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Darude - Adam Sandstorm
Aug 16, 2012

Mind_Taker posted:

What the gently caress are the Panthers doing. Quite the turnaround from last year.

Seems like theyre cutting salary.

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Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

Mind_Taker posted:

What the gently caress are the Panthers doing. Quite the turnaround from last year.

They booted all of the analytics people and put Tallon back in charge so he's tearing it all down again

yellowcar
Feb 14, 2010

Levitate posted:

They booted all of the analytics people and put Tallon back in charge so he's tearing it all down again

it's a microcosm of the Trump presidency.

Krime
Jul 30, 2003

Somebody has to do the scoring around here.

Mind_Taker posted:

What the gently caress are the Panthers doing. Quite the turnaround from last year.

Everywhere you look there are the reports of a mandate to cut $10m in salary.

So, that's what they are doing.

Mind_Taker
May 7, 2007



Yeah I saw those reports but it looks like they are just going to be content being a lovely team with no fanbase. At least last offseason they had some sort of plan to build a winning team.

Jamwad Hilder
Apr 18, 2007

surfin usa

DO YALL WANT A BOXC posted:

wow cammalleri, jokinen, and hayes can all definitely help a team still. would not be surprised to see jokinen back on the pens

Actually Hayes is garbage. He had one goal in November, one goal in December, and that was it in 58 games. He sucks at holding on to the puck, looks like poo poo when he does have it, barely shoots, can't backcheck, and he's a big guy who doesn't hit. He brings nothing to the table.

Cocaine Bear
Nov 4, 2011

ACAB

I love how they tried doing something smart and different then 15 days in were like, yeah, no, gently caress this, bring in the olds.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

JoelJoel posted:

I love how they tried doing something smart and different then 15 days in were like, yeah, no, gently caress this, bring in the olds.

Arizona appears to have it more together which is a shame because the Panthers have all the pieces they need to be a good team. Put someone not old and lovely like Chayka in charge of that and they could be a legit playoff contender in a few years but...

Teemu Pokemon
Jun 19, 2004

To sign them is my real test

With full no movement clause

Jamwad Hilder posted:

He had one goal in November, one goal in December, and that was it in 58 games. He sucks at holding on to the puck, looks like poo poo when he does have it, barely shoots, can't backcheck

This got Justin Abdelkader a 7 year contract

Kilza
Oct 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/880828999278120960

6-7 teams, huh.

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007



2016: desperately spend in an effort to win despite all odds
2017: cut the salary!!!!

i hate vinny viola

Sharks Eat Bear
Dec 25, 2004

Free Ekblad

Levitate
Sep 30, 2005

randy newman voice

YOU'VE GOT A LAFRENIÈRE IN ME

lotta teams tanking for next season

Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007




turns out he stinks without campbell and with all the brain damage! hockey rules

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Shawn Cotureier posted:

Well I mean they are the front runners to get MDZ so you know

Are there a lot of porn stars in Vancouver or something

Brazzers and Pornhub are in Montreal, so don't be surprised to see Bergevin slide into his DMs.

ElwoodCuse
Jan 11, 2004

we're puttin' the band back together
All these teams tanking and no one will give Jagr one year one mil plus some games played goals scored incentives? Come on.

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

JoelJoel posted:

I love how they tried doing something smart and different then 15 days in were like, yeah, no, gently caress this, bring in the olds.

yeah its kind of funny, it's like they're just tossing good players left and right to spite the computer boys because going all in on their new organizational philosophy didn't produce immediate results

sba
Jul 9, 2001

bae

whatis
Jun 6, 2012
if the sign on the 33 isnt back up by the end of the day it'll be a shame

Kilza
Oct 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/880837336501813248

I hope the return for Duchene is hilariously bad.

corn on the cop
Oct 12, 2012

Break what must be broken, once for all, that's all, and take the suffering on oneself.

― Corey Dostoyevsky
https://twitter.com/HackswithHaggs/status/880825181522075653

reminder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRyIgatcTAs

Nissin Cup Nudist
Sep 3, 2011

Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land




Levitate posted:

lotta teams tanking for next season

Dahlin is worth it apparently

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006


Yeah but neither does Dallas, so it's still even.

Duck Rodgers
Oct 9, 2012
I like that Winnipeg bought out Stuart, but it worries me that it might mean they're going all in on Alzner.

All of a sudden the Jets don't have Thorburn, Stuart or Pavelec. This is confusing.

T-Bone
Sep 14, 2004

jakes did this?
hey they got more or less nothing out of the Thornton trade too and won a Cup!

Shawn Cotureier
Jan 21, 2009

Still better than Umberger
Guess Flyers are a finalist for Justin Williams but I don't know what they would be planning on doing with him in the lineup, unless they trade more forwards away

T-Bone
Sep 14, 2004

jakes did this?
Cammalleri is definitely worth a shot for someone at a reasonable cap hit, he can still contribute for his 51 games.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Shawn Cotureier posted:

Guess Flyers are a finalist for Justin Williams but I don't know what they would be planning on doing with him in the lineup, unless they trade more forwards away

Why does a non-playoff team need Mr. Game 7?

sedative
Mar 20, 2003

‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ ‏ :allears:
https://twitter.com/andystrickland/status/880844898446041088

2 years is better than 3 years

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

Actually the Seguin trade left Boston minus one Chiarelli so that's a hell of a gain there.

Mike_V
Jul 31, 2004

3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks
Don't loving trade Duchene to Nashville.

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

Mike_V posted:

Don't loving trade Duchene to Nashville.

It would be really goofy of them to trade to a better team in their own division unless Nashville is dangling Josi or Ekholm or something, and I just can't imagine they would be.

Yaya
Nov 14, 2012

vancloober cablucks
https://twitter.com/eddielack/status/880848733679738880

How could anybody dislike Eddie Lack

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer

Mike_V posted:

Don't loving trade Duchene to Nashville.

Actually, trade Duchene to Nashville.

Gio
Jun 20, 2005


More Holland apologia from Detroit media.

"Detroit News posted:

Holland digs in for plan to dig Wings out

Bob Wojnowski

From one vantage point, the Red Wings look doomed. They don’t have stars in their prime or a stocked farm system, and they don’t have loads of salary-cap space. They also don’t have a proven history of rebuilding because, well, they haven’t done it in 25 years.

Ken Holland has heard the yelps and knows the odds, and he’s not giving in or giving up. He’s also not interested in defending his record of success or belaboring the rough reality of the Wings’ current circumstance. They’re stuck in a difficult spot partly because they’ve avoided it for so long, and Holland takes a lot of the heat. He gets it, agrees with some, vehemently disagrees with some.

The Wings’ longtime GM is digging in, and sticking to the plan for digging out. The Wings won’t make a big splash when free-agency opens Saturday. They won’t trade future picks or prime young assets. They will sign one or two stopgap veterans — possibly a defenseman such as the Penguins’ 33-year-old Trevor Daley — with the goal of reaching the playoffs in their first season at Little Caesars Arena.

That sounds stubborn to some, even though the touted alternative — the unseemly notion of “tanking” for better draft position — provides no clear timetable for success. The Wings are adjusting some elements but Holland isn’t altering his basic philosophy. He loves the size of 6-6 center Michael Rasmussen, taken ninth in the first round of the entry draft. The Wings added bulk and defense with their 11 picks, and when their draft class was ripped as underwhelming by many experts, Holland didn’t fire back.

“If you think we’re a million miles behind everyone else, I disagree,” Holland said Thursday. “It’s a league of parity. I’m not tanking; people pay a heavy price to go to the rink, and I’m trying to put a product on the ice. The plan is to compete for a playoff spot, while not spending any futures. I’m hunkering in and trying to build this thing, and oversee a group that at some point can compete for the Cup.”

‘No shortcuts’

It seems a long way off. The Wings have a terrific captain in Henrik Zetterberg, a three-man core of dynamic youngsters in Dylan Larkin, Anthony Mantha and Andreas Athanasiou, and not a lot more.

That’s the basic definition of rebuilding, with one caveat. It indeed might take the Wings several years to be a legitimate contender again, but Holland isn’t begging for the time, and deep down, knows there’s no guarantee he’ll get it. This is a franchise that went to the playoffs 25 consecutive years, won four Stanley Cup championships and isn’t willing to slide quietly into oblivion — even if a significant slide is unavoidable.

Ken Holland was named Red Wings GM in July 1997.

David Guralnick, Detroit News

New owner Chris Ilitch hasn’t publicly stated a shift in competitive expectations, although he surely is realistic. He also hasn’t extended Holland’s contract beyond this upcoming season. Holland is aware of the criticism from fans and media, and to a certain extent, has retreated into his work. There’s not much more to explain. If you admit to a complete rebuild when the franchise is moving into a fantastic new arena, you’re devaluing the product at the precise moment it’s gaining more attention.

If you suggest you’re still trying to win right now, you sound huckster-ish. So Holland and coach Jeff Blashill are required to do what many GMs and coaches around the NHL are forced to do — work with what they have and make your own players better.

I doubt Holland will even sniff at a high-priced free-agent this weekend; adding big contracts isn’t the ideal way to manage a roster with too many big contracts. I don’t think he’ll even make another run at Thomas Vanek, whom he signed a year ago and then traded away. There’s no sense in clogging the pathway for younger players unless the addition is a huge upgrade.

“There are no shortcuts,” Holland said. “If we’re going to head this thing up, realistically it’s gotta be done with young people. We had a number of players that didn’t play to their level last year and we’re expecting them to bounce back.”

No saviors on market

Improvement had better come from within, because there aren’t any stars riding into town. When the league’s biggest free-agent prize is Capitals’ defenseman Kevin Shattenkirk, you know there aren’t many quick fixes.

Oh, big names are available — Alexander Radulov, Radim Vrbata, Patrick Sharp, Joe Thornton, Jaromir Jagr, Patrick Marleau — that would be fine signings if this were 2010 and the Wings were flush with cap space. They don’t have much, thanks partly to bad contracts.

Holland has made mistakes, certainly. He’s also been GM since 1997, during the greatest 20-year stretch in franchise history. You can pin much of the success on Scotty Bowman, Steve Yzerman, Nicklas Lidstrom and others, but to overlook Holland’s role is petty.

That said, there’s a lot he still can prove, to quell the noise. When he exposed Petr Mrazek, 25, in the expansion draft instead of Jimmy Howard, 33, the complaints were silly. Howard had a tremendous season when healthy. Mrazek struggled mightily and wasn’t even selected by Las Vegas, and now the Wings theoretically have a more-motivated goalie, and perhaps a less-entitled one.

That’s how it is when a franchise wins one playoff round in six years — every decision is magnified and scrutinized. The Wings aren’t good enough, and Holland and his staff haven’t defied the odds and gotten better without high draft picks. Larkin rebounded nicely at center late last season and the 6-5 Mantha scored 17 goals. The selections of Rasmussen and second-rounder Gustav Lindstrom were panned by some observers, but showed the Wings recognize their weaknesses.

They were too small and tried to get bigger. They were too old and tried to get younger.
Holland respectfully disagrees with those who plopped the Wings in the "losers" category after the draft.

"I think it’s easy for people to find reasons to not like players,” Holland said.

“I certainly understand, when dealing with 18-year-olds, you’re gonna miss more than you’re gonna hit. We like the picks. I think most players we took are good skaters in a league that’s fast.”

Everything moves faster now and the Wings are trying to keep up, even as dire assessments pile up. Holland hears them and understands them, and still believes in his plan to change them.


woo boy

i wouldn't even know where to start with this garbage.

Thufir
May 19, 2004

"The fucking Mayans were right."

Duckman2008 posted:

Actually, trade Duchene to Nashville.

But like, for spare parts.

Nail Rat
Dec 29, 2000

You maniacs! You blew it up! God damn you! God damn you all to hell!!

4 years is an eternity in the salary cap era though, it seems like a bit of a stretch to hand-wring over that.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


Gio posted:

More Holland apologia from Detroit media.



woo boy

i wouldn't even know where to start with this garbage.

aaaaaaahahahahahahahaha

Look Around You
Jan 19, 2009

Gio posted:

More Holland apologia from Detroit media.



woo boy

i wouldn't even know where to start with this garbage.

this reads like an official white house release.

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Henrik Zetterberg
Dec 7, 2007

Gio posted:

More Holland apologia from Detroit media.



woo boy

i wouldn't even know where to start with this garbage.

Where's the :psyduck: that expands to the whole page?

Why aren't the Wings rebuilding? Because it's the first year in their new arena, of course! gently caress rebuilding! Let's just try to get that #8 seed and get tossed by TB in 5 again, while not getting a good draft position.

gently caress Ken Holland's leathery rear end.

quote:

I doubt Holland will even sniff at a high-priced free-agent this weekend

Have you met Ken Holland?

edit 3:
:lol: this is the gift that keeps on giving

quote:

Mrazek struggled mightily and wasn’t even selected by Las Vegas, and now the Wings theoretically have a more-motivated goalie, and perhaps a less-entitled one.

Jesus Christ.

Henrik Zetterberg fucked around with this message at 19:29 on Jun 30, 2017

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