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tesilential posted:Bro hate all you want but being Conor mcgregor freshly off a knockout loss to mayweather is def less humiliating than posting on something awful dot com irl, lol Yeah, but no one reads this poo poo. At least a couple of people will watch McGregor flail around like an idiot. It's weird that anyone is thinking that anyone other than Dana 'cutting the entirety of AKA for video game likenesses' White is being a stubborn, pigheaded idiot.
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Snowman_McK posted:According to DJ, he wouldn't get PPV points, that was one of the reasons he turned it down. quote:The UFC did promise to give him pay-per-view points against Dillashaw. But Johnson doesn’t plan on backing down. He believes he’s doing the right thing for himself, the division and the sport, trying to make the rankings matter. quote:Dana and Sean have told me that they have no interest in marketing me or the smaller divisions, so when they say that I will make PPV money vs. Dillashaw, they leave out the fact that I have to hit certain numbers of buys, which will not be hit if they fail in marketing me like they have in my previous fights.
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Jun 30, 2017 03:20
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Snowman_McK posted:According to DJ, he wouldn't get PPV points, that was one of the reasons he turned it down. Also he agreed to fight TJ, on the condition that he still gets paid if TJ fails to make weight and the fight is cancelled.
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Ah. I misremembered. Fair enough. Still, doing it for performance based bonuses that are largely dependent on the employer are bullshit. That's true whether it's retail or professional fighting. Promising PPV points to a fighter you refuse to promote is essentially promising money you know you won't have to pay. "There's a guaranteed bonus if TJ Dillawshaw turns into a dragon more than 36 hours but less than 48 hours before the fight." This thread: loving DUCK, JUST TAKE THE DEAL, YOU CAN GET A BONUS. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Rigel posted:Also he agreed to fight TJ, on the condition that he still gets paid if TJ fails to make weight and the fight is cancelled. Also TJ agreed these terms but I don't know legally if they stand up or what: quote:Asked about DJ's request/demand that he receive full pay and Dillashaw's purse in case weight is missed - TJ states he has no problem with this, is happy to include the clauses and he has no doubts about making the flyweight limit. Says the clause won't mean anything. Later in the interview TJ happily says he will personally pay Demetrious if he misses weight, "no problem". Snowman_McK posted:Still, doing it for performance based bonuses that are largely dependent on the employer are bullshit. That's true whether it's retail or professional fighting. Promising PPV points to a fighter you refuse to promote is essentially promising money you know you won't have to pay. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-R2p6DdK8M
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UFC tried to market jones as the good guy. Jones pretended to be Demetrius Johnson to make more money. He didnt really become a big star either like they wanted, roughly 2x the size of mm...
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tesilential posted:It's easy. P4p #1 DJ would be an underdog to Cody at 135. Less intrigue. It would be champion v champion, he would become a 2x champ, it would further cement his "best p4p" claim and it would be a way more impressive win that TJ. That's pretty drat intriguing.
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Jun 30, 2017 03:41
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:Also TJ agreed these terms but I don't know legally if they stand up or what: The UFC told DJ that if TJ failed to make weight, he'd fight Borg. So, they aren't confident enough in TJ's ability to make weight to offer a guarantee, and DJ didn't want to prepare to fight 2 opponents.
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Rigel posted:The UFC told DJ that if TJ failed to make weight, he'd fight Borg. So, they aren't confident enough in TJ's ability to make weight to offer a guarantee, and DJ didn't want to prepare to fight 2 opponents. Right, but there are some legal questions about a clause that says "if I don't make weight, my opponent gets all my money and I fight for free" so that is probably why they didn't try to make that guarantee anyway. Also if DJ wanted to make some real money, he'd agree to all that anyway and if TJ didn't make weight, they'd offer him Borg and he'd be like "nah" until they backed up a truck of money to his house.
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Jun 30, 2017 03:57
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:hey'd offer him Borg and he'd be like "nah" until they backed up a truck of money to his house. You know they'd just cancel the fight rather than pay him any more right?
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Jun 30, 2017 04:20
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Hahaha holy poo poo. https://twitter.com/nfldraftinsider/status/880599619608203265
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Jun 30, 2017 04:26
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That guy on the left is a dumb rear end, he's just punching that balloon a bunch of times in a row... Conor only has to punch you once.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:Right, but there are some legal questions about a clause that says "if I don't make weight, my opponent gets all my money and I fight for free" so that is probably why they didn't try to make that guarantee anyway. Also if DJ wanted to make some real money, he'd agree to all that anyway and if TJ didn't make weight, they'd offer him Borg and he'd be like "nah" until they backed up a truck of money to his house. I don't see the confusion. If you fail to make weight, your opponent always has the right to decline the bout, and then you don't get paid poo poo. What DJ wanted was a guarantee that if TJ failed to make weight, as he suspected, then DJ would still get paid under his contract even if he refuses to fight at a catchweight. TJ is not entitled to poo poo if he fails to make weight, these catchweight bouts only happen when the opponent says "ok fine, damnit, I'll take the 20% bribe, lets fight". Things are different for DJ when he's looking at both a title fight and a record-breaking title defense hanging on TJ's ability to make 125
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DJ should have taken the Dillashaw fight. It's not right they screw him and that they're basically his puppet masters but not taking it, reasons justifiable as they are, makes him look like a wuss who only wants his record.
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Josuke Higashikata posted:DJ should have taken the Dillashaw fight. Hey, if that becomes the consensus about him, at least, now, there is a consensus about him. Instead of the general public being unsure that he exists. Also, the people that hate him (who are bizarrely numerous and vocal) didn't need this to hate him. This just becomes the latest thing they finish the sentence 'I was beginning to respect him until X' with. As if, if this hadn't happened, they would totally be a fan now. Snowman_McK fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 06:38
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I was beginning to respect DJ until he stood in a tenpin formation with nine other flyweights and was knocked down by a bowling ball thrown by Sam Alvey
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http://www.ufc.com/news/UFC-statement-on-potential-Nick-Diaz-anti-doping-violationquote:The UFC organization has been notified that the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency (USADA) has informed Nick Diaz of a potential Anti-Doping Policy violation stemming from Diaz’s alleged accumulation of three Whereabouts Failures within a 12-month period. Diaz, like all other UFC athletes, is enrolled in USADA’s UFC Registered Testing Pool and required to file accurate Whereabouts information in order to be located for out-of-competition, no-notice testing.
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Jun 30, 2017 07:08
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Lol are we really surprised here? Diaz gonna Diaz...
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If I had known that "whereabouts failures" existed before just now, I would have never expected Nick to fight ever again.
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[standing outside the back door at a children's party to slap nick diaz on the back and hand him a water bottle and a towel as he runs away from nothing in particular for no reason]
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Le Saboteur posted:Hahaha holy poo poo. https://twitter.com/nfldraftinsider/status/880599619608203265 This may weather guy seems good at boxing
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Jun 30, 2017 08:04
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Where you at Georges?!
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From talking with Nick, he doesn't give a fuuuuuck. And is trying to find a sponsor for his next triathlon
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Rigel posted:I don't see the confusion. If you fail to make weight, your opponent always has the right to decline the bout, and then you don't get paid poo poo. What DJ wanted was a guarantee that if TJ failed to make weight, as he suspected, then DJ would still get paid under his contract even if he refuses to fight at a catchweight. TJ is not entitled to poo poo if he fails to make weight, these catchweight bouts only happen when the opponent says "ok fine, damnit, I'll take the 20% bribe, lets fight". Things are different for DJ when he's looking at both a title fight and a record-breaking title defense hanging on TJ's ability to make 125 What DJ wants is both his and TJ's purse if TJ fails to make weight. What if TJ doesn't make weight, then doesn't want to fight? Without getting into compelling specific performance laws or legal consideration, the UFC is paying out for 2 fighters and getting 0 fights. Is the commission going to sanction a fight where only one party gets paid? Traditional combat sports contracts have a show and win reward to incentivize both sides to perform, and without either TJ could just tap out at 4:59 of round 1 and be no less richer, and it is the commission's duty to ensure that all contestants compete honestly and to the best of their skill and ability. Also the UFC is wary of adding a lot of this weird stuff to its existing contracts for one-off bouts because they want them to be scrutinized as little as possible.
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:What if TJ doesn't make weight, then doesn't want to fight? Without getting into compelling specific performance laws or legal consideration, the UFC is paying out for 2 fighters and getting 0 fights. should have thought about that before treating a guy like a joke both monetarily and actually for several years. hell, i'm down with bullying a guy who is 5'3 and most women as long as they're not much taller, but turning into a whiny bitch when they don't do you favors is some poo poo i just cannot respect
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Based on their entire histories, Borg has a way better chance of missing weight than TJ. Funny how MM doesn't need any special contingencies to fight him for his record breaking fight.
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Look guys, I get it. You want the dweeb whose been stepped on his whole life to get a win over the Man. I was never a big Anderson fan, and always wanted MM to break the record, but not like this. Not Ray Borg. whatev tho, not my stylo but props to MM for the elite ducking
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DumbWhiteGuy posted:What DJ wants is both his and TJ's purse if TJ fails to make weight. That's just a stupid and unreasonable request; even if TJ did verbally agree to it. Also, TJ is a disciplined professional that I wouldn't worry about in the least about making 125. You know deep down DJ knows this too. I understand he wants to get paid more; but gently caress dude no one is going to watch you fight some guy again. It is what it is. He gets what he wants; break an absolutely pointless title record against create-a-fighter. No one will even remember his dumb record.
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tesilential posted:Based on their entire histories, Borg has a way better chance of missing weight than TJ. well, he doesn't really need one since borg is a legitimate contender at 125, and mm was already forced into agreeing to this fight under his usual conditions.
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Auron posted:That's just a stupid and unreasonable request; even if TJ did verbally agree to it. Also, TJ is a disciplined professional that I wouldn't worry about in the least about making 125. You know deep down DJ knows this too. I understand he wants to get paid more; but gently caress dude no one is going to watch you fight some guy again. you know what else is a stupid, unreasonable request? here, fight this guy who is neither a champion, nor in your division, and if he misses weight, fight this other guy. no we're not giving you anything extra.
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Marching Powder posted:you know what else is a stupid, unreasonable request? here, fight this guy who is neither a champion, nor in your division, and if he misses weight, fight this other guy. no we're not giving you anything extra. also stupid and unreasonable: "I can't even draw on free tv so please pay me more to make people pay to watch me"
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Marching Powder posted:well, he doesn't really need one since borg is a legitimate contender at 125, and mm was already forced into agreeing to this fight under his usual conditions. This is the bit that people keep conveniently forgetting, causing this discussion to become an agonizing circle. So anyway... when are our next fights? Friday? Oh hey the other Johnson is fighting Justin Gatchy. And Ed Herman vs C.B. Dollaway, in what is basically a parody of a prelim middleweight fight. And Teruto is fighting Gray Maynard.
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sportsgenius86 posted:also stupid and unreasonable: "I can't even draw on free tv so please pay me more to make people pay to watch me" he never did this. the fight with borg was at his usual pay and conditions, and the fight with tj would have been at this usual pay and conditions if they'd just agreed to insure that he made weight. they couldn't even do that so lol, good.
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Marching Powder posted:he never did this. the fight with borg was at his usual pay and conditions, and the fight with tj would have been at this usual pay and conditions if they'd just agreed to insure that he made weight. they couldn't even do that so lol, good. "Don't ruin this for TJ!!  " was my favourite part
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Marching Powder posted:you know what else is a stupid, unreasonable request? here, fight this guy who is neither a champion, nor in your division, and if he misses weight, fight this other guy. no we're not giving you anything extra. LOL, here fight a name that people know who is a former champion who WILL make weight! They were going to give him PPV points. Whether or not he would have actually made them would have depended on the PPV he was put on. I do agree the whole train for two fights thing was stupid. His reasons for ducking only hurt himself further.
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Auron posted:LOL, here fight a name that people know who is a former champion who WILL make weight! They were going to give him PPV points. Whether or not he would have actually made them would have depended on the PPV he was put on. I do agree the whole train for two fights thing was stupid. nope. they just got done telling him that a superfight with cody wouldn't break the ppv threshhold, so fight ray borg and shut the gently caress up. so of course when a not champion from the cody division comes to call, i completely understand at least wanting an assurance that he can make weight. no? may as well fight ray borg. tj is not a draw. definitely not big enough to get dj over the line without some serious support on some unknown ppv. good decision imo.
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Marching Powder posted:nope. they just got done telling him that a superfight with cody wouldn't break the ppv threshhold, so fight ray borg and shut the gently caress up. so of course when a not champion from the cody division comes to call, i completely understand at least wanting an assurance that he can make weight. no? may as well fight ray borg. tj is not a draw. definitely not big enough to get dj over the line without some serious support on some unknown ppv. good decision imo. The one thing we agree on is that on their own, DJ vs Cody or DJ vs TJ wouldn't draw enough PPV buys. There is already an assurance to make weight: 20% of TJ's purse if he decides to proceed with the fight at a catch weight. I know he didn't want to do this because he couldn't break his precious record (LOL). It comes down to all he cares about is the record. You think you would you know, want to PROVE that you're the best pound-for-pound fighter by beating a former champion in the weight class above, even if its a couple pounds heavier. This in turn would help your brand A LOT more than fighting Ray loving Borg. But no worry about that precious title record.
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Auron posted:The one thing we agree on is that on their own, DJ vs Cody or DJ vs TJ wouldn't draw enough PPV buys. There is already an assurance to make weight: 20% of TJ's purse if he decides to proceed with the fight at a catch weight. I know he didn't want to do this because he couldn't break his precious record (LOL). It comes down to all he cares about is the record. You think you would you know, want to PROVE that you're the best pound-for-pound fighter by beating a former champion in the weight class above, even if its a couple pounds heavier. This in turn would help your brand A LOT more than fighting Ray loving Borg. But no worry about that precious title record. are you deliberately ignoring the part of the story where he was angling to fight the real, actual champion of the division above his next? or that immediately after this defense he intends to become a two division champ against a better fighter than tj?
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