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ZiegeDame posted:It only requires that they meet up once a day to tell each other about what they did that day. But literally everything you did that day. To the nth degree. I could buy pulling that trick off for a week or maybe even a month, but multiple years? Surely someone would notice? Or you'd slip up and forget to tell the other you something? CottonWolf fucked around with this message at 02:51 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Dr Pepper posted:So yeah effectively the exact same distinction and meaning is used for the original and the translation. Pretty much. The short answer is that the translation is literally accurate enough and even understanding Japanese perfectly would not make deciphering that red any easier.
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CottonWolf posted:But literally everything you did that day. To the nth degree. I could buy pulling that trick off for a week or maybe even a month, but multiple years? Surely someone would notice? Or you'd slip up and forget to tell the other you something? We're talking about the same people who apparently went three years without realizing Shannon and Kanon are the same person. Even if some minor details get lost in the transfer, people forget things all the time. And if it's something important that someone else expects you to remember, just lie and tell them what they want to hear. They don't exactly live exciting and dynamic lives. ZiegeDame fucked around with this message at 03:34 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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ZiegeDame posted:We're talking about the same people who apparently went three years without realizing Shannon and Kanon are the same person. A very fair point. Whatever the outcome, the Ushiromiya's have proven themselves to not be the most observant bunch.
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 Just having to say that felt like admitting defeat... and I didn't like it. Why is it that she's always so obnoxious and clingy when I don't need her, and then won't answer when I call her name. Where... am I...? Annoyed by the completely predictable ending, I had left the cathedral. I had planned on finding some terrace with a cool night's breeze to kill time on until the end of that farcical reception.  I, the great Bernkastel, am lost? A miracle like that certainly couldn't happen. Yes... miracles don't exist in this world. To create a miracle, you need 'an amount of time that can never be reached', a period that is no different from infinity. So, when something that appears to be a miracle happens in a shorter span of time than that, it is not a miracle... but due to someone's... design. In other words, the reason I'm walking down this corridor... is because someone's design has forced me here...  "...Who? Who would have pulled such a complicated prank on me? It looks like you're quite the shy one, calling me out to a desolate place like this."...Then... from the other end of the dark corridor... I heard a sound.  BGM: Eternal Chains It sounded as though some small animal, like a dog or a cat, was walking at a quick pace. No miracle could cause a dog or cat to be in a place like this. Such a miracle would not be 'allowed'. Since it isn't a miracle, that means I am being guided in that direction. Very well. This might be some new idea to keep me entertained. If this is some new joke of Lambda's, I'll cover her whole body with honey using my tongue as a reward. And then, I'll stick parasol chocolates into her eyes and tell her to never do it again. In the direction that the noise had come from, it was not only dim, but shrouded in complete darkness. However, I could sense something in that darkness. There were two emerald green glints... probably cat eyes. The eyes of a black cat that peered through the darkness.  When I looked at my feet, I saw red cat footprints leading towards those cat eyes. It was unsettling, as though it had run there with blood-stained paws. When my eyes adjusted to the darkness, then even with the lack of light, I was vaguely able to make out these red footprints. They weren't actually glowing or anything, but they served perfectly well as a signpost leading me onwards. *patter*patter*patter*patter*... As though it was telling me to follow, the cat turned around and dashed off into the darkness. What is it? Something feels... very strange. It's a feeling I haven't felt since I began calling myself the cruelest witch in the world. I can't quite remember what this feeling is. Still, for one as tired of boredom as me, it's surely more fun this way. I followed the bloody footprints of the cat, which would sometimes stop and look back at me, and walked on and on through the dark corridor... Forward, turn, head down what appeared to be stairs from time to time. And then, though I couldn't really tell because of the darkness, I was standing right in front of a door.  BGM: None I pushed the door open slowly, but it was dark on the inside, just like the corridor. However, the air and the slight change in the echos made by the footsteps... told me that this was a room, not a corridor. The sounds of the cat's footsteps were gone. However, the bloody footprints remained. On the other side of some sort of wooden screen, under what looked like a small spotlight... There was that same black cat gobbling down some bloodstained pet food. I see. So, this is its reward for bringing me here...  "Cat... Sorry to bother you during your meal, but I'd like you to summon your master. That is, unless you're actually the one who summoned me...?"Talking to it didn't cause it to turn around. Well, I guess it is an animal eating its food. If I kick it away, it'll probably run off to its owner.  When I did kick the cat, it sailed away like a stuffed animal, hit the wall, and fell to the ground. Then, it vanished, as though it had melted into the darkness... What's with this cat? Is it just an illusion...?  "...!"When I looked at its food plate, it was piled up with what appeared to be blood-drenched raw meat. It was as though someone had torn apart living flesh on the spot and piled it up on there.  "...Come on, what's with the creepy reception?" The instant I heard that voice, the hairs on the back of my neck stood on end. Then, the surrounding area finally brightened... However, Bernkastel had already guessed where this was before it grew bright...  BGM: Haruka "..." "...A cat who has learned to eat meat and choose its own path. It has been a long time..." "It's a path I'd never have to have noticed if you hadn't told me. You're the monster who taught me the taste of flesh. So, you've come back to life. Featherine Auaurora..." "...Augustus Aurora... You never learn no matter how often I tell you that..." "...Very well. Even that brings back fond memories... I have heard the rumors... It seems you have taken the name Bernkastel, Witch of Miracles, and have been playing a far from praiseworthy Fragment game..." "I'm just imitating you. Though I could hardly match up to your level. If the rumors you've heard about me are bad, that applies a hundredfold to you."Bernkastel sat unreservedly in an antique chair, as though she was already familiar with the place. "...What are you afraid of? I am merely celebrating my reunion with my longest-serving miko so far... Did you really find my messenger cat so displeasing?"Bernkastel's manner seemed completely relaxed... However, Featherine admonished her, telling her not to be afraid. And, judging by the expression that had risen to Bern's face, Featherine had been right on the mark...  "...Have no fear. Look closely. Do you see any cat stuffing its face with meat...? I just gave it a plate of biscuits as a reward for going to get you..." "..."...It looked as though soot covering the plate at her feet was blown away, even though there was no wind. There lay a lovely... and perfectly normal... cat dish, with a pile of small biscuits on top of it...  "...Tch..."Bernkastel didn't even hide her displeased grimace. Featherine shrugged and muttered 'you haven't changed, child of man' as she rocked her rocking chair. "...I see you're as unpleasant as ever. But I'm happy now. Imitating you really has been far from boring." "...Scold me as you please. It is the parting gift I gave you when we last met." "You liked abusive mikos because they kept you entertained, right...? Tch, ridiculous. If talking will only please you, I'll shut up. So, what do you want with me...?" "It seems Beatrice's game has ended with Battler's victory. I observed it. It was quite entertaining." "...I'm sure you liked seeing me fail miserably." "Nonsense, it was a splendid performance... I'm sure Beato is very grateful to you." "...Hmph. And? If you want me to read the Fragments of Beato's game aloud for you, I refuse. I'm not your miko anymore." BGM: Smile-less Soiree "...I believe I have formed an answer for all the riddles in my own way. The culprit. The motive. The individual tricks. I'm not yet clear about the very last part of the epitaph's riddle, but I have enough of a theory that if I actually went to Rokkenjima and investigated, I should be able to resolve that part as well." "...And...?" "Of course, since there is no single truth, my theory is probably only one of many possibilities. However, it is one of those possibilities, so that problem is a trivial one." "...What are you up to? Do you want to debate Beato's game with me?" BGM: Fishy Aroma Those words of Featherine's made Bernkastel straighten up. Her old master did not fail to notice that small reaction. "So far, you have spiced up this tale as an actor. In doing that, you have probably come to know many truths. However, even you are unaware of the truth behind several riddles that Beato has skillfully kept hidden, correct...?" "...I see... You want to use me to chew apart and string out the guts of something again." "After watching a play, reading the pamphlet and learning what goes on behind the scenes is similar to, as you would say it, enjoying some black tea after a meal. That enjoyment cannot be left undone." "You like to play with them and love them while they're alive, then eat their flesh when they die. So, cats are doubly useful to you. Just die, monster." "I want... to look at the answers. I'm sure you want to know them." "..." "Think of it as a burial for Beato's corpse, where you are in charge of the service. What do you say about that, child of man?" "...Now, you're starting to speak my language."When Featherine snapped her fingers, a thin spotlight appeared on the table, which was covered with cluttered books. There... lay a folded version of the game board for Beato's game. The Witch of Theatergoing spun her finger in a circle, and the game board opened up by itself, showing the black and white pieces lined up inside it.  With a rustling sound, the book flipped through all its pages of its own accord, front to back, shut itself, and flew to the side of the game board, where it waited. Inside it, all of the movements of the pieces during previous games were recorded...  "...I see. So you were short a player and a commentator..." "We're also short on black tea. Similarly with dried plums. Of course, I will find some." "...Okay. If you add on some mustard rice cakes, then we have a deal." "The negotiations are concluded." "I have one condition." "Oh, and what is that?" "I only want to check the answers. I don't particularly care about the tale itself. I'm not deeply interested in what sort of tale you'll create. Ah, yes. Now I see what you're after." "...Will you accept that condition?" "Very well... I want to know the answer. You have your grudge to worry about. The negotiations are concluded."When Featherine snapped her fingers once more, a large chair appeared, as though beckoning Bernkastel to sit there. It was horribly mismatched with the furnishings of this room... a throne. Wait, I've seen this before. This is-  BGM: None  "...Are you sure? Are you really... sure...?" "You can create whatever sort of tale you like to satisfy your grudge. I am not interested." "However, I have one condition as well. Answer all of the questions I ask for. No hiding, concealment or tricks." "Heh, heheheheheheheheheh...! Leave it to me. Tearing apart the chest and ripping out the guts is my specialty. After all, you trained me." "Let us make some black tea. We'll use our own hands, not magic. Let the master treat her miko to some tea..." "The old Beato told me that witches are the best ones to have black tea with." "It seems we don't match with that description... Heh, heheheheheheheheheheheheheheheh."...At some point, that dish piled with biscuits... had once again been covered with a mountain of torn-apart meat and a splatter of red. No, not just meat... even the bowels...    BGM: Fishy Aroma (vocals) "Correct. A fitting number." "Fitting for Beato, you mean, right?"Bernkastel slowly picked up a black piece. It was... the piece that represented Beatrice. It was sometimes a king, sometimes a queen, and could become a knight. However, that was only if it got promoted. Until then, it was only a trash piece, like a pawn. First comes the placing of the pieces. By this point, the witch's game has already begun. Bernkastel took Beato's piece... and raised it high.    TO BE CONTINUED
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And with that, Episode 6 has drawn to a close! The LP will now be going on a short hiatus. We will return in either one week, or once my backlog hits eleven updates (currently five). Until then, look forward to what almost every witch I know calls the best episode of Umineko. 
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Oh, come on now, who the hell are you? Can this series really afford to have any more new drat characters, at this late stage? From that last image of Berne and Aurora, I gather I'm supposed to be very, very afraid of what comes next, but... it seems like we are going to get answers, finally, answers, to the question of Beatrice- the true Beatrice, the one behind the legend, shannon and Kanon... at last, the story of the Culprit. Am I right? Dare I be hype? (And drat, evil or not, the voiced version of Fishy Aroma is good.)
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resurgam40 posted:Oh, come on now, who the hell are you? Can this series really afford to have any more new drat characters, at this late stage?
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For people who might not be familiar with chess, Beatrice's placement on d8 makes her the black queen. I would guess the person sitting down is Sayo, but who is the person standing up? Hm.
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resurgam40 posted:Oh, come on now, who the hell are you? Can this series really afford to have any more new drat characters, at this late stage? I warned you about the seacats bro It keeps happening
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idonotlikepeas posted:I would guess the person sitting down is Sayo, but who is the person standing up? Hm. Seems likely... although that neck jewel is green, not purple like Shannon's and Kanon's.
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resurgam40 posted:Oh, come on now, who the hell are you? Can this series really afford to have any more new drat characters, at this stage? But haven't you loved all of them?
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Neopie posted:But haven't you loved all of them? Like I said before, love is over. Only monsters are here now. (Can't wait to see what's in store.)
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Neopie posted:But haven't you loved all of them? ... Eh, I guess you have me there. Even Magical Chef Gohda!  (Except Erika, gently caress her. I suppose that extends to Berne herself. Also Kinzo can die in a fire.)
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I declare both of these people to be absolute cuties! 
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witchcore ricepunk posted:I declare both of these people to be absolute cuties! Whoa easy with the spoilers there
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ZiegeDame posted:Young Kinzo and OG Beatrice That was my guess, too. If this is a story by people who claim to be monsters, then it makes sense that they play a game about becoming a monster. Also appreciate the hiatus. I need a break from love right now.
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Confused Llama posted:Seems likely... although that neck jewel is green, not purple like Shannon's and Kanon's. If the jewel is Alexandrite, a gemstone that changes color depending on what light is shined on it, it could still match. I thought Featherine was going to be a magic user who was morally okay, but it seems like they're the reason that Bernkastel became so messed up. These characters, I swear... I'm interested in seeing how episode 7 will go. On one hand, we're going to have Featherine demanding answers. On the other hand, Bernkastel was given explicit permission to write the tale however she wants. That's going to be... intriguing for sure. The thing I really want to see from this story is hopefully a truthful, nonmagical narration of what happened that day on Rokkenjima. And also maybe Battler and Sayo living out in the woods of Rokkenjima in the present day. R07, please... resurgam40 posted:... Eh, I guess you have me there. Even Magical Chef Gohda! When all praise the name of Gohda, the magically delicious food will be revived.
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ZiegeDame posted:Young Kinzo and OG Beatrice Unless it's the ghost of young Kinzo trying to dress like the cool kids do
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Sindai posted:That would be my guess but the clothes don't fit at all Are you saying people didn't dress like pirates in 1930s Taiwan?
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resurgam40 posted:Erika, gently caress her. Pretty sure it's the other way around
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Rodyle posted:Pretty sure it's the other way around If this is what it sounds like it's a joke about, can we not
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Oh man, the ahaha at the end of vocal Fishy Aroma was just the best. Hmm, so Battler's just off to GM some private games with Beatrice. And it appears Auau had the-piece-who-became-Bernkastel read the story of Higurashi, just like Ange is doing now for Umineko. That doesn't bode well for Ange. It hasn't escaped my notice that whoever this sitting person is, they bear the One-Winged Eagle on their left thigh, whereas the guy doesn't appear to have it at all. So if that person is OG Beatrice and Kinzo, what happened that she bears the One-Winged Eagle and he doesn't? Given the placement, it's also quite likely that it's Sayo. resurgam40 posted:Oh, come on now, who the hell are you? Can this series really afford to have any more new drat characters, at this late stage? I feel you've said this every time new characters have appeared.
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Cyouni posted:It hasn't escaped my notice that whoever this sitting person is, they bear the One-Winged Eagle on their left thigh, whereas the guy doesn't appear to have it at all. So if that person is OG Beatrice and Kinzo, what happened that she bears the One-Winged Eagle and he doesn't? Given the placement, it's also quite likely that it's Sayo. She is the original source of the gold, so it stands to reason that the crest it is stamped with is hers as well. Do we have any evidence that the One-winged Eagle was the Ushiromiya crest before Kinzo took over? Dude built the family from the ground up, so he's free to change whatever he likes. Also, she's wearing pants. The placement of the crest is conclusive of nothing. Also also, she would be Shkanatrice's grandmother, so resemblance is to be expected
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ZiegeDame posted:She is the original source of the gold, so it stands to reason that the crest it is stamped with is hers as well. Do we have any evidence that the One-winged Eagle was the Ushiromiya crest before Kinzo took over? Dude built the family from the ground up, so he's free to change whatever he likes. I thought about it, and we've only ever gathered the significance of the One-Winged Eagle from things other people have said. However, we know that it was known as the family crest prior to Kinzo receiving a loan from people and rebuilding the family, so it's less likely that he changed the crest after rebuilding the family completely. Yes, she's wearing pants, but think about all the other placements we've seen. We've seen so many variations that it's hard to believe the left thigh again is pure coincidence.
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So we're all very excited for the next episode, but I think we're ignoring the most important part of the update. Why is Bern surprised to see a cat eating meat, and disturbed by it as if it's some deep metaphor? Has she only previously associated with vegetarian cats? Being an obligate carnivore is serious business, you jerk! Though they do tend to skip the bowels. But not much else - when a cat is done with a mouse the only thing left is some miscellaneous organs and a wish that they hadn't had their meal on your nice welcome mat.
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Cyouni posted:Yes, she's wearing pants, but think about all the other placements we've seen. We've seen so many variations that it's hard to believe the left thigh again is pure coincidence. Yeah. I'm telling you, this is going to be the heiress Sayo episode where she flaunts in and declares herself the true inheritor with icy imperiousness, and Yoshiya will play the role of her brooding handsome younger brother. We're going full Gothic novel.
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this has nothing to do with anything, I just want to remind people of this scene it was so good
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Cyouni posted:
Pretty sure he has. I went back and checked.
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resurgam40 posted:Oh, come on now, who the hell are you? Can this series really afford to have any more new drat characters, at this late stage? Come come, even Battler has come around to embracing all of the new entrants with Love. Why don't you? Upupupupu.
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Qrr posted:So we're all very excited for the next episode, but I think we're ignoring the most important part of the update. It took me a few rereads, but I realized why - Featherine's the one who makes the explicit comparison of Bern to the cat; the first line is hers. CottonWolf posted:Yeah. I'm telling you, this is going to be the heiress Sayo episode where she flaunts in and declares herself the true inheritor with icy imperiousness, and Yoshiya will play the role of her brooding handsome younger brother. We're going full Gothic novel. That would be the most amazing thing to see. I'm actually quite interested in seeing what kind of game Bernkastel sets up. We've seen Beato's, Lambda's, and Battler's, and the style of each was a reflection of its creator.
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oath2order posted:Pretty sure he has. I went back and checked. There's 18 drat starting characters! That would be fine, but by Ep2 to Ep3 we have the metaphorical level, which offer alternate versions of these characters to keep track of, as well as a slew of other characters, and it'd be fine if they were one offs or one note, but nobody's proved to be that. Then in Ep4 we have a whole other plot line to keep track of, and assorted different characters for that, some of whom never even come up again, then in 3 we got the silly heavenly Inquisition and a whole new bastard on the island, and then even more mystical characters and other such bullshit! Look, I like complicated stories and characters, but there comes a time when one must ask: how many goddamn characters do you need to find out what the gently caress happened on one loving island over a two day period?
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resurgam40 posted:There's 18 drat starting characters! That would be fine, but by Ep2 to Ep3 we have the metaphorical level, which offer alternate versions of these characters to keep track of, as well as a slew of other characters, and it'd be fine if they were one offs or one note, but nobody's proved to be that. Then in Ep4 we have a whole other plot line to keep track of, and assorted different characters for that, some of whom never even come up again, then in 3 we got the silly heavenly Inquisition and a whole new bastard on the island, and then even more mystical characters and other such bullshit! Look, I like complicated stories and characters, but there comes a time when one must ask: how many goddamn characters do you need to find out what the gently caress happened on one loving island over a two day period? Everything is a metaphor in this game, including the Chiester Corp, who represent the winchester shotguns on the island. By this logic, it stands to reason that for every single object on the island, there can be a corresponding character associated with it. Next chapter character predictions include Tabako-chan, a character that represents Hideyoshi's cigarettes that he's always smoking. Followed closely by Tii-san, the tea master who ensures that the mansion guests are in a good enough mood to cooperate in the story. Don't even get me started on Taifūn-sama, leader of the storm and each individual raindrop that gets their own character as well. However, judging by ShKannon's situation, it's possible for multiple characters to be tied to each thing. You can finally have a dissociative mackerel with multiple personalities. You can have as many characters on this one island as the eye can see. You can fit even more on top of that too because vision is a nonobjective perception of reality. Infinite characters. Infinite anime. Infinitely ahahaha'ing. Imagine.
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