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The Assassin seems so hastily put-together I can't help but feel like it was done just to pander to "but it was in the AD&D PHB!" But then they don't have the ridiculously powerful disguise skill: quote:There is a base chance of 2% per day of a disguised assassin being spotted. This chance goes upwards by 2% if the assassin is posing as another class, another race, and/or the opposite sex (maximum of 8% chance). Nor the assassination table: 
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Valentin posted:I need suggestions on what to play in my campaign, if anyone has ideas. Four player game, I'm definitely the most familiar with D&D and most prone to min-maxing. My goal is to make a character I think is interesting to play, can plug gaps in our line-up, and is mechanically sound enough to help save party members who do silly things without being so strong on a round-to-round basis as to make the other players (rogue, sorc, pally) feel irrelevant. My current character, a monk, is great, but I think the paladin feels sub-optimal next to me, which kind of bums me out. I don't want to play something CHA-based, since we're already heavy on that, and supplemental healing would be a nice bonus. I feel like I'm talking myself into a wizard or cleric at this point: any fun cleric or wizard build ideas? Or anything I'm overlooking? My current favourite gimmick is Cleric(Nature)1/DruidX, 14 DEX and max WIS. All kinds of utility from spells, and also great flavour if you're into nature-based characters. Alternately, start as a Rogue at level 1 and just have tons of skills; take the Scout archetype if you take Rogue to 3 and wanna double-down on nature stuff, or go Arcane Trickster for even more utility spells. You can sub in Knowledge domain in place of Nature pretty easily, too; less flavour but even more skill/tool capability. P.d0t fucked around with this message at 14:58 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 14:53
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P.d0t posted:My current favourite gimmick is Cleric(Nature)1/DruidX, 14 DEX and max WIS. All kinds of utility from spells, and also great flavour if you're into nature-based characters. Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. What's the Cleric 1 here for, medium armor proficiency?
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Jun 29, 2017 17:55
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Valentin posted:Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. What's the Cleric 1 here for, medium armor proficiency? Skills and first level cleric spells (Bless). There's very little reason to do it.
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Jun 29, 2017 18:01
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What's the worst possible multiclass? Is it wizard 1 into barbarian 4? I'm giving up extra attack just so I can be a failed wizard who can only do prestidigitation and tenser's floating disc and then hulk out when people aren't impressed. You know i'm picking berserker barb. I'm gonna get so sleepy.
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I was thinking that would be good if mage armor stacked with unarmored defense but....nope.
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Jun 29, 2017 20:05
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Barbarian + Sorcerer is worse because you can't cast rituals.
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Krinkle posted:What's the worst possible multiclass? Is it wizard 1 into barbarian 4? I'm giving up extra attack just so I can be a failed wizard who can only do prestidigitation and tenser's floating disc and then hulk out when people aren't impressed. Nah actually 1 level of wizard is genuinely useful for a bunch of minor utility spells and most importantly having the Shield spell to retroactively cancel attacks when they hit a couple of times a day.
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Jun 30, 2017 00:08
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Conspiratiorist posted:Barbarian + Sorcerer is worse because you can't cast rituals. Make it a wild sorc so the few spells you do cast blow the party up or turn you into a potted plant.
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Already hammered this out with the DM but want to see how other people would solve this: Wizard barbarian beating the poo poo out of someone with his spellbook in a frenzied rage - is he proficient in spellbooks? Does two handing it bump it up from an improvised 1d4 to like a 1d6 or something?
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Krinkle posted:Already hammered this out with the DM but want to see how other people would solve this: Only with Tavern Brawler.
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Curse of Strahd spoilers We ran into the mad wizard. Our DM had an undead juvenile black dragon living in the lake. We managed to kill it and take his phylactery. I (monk) and our artificer passed charisma checks when touching it. It ended up that this super high level wizard almost became possessed by an evil dragon but he lost a grapple check with the gnome artificer. When he tried to grapple he dropped his staff which I took and ran away with. I buried it and later snuck it back to our artificer to identify. Now we apparently have a staff of the magi in our bag of holding that this forgetful wizard can't remember about because of his insanity and mind blank. Next session should be interesting.
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Krinkle posted:Already hammered this out with the DM but want to see how other people would solve this: It'd also depend on the general tone of the game, of course.
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Jun 30, 2017 03:36
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Just pay an extra 15 elfbucks, say your spellbook is heavily plated in iron, and treat it as a warhammer (1d8 or 1d10 2-handed).
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Krinkle posted:Already hammered this out with the DM but want to see how other people would solve this: there is a variant of a pathfinder class that uses a spellbook as the primary melee weapon  it counts as a light mace Cease to Hope fucked around with this message at 04:21 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 04:18
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Krinkle posted:What's the worst possible multiclass? Fighter / Barbarian because you lose out on the final Extra Attack without really picking up anything significant.
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Valentin posted:Thanks for the suggestions, everyone. What's the Cleric 1 here for, medium armor proficiency? So if you're a Druid1, you know 2 Druid cantrips, and you prepare 1+WIS number of Druid spells When you add Cleric1 onto that, you know 3 Cleric cantrips, and you prepare 1+WIS number of Cleric spells So already, you're covering off some good spells like Bless, Cure Wounds, Healing Word etc. with your Cleric spells, and then you can just do whatever with your Druid stuff. Your WIS boosts will let you prepare a couple more Cleric spells and Druid spells; if you're feeling dangerous, you can even dip into Ranger for a couple levels and have that cover your standbys like Goodberry (which gets you a couple more class features, and your spell DC for these classes will all key off the same stat.) Basically just depends what the highest level of spells is that you want to end up with. On top of that, Nature domain gives you "Speak With Animals" and "Animal Friendship" as always-prepared (and both are rituals, so you can pretty much cast them as much as you want) AND an additional Druid cantrip AND prof with one of Animal Handling/Nature/Survival. So you can contribute a lot in non-combat situations with skills or stuff like Druidcraft or Thaumaturgy, while still having whatever damaging cantrips you want from either class. Basically it's just a bigger all-around boost to the breadth of your utility than going straight Druid, but it keeps you in the same fluff-space. You can use the heavy armor prof from Nature domain if you want to build around STR for defense rather than DEX, but I prefer the latter. And errata has said that you can feel free to ignore the "Druids will not wear metal armor" as it's only meant to be fluff, and they basically call out having any sort of background with using other armors (particularly, being another class) as perfectly fine justifications for a Druid wearing whatever they want. P.d0t fucked around with this message at 13:35 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Krinkle posted:What's the worst possible multiclass? Is it wizard 1 into barbarian 4? I'm giving up extra attack just so I can be a failed wizard who can only do prestidigitation and tenser's floating disc and then hulk out when people aren't impressed. Monk/Paladin? Either you turn off a lot of what makes one class worthwhile or the other, you have half a character's worth of half-caster progression, and at least four of your six stats are hungry for points. (We can assume the strongest build might skip strength and INT isn't needed). You also don't get to stack your extra attack traits.
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Nehru the Damaja posted:Monk/Paladin? Either you turn off a lot of what makes one class worthwhile or the other, you have half a character's worth of half-caster progression, and at least four of your six stats are hungry for points. (We can assume the strongest build might skip strength and INT isn't needed). You also don't get to stack your extra attack traits. I mean, you need 13s in four stats just to meet the MC requirements, and then you probably want at least a 14 CON on top of that. And you're right about all the other stuff; that's what makes this worse than Ranger/Paladin, easily.
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All the phases of D&D Beyond are now available.
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Is Paladin in general a bad multiclass?
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Tir McDohl posted:Is Paladin in general a bad multiclass? Not for Sorcerer or Bard, or possibly Fighter or Barbarian too. It's a matter of the stats required for multiclassing.
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Tir McDohl posted:Is Paladin in general a bad multiclass?
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Tir McDohl posted:Is Paladin in general a bad multiclass? Paladin seems like a pretty versatile multiclass since they're a melee class that likes having more spell slots. Wis and Int based classes are vastly suboptimal but you could probably still be viable.
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Tir McDohl posted:Is Paladin in general a bad multiclass? Paladin has excellent level 2-6 (and 7 for ancients) features, so no, not by a long shot. For (charisma-based) spellcasters taking Paladin turns them into an effective gish, and for martials, well... Paladin is the better combat class so it actually should be Paladin just taking dip in Fighter/Barb/Warlock to round themselves out. Special case for Eldritch Knight and Arcane Trickster as two levels of Paladin gives them something useful to do with their spell slots that isn't Shield and Resist Elements.
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what's like, the most broken combination you can think of?
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Cease to Hope posted:there is a variant of a pathfinder class that uses a spellbook as the primary melee weapon That's fantastic, what is the class?
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Paladin 2/Sorcerer X, you get heavy armor and smites, then get Booming Blade/Green-Flame Blade and you can smite off it. Quickened and Twin Spell metamagics get you more castings of same (and another smite with each). Or you can just enjoy being only one level below full caster progression in terms of slots and blow people up like a regular sorc while also benefiting from heavy armor and a shield.
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Verisimilidude posted:what's like, the most broken combination you can think of? Like with Paladin or in the game?
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honestly both please. I always just play traditional single class characters, show me the Wild side.
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Bladesinger wizard ignoring the "melee" part seem pretty great on their own - 19 AC at level 2 is pretty nuts for a frail caster dude, you don't really need warcaster with the bladesinging "add int to concentration" thing, and...you're a wizard.
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Jack B Nimble posted:honestly both please. I always just play traditional single class characters, show me the Wild side. Best Paladin is probably some combo of Pal/Warlock/Sorc/Fighter but I don't know the balance. Most powerful possible is 2 Fighter/17 Divination Wiz/1 Who Cares.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Bladesinger wizard ignoring the "melee" part seem pretty great on their own - 19 AC at level 2 is pretty nuts for a frail caster dude, you don't really need warcaster with the bladesinging "add int to concentration" thing, and...you're a wizard. Warcaster's neat for tagging people with Booming Blade on oppos. Nasty surprise. mango sentinel posted:Best Paladin is probably some combo of Pal/Warlock/Sorc/Fighter but I don't know the balance. Never not go Wiz 18 for infinite Shields and Misty Steps.
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Reclaimer posted:Never not go Wiz 18 for infinite Shields and Misty Steps. Does an Adult Gold Dragon really need those?
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mango sentinel posted:Does an Adult Gold Dragon really need those? What's scarier, a dragon or a dragon that also teleports as a bonus action and has an AC 5 higher than usual?
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Reclaimer posted:What's scarier, a dragon or a dragon that also teleports as a bonus action and has an AC 5 higher than usual? I mean I guess if they're not doing anything else with their reaction... It's probably stronger than any lvl 1 dip.
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Jack B Nimble posted:honestly both please. I always just play traditional single class characters, show me the Wild side. Paladin 2/3/6 and Sorcerer works really well. 2-dip is just for the smites and proficiencies, and uses quickened and twinned cantrips (GFB, BB) to get its attacks, while not losing the chance for 9th level spells if the game lasts that long. 6/14 is more like a traditional Paladin and simply takes sorcerer for quickened cantrips and more smite slots (also flight at level 14 for draconic as the multiclass capstone). Paladin taking 3 levels of Tome Warlock gets a Charisma-based ranged option through Eldritch Blast + Agonizing Blast, the Devil's Sight + Darkness combo for easy advantage, a pair of short-rest replenishing smite slots, and Shillelagh so they can attack using Charisma. Quarterstaves are already great weapons (Shield + Dueling Fighting Style + Polearm Master), and become downright amazing for a Paladin if they get to use their main support stat to attack with them. This multiclass only needs the 3 levels of Warlock to work (taken at any point) but Paladin honestly doesn't get that much good stuff after 11-12 so it might be better for everything past that to just be Warlock. Paladin and Bard is like the above but it requires 6 levels of Bard to get Shillelagh. Potentially stronger, but takes longer to become active. If you want to be ridiculously explosive you add 2-3 levels of Fighter (Action Surge + Champion) to any of the above. For that matter, almost every class benefits from getting 2 levels of Fighter for proficiencies and Action Surge. As for notable multiclasses that aren't those: Barbarian+Moon Druid that you can read on if you filter my posts. Barbarogue, ditto. Sorlock (Warlock 2-3, Sorcerer X) is a damage monster through doublecasting Eldritch Blast. Warlock 2/Abjuration Wizard gets an at-will Mage Armor that lets them freely recharge their Arcane Ward back to full between fights. 1 level of Fighter is how you make Bladelocks functional. 1 level of Cleric gives Wizards armor and shield proficiencies and access to Bless and the great Cleric cantrips, all without sacrificing their spell slot progression. Fighter 1-2 + Monk. Basically, you stop pretending that martial arts and unarmored defense are worth a poo poo, while benefiting from the rest of the Monk's kit (everything that uses Ki still works just fine).
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Ambi posted:That's fantastic, what is the class? living grimoire but the image I posted above is the only good thing about it, it's a mess
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Conspiratiorist posted:Sorlock (Warlock 2-3, Sorcerer X) is a damage monster through doublecasting Eldritch Blast. This sounds like my poo poo since I'm currently playing a straight warlock because I'm not very good at 5e character building and I LOVE Eldritch Blast.
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There's very few compelling reasons to play Warlock past 3 if you plan on multiclassing at all tbh (or even past 2 if you don't care about familiars). I highly recommend sorlock.
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