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What's Poseidon got against Zeus? I suppose he and Cronus are both planning on the ol' backstab tango at the end to take control of everything?
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Kronos being the ultimate villain is actually weirdly common in Greek mythology inspired modern fiction: off the top of my head I can think of more instances of that than I can "Hades as an out and out villain."
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Jun 27, 2017 04:21
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MinistryofLard posted:Kronos being the ultimate villain is actually weirdly common in Greek mythology inspired modern fiction: off the top of my head I can think of more instances of that than I can "Hades as an out and out villain." At least the Percy Jackson series uses him because it's explicitly history repeating itself with the Titanomachy. The sequel series uses the far less commonly seen Gigantomachy, with Gaia as the primary villain.
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Jun 27, 2017 04:24
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Cythereal posted:At least the Percy Jackson series uses him because it's explicitly history repeating itself with the Titanomachy. The sequel series uses the far less commonly seen Gigantomachy, with Gaia as the primary villain. Gaia was basically always a villain in Greek myths for whatever reason. Poseidon is pretty uniformly murderous and evil too.
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Jun 27, 2017 05:18
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Melth posted:Gaia was basically always a villain in Greek myths for whatever reason. Poseidon is pretty uniformly murderous and evil too. The Mediterranean makes for pretty rough sailing, so it's easy to see why the Greeks would think the god of the sea was an rear end in a top hat.
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Well, Arkantos hasn't got a chance. Even if he succeeds, Kronos has time on his side.
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Jun 27, 2017 07:03
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MinistryofLard posted:Kronos being the ultimate villain is actually weirdly common in Greek mythology inspired modern fiction: off the top of my head I can think of more instances of that than I can "Hades as an out and out villain." He just got bad PR on account of his job.
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Jun 27, 2017 11:00
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anilEhilated posted:Thing is, Hades is actually a pretty chill guy. He only ever messed with humans in the whole Persephone mess and even that was eventually solved more or less peacefully. The bad PR is uniformly from more modern audiences, it should be noted. The Greeks didn't love him, but they respected him. Pluto was downright popular with the Romans as god of wealth - which comes from under the earth, after all. My favorite modern depiction of Hades comes from The Dresden Files, where he's a polite, classy gentleman who loves his wife and three-headed doggy and is a collector of wealth and art with exquisite taste. He's just not good with people. Melth posted:Gaia was basically always a villain in Greek myths for whatever reason. But not in modern depictions, where she's usually the lone good Titan (this game) or at least no worse than Zeus (God of War).
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Jun 27, 2017 14:20
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Melth posted:Gaia was basically always a villain in Greek myths for whatever reason. Gaia was really salty over the Titanomachy wrecking the planet and blamed the Olympians for all the damage IIRC
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Jun 28, 2017 02:50
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There's an amusing Easter Egg if you check the Mission Hints the moment the mission starts. It reads, paraphrased: "Next time, don't drink so much wine before going to sleep."
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Jun 28, 2017 04:23
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Cythereal posted:But not in modern depictions, where she's usually the lone good Titan (this game) or at least no worse than Zeus (God of War). God of War had a pretty easy answer to the pantheons in general. Which gods/titans do you not murder? Uh, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Athena? It's been a while since I played so I could be misremembering. And I'm sure there are many that don't show up because there's only so much room in 3 games.
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Jun 28, 2017 04:43
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Qrr posted:God of War had a pretty easy answer to the pantheons in general. Which gods/titans do you not murder? Uh, Aphrodite, Hephaestus, Athena? It's been a while since I played so I could be misremembering. And I'm sure there are many that don't show up because there's only so much room in 3 games. Oh to the contrary, Kratos does murder Hephaestus and Athena.  The only gods Kratos meets who he doesn't kill are Aphrodite and Artemis. I liked God of War's depiction of Hera, though. Everything about Hera makes so much more sense if you assume she's drunk 24/7.
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Cythereal posted:Oh to the contrary, Kratos does murder Hephaestus and Athena. If Zeus was your husband wouldn't you be?
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Jun 28, 2017 18:16
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:If Zeus was your husband wouldn't you be?
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Fair. Greek mythology is kinda like an episode of It's Always Sunny tbh.
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Jun 29, 2017 00:02
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anilEhilated posted:I'd honestly say they deserve each other. I dunno. Zeus is a horrible husband, but Hera is just a horrible person in every way to everyone all the time. And I can't think of a single redeeming feature she has, whereas Zeus does show that when the chips are down he actually has the guts to face giant monsters like Typhon while all the other gods chicken out and run away. Or punish various wrongdoers and so forth.
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Jun 29, 2017 01:36
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Melth posted:I dunno. Zeus is a horrible husband, but Hera is just a horrible person in every way to everyone all the time. And I can't think of a single redeeming feature she has, whereas Zeus does show that when the chips are down he actually has the guts to face giant monsters like Typhon while all the other gods chicken out and run away. Or punish various wrongdoers and so forth. She's... nice to Jason? The shittiest hero of them all?
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Jun 29, 2017 02:17
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The Unlife Aquatic posted:If Zeus was your husband wouldn't you be? Kratos doesn't even make a clean sweep of the twelve Olympians, surprisingly enough. He knocks off Zeus, Poseidon, Hades, Persephone, Ares, Hera, Hermes, Athena (on accident), Hercules, Morpheus, Hepheastus, and Helios. Artemis and Aphrodite survive their meetings with him while Apollo, Demeter, Dionysus, and Hestia are completely MIA.
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Jun 29, 2017 02:24
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Melth posted:I dunno. Zeus is a horrible husband, but Hera is just a horrible person in every way to everyone all the time. And I can't think of a single redeeming feature she has, whereas Zeus does show that when the chips are down he actually has the guts to face giant monsters like Typhon while all the other gods chicken out and run away. Or punish various wrongdoers and so forth. Does she interact with anyone besides Paris that isn't someone Zeus has cheated on her with?
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Hunt11 posted:Does she interact with anyone besides Paris that isn't someone Zeus has cheated on her with? Jason.
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Melth posted:I dunno. Zeus is a horrible husband, but Hera is just a horrible person in every way to everyone all the time. And I can't think of a single redeeming feature she has, whereas Zeus does show that when the chips are down he actually has the guts to face giant monsters like Typhon while all the other gods chicken out and run away. Or punish various wrongdoers and so forth. To be fair, that's just because the Greeks were horrible misogynists- hell, wasn't Medusa punished for the crime of being pretty enough to rape? I'm sure that if there were any myths that portrayed Hera in a good light, the vast majority of them would've been stamped out.
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Jun 29, 2017 08:27
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CommissarMega posted:To be fair, that's just because the Greeks were horrible misogynists- hell, wasn't Medusa punished for the crime of being pretty enough to rape? I'm sure that if there were any myths that portrayed Hera in a good light, the vast majority of them would've been stamped out. You also have Arachne being turned into a spider because she was good at weaving and that really pissed Athena off.
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Jun 29, 2017 08:38
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Zore posted:You also have Arachne being turned into a spider because she was good at weaving and that really pissed Athena off. Well, more specifically Arachne bragged about being a better weaver than Athena, the goddess of useful crafts. Rule #1 About Being In Greek Mythology: Never, ever brag about being better than a god in any context. Ever. CommissarMega posted:To be fair, that's just because the Greeks were horrible misogynists- hell, wasn't Medusa punished for the crime of being pretty enough to rape? In most versions of the myths, yeah, and this was also the origin of Scylla and Charybdis most of the time.
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Jun 29, 2017 13:58
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Zore posted:You also have Arachne being turned into a spider because she was good at weaving and that really pissed Athena off. Like there's a lot of innocent victims of gods in the Greek myth but Arachne isn't one of them - she got punished for being dumb. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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anilEhilated posted:That doesn't really apply, though: Athena was pretty fair as far as goddesses went. Arachne bragged, so Athena challenged her to put her needles where her mouth was and have a weaving contest. Arachne lost, so Athena figured to make Arachne's bragging true as the perfect mix of punishment and consolation prize - Arachne really became the best weaver there was. See, the version of the myth I'm familiar with has Arachne pretty soundly beating Athena, Athena pitching a fit and destroying Arachne's tapestry, and turning her into the first spider to top it all off. Then again, the compilation I got familiarized with that tale with uses Roman names for the gods out of author's preference, so take it with a grain of salt.
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There's also a version where Arachne loses to Athena and then kills herself so Athena brings her back as a spider out of pity
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Athena is a psycho like all the rest. I mean, for starters she worked tirelessly to make sure the population of an entire city was massacred or enslaved because one guy who wasn't even the ruler didn't say that she was more beautiful than the goddess of beauty- after they all sought him out to judge them. But actually pretty much every myth with Athena has her killing someone for completely petty reasons. Except for Hestia, Hephaestus, and Hades, all the olympians are horrifying.
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The version of Arachne's story I read had Arachne have her tapestry judged superior, but because the tapestry depicted the gods as debauched nutcases Athena shoved Arachne's needles and thread down her throat. When that killed her, Athena felt bad and turned her into a new creature with thread and needles as part of it's body.
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Melth posted:Athena is a psycho like all the rest. I mean, for starters she worked tirelessly to make sure the population of an entire city was massacred or enslaved because one guy who wasn't even the ruler didn't say that she was more beautiful than the goddess of beauty- after they all sought him out to judge them. yeah hades is a good guy, he calls his dog spot
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Whammiewazzle posted:The version of Arachne's story I read had Arachne have her tapestry judged superior, but because the tapestry depicted the gods as debauched nutcases Athena shoved Arachne's needles and thread down her throat. When that killed her, Athena felt bad and turned her into a new creature with thread and needles as part of it's body. Now I'm picturing the Greek gods as being really ignorant of mortals. "Wait, humans die when you shove a lot of sharp things down their throat? I figured we'd have a good laugh about it afterwards! Uh, what can I do to tell her I'm sorry... ooh, everyone loves bugs, right?"
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Sordas Volantyr posted:See, the version of the myth I'm familiar with has Arachne pretty soundly beating Athena, Athena pitching a fit and destroying Arachne's tapestry, and turning her into the first spider to top it all off. Ovid's Metamorphoses, yes? My Classical Mythologies prof was of the opinion that Ovid wrote that as an "up yours" to Augustus Caesar who aspired to godhood. "Look at all these gods who are terrible people". Most of the stories slant pretty heavily towards gods and cults being dangerous and bad compared to their "original" Greek versions.
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I always assumed that most polytheistic gods were kinda dicks because they represented natural forces which were pretty dickish I guess I'm not really sure if non-Greek gods are dicks though. The Aesir seem pretty chill from what I remember of them.
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cheetah7071 posted:I always assumed that most polytheistic gods were kinda dicks because they represented natural forces which were pretty dickish At their worst they can be every bit as bad as the Greek gods, but they don't get to those highs quite as often. Oh boy when they do though.
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What about the Egyptian pantheon? From my limited knowledge, only Set was an rear end in a top hat.
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CommissarMega posted:What about the Egyptian pantheon? From my limited knowledge, only Set was an rear end in a top hat. Egyptian gods are hard to nail down because of the absurd length of time they were around in some form or another. Many of them changed radically over the centuries, and a lot of times older depictions would be destroyed when new ones came into vogue etc, While this is true of basically all ancient pantheons, Egypt had such an ancient and long running civilization its really exacerbated. Like remember there are Pyramids still standing that are almost 5000 years old, and Egyptian society and records go back further than that.
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CommissarMega posted:What about the Egyptian pantheon? From my limited knowledge, only Set was an rear end in a top hat. Given Zore's point, there are some whose very names imply assholery, such as Am-Heh, the Devourer-Of-Millions, Eater-Of-Eternity.
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AJ_Impy posted:Given Zore's point, there are some whose very names imply assholery, such as Am-Heh, the Devourer-Of-Millions, Eater-Of-Eternity. (I have no idea what they were a god of) anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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anilEhilated posted:...And then it turns out it was just the good of cooks and feasting. The closest thing the Egyptian pantheon has to a traditional supreme evil being is Apophis, a primeval serpent that wants to eat the sun. Set's generally a dick but seldom that kind of overt evil. Isis could also be an incredible pain in the rear end if you got on her bad side in most myths.
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anilEhilated posted:...And then it turns out it was just the god of cooks and feasting. According to wikipedia he lives in a lake of fire in the underworld, so he sounds more like some sort of demon.
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Balderdash. The ancient Egyptians just understood the value of well-cooked ingredients. It does make me wonder about where the fire=hell=bad connection comes from; I mean, most of our concepts of Hell come from Dante and Milton, but the only fiery bad guy ancient mythology I can name off the top of my head was Loki.
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