is easy enough due to the conga line of RMI groups along side, but above there you can get into trouble when everyone thins out; especially if that year's route is weird and the weather isn't cooperating.

The problem with high altitude glacier travel is that you need to concentrate on your form a lot. You don't have the same allowable range of motion with your steps and crampons, and you need to mind where you are putting your feet, your axe, and where the rope is relative to all these things. Add to this that your mind is loopy due to the altitude, you are exhausted, cold and you can't see poo poo due to the darkness, etc. It is a much different animal to hiking.

However, I find it quite rewarding so let me know if you want some tips! Nobody ever talks about it in this thread.

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME
8k seems to be about where people start having altitude issues with just walking around on strenuous hiking

4K or so and I think it's hard to do strenuous activity if you're not used to it

bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug

PhantomOfTheCopier posted:

I'd like to know more about this as well. Sleeping at Miur with a morning ascent or something else?

Part of me thinks I should be able to do Rainier easily. I've done 5800ft (at least) in some snow over 7--8mi, followed by the descent (and have done Mailbox and Si on the same day) so I should be able to manage the energy transfer, and I have a sleeping pattern that makes it easy enough to get up at 1am. Buuuuut, it's Rainier. :ohdear: And there's the matter of all the extra gear. And the lack of oxygen.

We hiked up to Muir from Paradise and got to Muir at about 1 PM. 4.2 miles w/ about 4500 feet of climb and 50+ pack (I shafted myself and got the tent and the rope). Tried to get some sleep but it's hot as balls until around 8 PM and bright as gently caress until around 9:30 PM. So basically tossed and turned until we got back up at 11:30 PM. I couldn't managed to get any food down and we set off right around 12:30 AM.

Cheesemaster200 posted:

Do you have experience with glacier climbing? Unless you have a lot of it underneath your belt, I wouldn't try the ascent on a whim; and I assuredly wouldn't recommend a solo trip above Muir unless your last name is Viesturs. I climbed a few years back with some people I shared a helicopter with in Nepal (long story), and we all had some previous high altitude glacier experience. Even then, we spent two nights acclimatizing and loving around on the Nisqualy and Ingraham glaciers with crevasse rescue, etc. Up to the top of the cleaver is easy enough due to the conga line of RMI groups along side, but above there you can get into trouble when everyone thins out; especially if that year's route is weird and the weather isn't cooperating.

The problem with high altitude glacier travel is that you need to concentrate on your form a lot. You don't have the same allowable range of motion with your steps and crampons, and you need to mind where you are putting your feet, your axe, and where the rope is relative to all these things. Add to this that your mind is loopy due to the altitude, you are exhausted, cold and you can't see poo poo due to the darkness, etc. It is a much different animal to hiking.

However, I find it quite rewarding so let me know if you want some tips! Nobody ever talks about it in this thread.

I mean, this wasn't on a whim, it was a planned trip. I just didn't train properly for it in retrospect. There were 3 of us on the rope team. We all met in Argentina during our 3 week mountaineering course and decided to try Rainier together.

I'm comfortable on a rope team and w/ crevasse rescue and glacier travel in general. But without as much time to acclimate to altitude, I was feeling pretty poo poo and I didn't have sufficient fitness built up to push through it safely and carry me through. I'm reasonably certain I could have made it to the summit. I don't think I would have made it down, with the dizziness, nausea and sun start to create sloppier conditions.

We will probably try again next May and try an early season Ingraham Direct ascent. And this time we'll stay a full night at Ingraham Flats to recover from the approach and then head to the top the following night on fresher legs and hopefully having worked a bit of the altitude off.

I'm really glad I did it and it was a great learning experience. I won't underestimate a second time and plan on making sure I'm as prepared as possible for round 2.

Cheesemaster200
Feb 11, 2004

Guard of the Citadel

bonds0097 posted:

We hiked up to Muir from Paradise and got to Muir at about 1 PM. 4.2 miles w/ about 4500 feet of climb and 50+ pack (I shafted myself and got the tent and the rope). Tried to get some sleep but it's hot as balls until around 8 PM and bright as gently caress until around 9:30 PM. So basically tossed and turned until we got back up at 11:30 PM. I couldn't managed to get any food down and we set off right around 12:30 AM.


I mean, this wasn't on a whim, it was a planned trip. I just didn't train properly for it in retrospect. There were 3 of us on the rope team. We all met in Argentina during our 3 week mountaineering course and decided to try Rainier together.

I'm comfortable on a rope team and w/ crevasse rescue and glacier travel in general. But without as much time to acclimate to altitude, I was feeling pretty poo poo and I didn't have sufficient fitness built up to push through it safely and carry me through. I'm reasonably certain I could have made it to the summit. I don't think I would have made it down, with the dizziness, nausea and sun start to create sloppier conditions.

We will probably try again next May and try an early season Ingraham Direct ascent. And this time we'll stay a full night at Ingraham Flats to recover from the approach and then head to the top the following night on fresher legs and hopefully having worked a bit of the altitude off.

I'm really glad I did it and it was a great learning experience. I won't underestimate a second time and plan on making sure I'm as prepared as possible for round 2.

Okay good, you previously made it sound like you just showed up on Rainier and started walking up; which made me kind of worried.

Personally, I would just spend two nights at Muir. Trucking up through the cathedral gap with your camp seems like a pain in the rear end. I found that part of the climb a good warm-up anyway, and the easiest part of the descent. Do a quick morning hike the first day up to Ingraham to practice and then head back to rest and acclimatize. Muir also has the dried poo poo toilets; which always beats a blue bag. The entire mountain turns into a slopfest once the sun comes out in the summer. It makes the decent down the cleaver rather harrowing.

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We hiked up to Muir from Paradise and got to Muir at about 1 PM. 4.2 miles w/ about 4500 feet of climb and 50+ pack (I shafted myself and got the tent and the rope). Tried to get some sleep but it's hot as balls until around 8 PM and bright as gently caress until around 9:30 PM. So basically tossed and turned until we got back up at 11:30 PM. I couldn't managed to get any food down and we set off right around 12:30 AM.
"Its just right there"
- Hiking up the Muir Snowfield

bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug

Cheesemaster200 posted:

"Its just right there"
- Hiking up the Muir Snowfield

This, so much.

gohuskies
Oct 23, 2010

I spend a lot of time making posts to justify why I'm not a self centered shithead that just wants to act like COVID isn't a thing.

bonds0097 posted:

We hiked up to Muir from Paradise and got to Muir at about 1 PM. 4.2 miles w/ about 4500 feet of climb and 50+ pack (I shafted myself and got the tent and the rope). Tried to get some sleep but it's hot as balls until around 8 PM and bright as gently caress until around 9:30 PM. So basically tossed and turned until we got back up at 11:30 PM. I couldn't managed to get any food down and we set off right around 12:30 AM.


I mean, this wasn't on a whim, it was a planned trip. I just didn't train properly for it in retrospect. There were 3 of us on the rope team. We all met in Argentina during our 3 week mountaineering course and decided to try Rainier together.

I'm comfortable on a rope team and w/ crevasse rescue and glacier travel in general. But without as much time to acclimate to altitude, I was feeling pretty poo poo and I didn't have sufficient fitness built up to push through it safely and carry me through. I'm reasonably certain I could have made it to the summit. I don't think I would have made it down, with the dizziness, nausea and sun start to create sloppier conditions.

We will probably try again next May and try an early season Ingraham Direct ascent. And this time we'll stay a full night at Ingraham Flats to recover from the approach and then head to the top the following night on fresher legs and hopefully having worked a bit of the altitude off.

I'm really glad I did it and it was a great learning experience. I won't underestimate a second time and plan on making sure I'm as prepared as possible for round 2.

2 nights isn't a good idea for Rainier in May - the weather is less predictable and generally worse earlier in the season. You don't get fat weather windows in May like you do in July and August. May attempts are most consistently successful when people can wait around for a good looking window and blast up fast while it's open. If you're scheduling it well ahead of time and planning on taking a lot of time on route (not a bad plan in general), I'd recommend the traditional July/August period, even if the mountain is more crowded and you have to walk up the loose rock of the cleaver.

bonds0097
Oct 23, 2010

I would cry but I don't think I can spare the moisture.
Pillbug

gohuskies posted:

2 nights isn't a good idea for Rainier in May - the weather is less predictable and generally worse earlier in the season. You don't get fat weather windows in May like you do in July and August. May attempts are most consistently successful when people can wait around for a good looking window and blast up fast while it's open. If you're scheduling it well ahead of time and planning on taking a lot of time on route (not a bad plan in general), I'd recommend the traditional July/August period, even if the mountain is more crowded and you have to walk up the loose rock of the cleaver.

Ah, that's good advice, thanks.

ploots
Mar 19, 2010
Seattle goons, recommend me a hike. I'm going to hike Half Dome with some friends at the end of August: 16 miles, 4800 feet of elevation gain, and too much time in the sun. My girlfriend and I did Si and Mailbox this weekend without too much trouble, what day hikes would you recommend to build up to the Half Dome stats? We climb regularly so I'm not worried about dealing with the chains section.

lavaca
Jun 11, 2010

Electoral Surgery posted:

Seattle goons, recommend me a hike. I'm going to hike Half Dome with some friends at the end of August: 16 miles, 4800 feet of elevation gain, and too much time in the sun. My girlfriend and I did Si and Mailbox this weekend without too much trouble, what day hikes would you recommend to build up to the Half Dome stats? We climb regularly so I'm not worried about dealing with the chains section.

The really tough stuff is off Highway 20, near Leavenworth or north of Lake Chelan. Crater Mountain has something like 5,000 feet of elevation gain in 14 miles. Stiletto Peak and Sahale Arm both gain about 4000 feet in 12-14 miles. Sourdough Mountain is sort of a bigger version of Mt Si with a much more impressive view from the top. You could also try Mt. David, Snow Lakes or most of the hikes in the Sawtooth Range. If that sounds like too much driving, you could try stringing together multiple trails near Stevens Pass or east of the Mountain Loop Highway.

PhantomOfTheCopier
Aug 13, 2008

Pikabooze!
For I90 hikes, only 5kft over 16mi is rather flat. A loop on the west side of Tigger can cover 4900ft in 12.5mi. Zig Zag to Hall Pk, Mt Washington, and Change Pk is 5kft over 17.5mi. Talapus to Melakwa is 4800ft at 17.1mi RT. PCT past Kendall Katwalk to Alaska Mt is 5kft at 17mi RT. Ira Spring to Pratt Mt and Defiance is 5800ft at 14mi RT. Snow Lake through to Wildcat is close. By themselves, either Bessemer or McDonald will be around 14mi.

Jorge Von Bacon
Nov 1, 2010
Thinking about getting a new tent. For occasional casual camping, usually car based, for two people in the northeast, what are the best price to quality tents?

Currently looking at REI as well as some of the stuff posted recently from tarp tents and others.

ploots
Mar 19, 2010
The REI quarter dome 2 is popular for good reason.

I have a kelty TN2 that I'm happy with, it fits two people well without being too heavy or cumbersome.

Dukket
Apr 28, 2007
So I says to her, I says “LADY, that ain't OIL, its DIRT!!”
Hello!

Next September we're attending a wedding in SW Vermont and figured we would try to fit in a backpacking trip - a week or more, while we’re out that way. Our preference (not requirement) would be to see as few people as possible, which makes me assume the AT is not the best option.

We’re in Chicago so most of our camping/bping has been MI and WI with some time in the Smokies and out west as well. Just not that familiar with the east


Thoughts, AT or other?

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back

Jorge Von Bacon posted:

Thinking about getting a new tent. For occasional casual camping, usually car based, for two people in the northeast, what are the best price to quality tents?

Currently looking at REI as well as some of the stuff posted recently from tarp tents and others.

Warning this advice is only for car camping and not on a strict budget: Go up a size. I use to use a 2 person tent for 2 people, 4 person tent for 4 people. Then I started to use my 4 person tent for just me and my wife, and a 6 person tent when we had 4 people. It is one of the best changes I made. The extra room just made everything a more pleasant experience.

I am not much help on which tent to get. I currently have a Sierra Designs Bedouin 4, but it is no longer being made. I would look at the REI Half Dome 4, REI Base Camp 4 (if you want more height), or Kelty (they have tons of cheaper options).


nate fisher fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Jul 5, 2017

George H.W. Cunt
Oct 6, 2010





Kelly trail ridge 2 is actually pretty spacious and reasonably priced. I like mine a lot for car camping.

Ethelinda Sapsea
Aug 11, 2006

Jesse Eisenberg fighting Michael Cera. It's supposed to be bundles of twigs topped with brillo pads
I agree on buying a bigger tent for 2 people, but I've always found a 3 person to be plenty big. I currently use an older REI quarter dome 3 person for me and my wife, or when I'm sharing a tent with a friend. But I do backpacking trips with it. If size and weight were no object I'd probably just get a cheap Eureka or North Face tent and call it a day.

waffle enthusiast
Nov 16, 2007



Just be careful about REI's warranty. Since they switched to their one-year return policy on all items that's also their warranty term*. After a year, if your tent breaks for any reason, it's on you. Most other tent companies seem to have a more robust warranty on their fabrics and whatnot.

Also seconding the advice to size up. There's no reason not to be at +2 when car camping.

*I say this after having just picked up a Basecamp 6 for car camping with the kids.

nate fisher
Mar 3, 2004

We've Got To Go Back

Dangerllama posted:

*I say this after having just picked up a Basecamp 6 for car camping with the kids.

Why not the Kingdom 6? I am just asking cause I've debating between the 2 for a new 6 person tent.

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BRAKE FOR MOOSE
Jun 6, 2001

I use the Half Dome 4 as my car camping two-person tent and it is excellent.

Dukket posted:

Hello!

Next September we're attending a wedding in SW Vermont and figured we would try to fit in a backpacking trip - a week or more, while we’re out that way. Our preference (not requirement) would be to see as few people as possible, which makes me assume the AT is not the best option.

We’re in Chicago so most of our camping/bping has been MI and WI with some time in the Smokies and out west as well. Just not that familiar with the east


Thoughts, AT or other?

The Long Trail north of the AT would be good for that, but be warned you're likely gonna be really, really slow if you're only used to the midwest.

BRAKE FOR MOOSE fucked around with this message at 17:48 on Jul 5, 2017

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