NCAA BB Preseason N/V: Fake Classes Are Ok

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kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Winning championships is hard, we've all said that a lot. Winning championships with a lot of super talented freshmen is in my opinion harder and the ADavis team is looking like it is proving the outlier more than the norm.

I would never say that Kentucky should have won more than one championship with all that talent because like I said winning championships is hard. It is my personal belief that the more successful alchemy of a championship winning team has elements of both super talented freshmen and upperclassmen anchors.

# ? Jun 30, 2017 20:50

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# ? May 13, 2024 22:12

TheAlmightyFrog: Oct 7, 2007; squeeeak

The Davis team actually proves your point. Terrence Jones and Doron Lamb were sophomores and Darius Miller was a senior, and they were just coming off a Final Four appearance. Davis and MKG were by far the best players on the team but they didn't do it alone. The 39-1 team is another example of how good you can be when you have some experience returning.

This debate is actually pretty common among Kentucky fans.

# ? Jun 30, 2017 22:20

The Glumslinger: Sep 24, 2008; Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?; Hair Elf

USC has been doing great at recruiting this, I hope they aren't paying recruits this time :ohdear:

# ? Jul 1, 2017 00:24

elentar: Aug 26, 2002; Every single year the Ivy League takes a break from fucking up the world through its various alumni to fuck up everyone's bracket instead.

Braxton Beverly, fresh off his release from Ohio State, could well be ending up at NC State. Would be first but not definitely not last benefit of Keatts's Hargrave connections.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 00:55

Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

elentar posted:

Braxton Beverly, fresh off his release from Ohio State, could well be ending up at NC State. Would be first but not definitely not last benefit of Keatts's Hargrave connections.

It looks pretty certain this is the case. OSU just announced he was released from his scholarship.

And Derek Funderburk was let go for failure to meet expectations. Previous comments indicate he is lovely at school.

So OSU has like 8 scholarship guys, one of which is a walk on who got a scholly due to so many dudes leaving.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 01:02

EvanTH: Apr 24, 2004; i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

The Glumslinger posted:

USC has been doing great at recruiting this, I hope they aren't paying recruits this time

I hope they are. Working for free is charity, which has its place, but not paying your employees is criminal.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 02:14

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

TheAlmightyFrog posted:

The Davis team actually proves your point. Terrence Jones and Doron Lamb were sophomores and Darius Miller was a senior, and they were just coming off a Final Four appearance. Davis and MKG were by far the best players on the team but they didn't do it alone. The 39-1 team is another example of how good you can be when you have some experience returning.

This debate is actually pretty common among Kentucky fans.

Those guys were also 5 star recruits!! Terrance Jones was like Top 10 in his class.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 02:22

Peanut President: Nov 5, 2008; by Athanatos

EvanTH posted:

I hope they are. Working for free is charity, which has its place, but not paying your employees is criminal.

What's worse: not paying them, or only paying some of them?

# ? Jul 1, 2017 02:53

TheAlmightyFrog: Oct 7, 2007; squeeeak

MourningView posted:

Those guys were also 5 star recruits!! Terrance Jones was like Top 10 in his class.

Yeah, saying "by far" was probably a stretch. Sometimes I forget how good Terrence Jones actually was.

# ? Jul 1, 2017 13:58

I. M. Gei: Jun 26, 2005; CHIEFS

BITCH

Kibner posted:

Bamba's brother is trying to get the NCAA to disqualify Bamba by alleging violations with a financial advisor: https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2017/06/29/texas-mohamed-bamba-alleged-recruiting-violations

Does it really even matter that much that Texas got this guy in the first place? He's probably just gonna leave for the NBA after his freshman year like every other new star player Texas signs.

God Texas is going to suck next season. :smith:

MourningView posted:

Counterpoint: having lots of super good players is actually good, as evidenced by his extremely successful teams

... unless you go to Texas, in which case being super good means you're going to bolt for the NBA at the earliest opportunity, leaving behind a team of just mediocre upperclassmen and like two good first-year guys.

# ? Jul 2, 2017 02:01

Probably Magic: Oct 9, 2012; Looking cute, feeling cute.

nvr 4gt

https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/882236455178915840

# ? Jul 4, 2017 15:18

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

Probably Magic posted:

nvr 4gt

https://twitter.com/PFTCommenter/status/882236455178915840

Lmao I was just coming here to post this.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 15:23

elentar: Aug 26, 2002; Every single year the Ivy League takes a break from fucking up the world through its various alumni to fuck up everyone's bracket instead.

ok sure

wait what
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/883389129395851264

# ? Jul 7, 2017 20:50

MourningView: Sep 2, 2006; Is this Heaven?

Sure that's bad, but have you considered that he never broke the NCAA's garbage rules and had a very high graduation rate?????

# ? Jul 7, 2017 21:03

FrankeeFrankFrank: Apr 21, 2005; Say word son.

elentar posted:

ok sure

wait what
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/883389129395851264

Unless the inappropriate touching was choking, I can't imagine what the problem would be.

# ? Jul 7, 2017 21:05

Hello Towel: Aug 9, 2010

MourningView posted:

Sure that's bad, but have you considered that he never broke the NCAA's garbage rules and had a very high graduation rate?????

Thank you, Every Indiana Fan Over 35.

I'm happy that the athletics department has finally come around to the idea that we shouldn't be associating ourselves with that rear end in a top hat beyond hanging the banners he won.

# ? Jul 7, 2017 22:26

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

The thing about choking is that both my alma mater and girlfriend are super into it.

# ? Jul 7, 2017 23:57

Probably Magic: Oct 9, 2012; Looking cute, feeling cute.

elentar posted:

ok sure

wait what
https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/883389129395851264

Least surprising thing ever.

Job at Fox News incoming.

# ? Jul 8, 2017 00:04

Hello Towel: Aug 9, 2010

Three top 100 recruits committed to Indiana in the last 24 hours. :getin:

# ? Jul 17, 2017 19:46

EvanTH: Apr 24, 2004; i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Does anyone have any info on Marvin Bagley III potentially reclassifying with the 2017 class and possibly/likely attending Duke (but still maybe USC) in the fall?

ESPN recruiting has him rated higher than anyone in the current class but I got no good sources for that sort of thing. I'm in it for the NBA draft scouting

# ? Jul 17, 2017 22:09

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

If he does reclassify he is virtually guaranteed to jump ahead of Porter as the #1 recruit.

As for Duke...probably.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 22:11

EvanTH: Apr 24, 2004; i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Wow, he's that good? I've seen a tiny bit of tape but I have very little idea on how to evaluate HS players. Have any links where I could read on him?

# ? Jul 17, 2017 22:14

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/2018/marvin-bagley-iii-3389

http://www.scout.com/player/193060-marvin-bagley/analysis?year=2017

http://247sports.com/Player/Marvin-Bagley-76765

http://www.espn.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/203733/marvin-bagley-iii

quote:

Strengths:
Bagley has emerged as one of if not the best high school prospect in the game. At 6'11 with multi-dimensional skills and blessed elite athletic ability he impacts the game on both ends of the floor. His soft shooting touch, scoring instincts and ball handing ability make him unique at his size. He is comfortable to knock down a face up jumper to the arc and operates best from the high post or along the baseline. His ability to attack with fluidness and length is hard for opposing big men to stop. He will go into the low post and utilize his jump hook or settle in to the mid-post and back down or face up smaller defenders and shoot over them. He is running the floor with more effort and his long strides with speed are impressive. His activity on the glass and how he alters and or blocks shots have been evident. He has taken his talent from potential to production but the scary thing is there is still plenty of upside in his ability.

Weaknesses:
Bagley has eliminated some of the talk of disappearing at times during the game and losing his assertiveness. It's important to note he must keep his drive for improvement and not be satisfied with his status. He must guard his heart and mind in regards to becoming bored with the game as happens with some of the gifted athletes. As long as he displays teachable spirit to grow his game and make others better he will always be a game changer. He also needs to add strength which will enhance his offensive finish game, post-up game and overall defensive productivity. He must develop and keep an edge on the court that make the great players the best.

Bottom Line:
His size, length and versatility is the way the NBA game is being played. What would make him reach his enormous potential and project out as a one of the best we have seen in a decade would be his continued work ethic and attention to defensive details. With effort he should record a double-double and flirt with a triple-double each game because he is that good. A remarkable set of skills and scoring instincts at a young age who is now starting to grow into his body.

# ? Jul 17, 2017 22:35

EvanTH: Apr 24, 2004; i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Awesome! Thanks for the links and things. From what tape I saw I was mostly impressed that a young big guy was putting it on the floor and immediately passing to the open man once he found a double. Not always what I expect from AAU guys, hah.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 05:27

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Of course these rankings change hilariously based on questionable motives. Like a four star will pick North Carolina and then the next ranking update comes around and oh hey wouldn't you know it that player is now a five star because basically a lot of these bigger programs evaluate talent better than an online journalist.

The ESPN ranking system is a little different than Scout or Rivals, they evaluate talent based on how they will perform as an NBA player as opposed to a college player. As an NBA fan that may be the one you want to pay the most attention to.

And of course they could all be wrong about a player, like Cliff Alexander. In that case stick to what MourningView thinks, he can sniff out the turds better than most.

# ? Jul 18, 2017 17:21

EvanTH: Apr 24, 2004; i like to express my inner pain by being really boring on the phone
or just when i'm kickin it
that's me though
i'm kind of oddddddd

Hah, don't worry I got no plans to get too overexcited when the site gives a new guy a 98, the same rating they gave Austin Rivers, James McAdoo, Quincy Miller and Marquis Teague

# ? Jul 18, 2017 17:31

RC and Moon Pie: May 5, 2011

kiimo posted:

Of course these rankings change hilariously based on questionable motives. Like a four star will pick North Carolina and then the next ranking update comes around and oh hey wouldn't you know it that player is now a five star because basically a lot of these bigger programs evaluate talent better than an online journalist.

The ESPN ranking system is a little different than Scout or Rivals, they evaluate talent based on how they will perform as an NBA player as opposed to a college player. As an NBA fan that may be the one you want to pay the most attention to.

And of course they could all be wrong about a player, like Cliff Alexander. In that case stick to what MourningView thinks, he can sniff out the turds better than most.

Star rankings can be hilarious.

There's an ESPN 5-star guy that I've seen play a few times (I cover high school sports). His shot selection was horrendous. He thought he was a jump shooter at 6'9" and he wasn't. No presence on the boards at all despite being that height and 225 pounds. I doubt he'll make it off the bench in college, even with the mediocre SEC team he's currently committed to.

There are a couple more ESPN 4-star guys that I think got inflated because their districts aren't physical ones and the schools are big names. Both players were shut down completely because they couldn't handle any physical pressure at all.

# ? Jul 19, 2017 00:25

Truther Vandross: Jun 17, 2008

Star rankings in basketball have almost nothing to do with skills and everything to do with your body potential

# ? Jul 24, 2017 21:56

PotatoJudge: May 22, 2004; Tell me about the rabbits, George

Purdue's incoming class has length:

Daniel Ewing -- 6-9; 215
Aaron Wheeler -- 6-9; 200
Nojel Eastern -- 6-6; 220
Sasha Stefanovic -- 6-4; 195
Matt Haarms -- 7-3; 250

Plus 6-10 Jaquil Taylor should see his first real playing time this year. Hopefully a couple of them can actually play.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 01:20

pubic works project: Jan 28, 2005; No Decepticon in history, and I say this with great surety, has been treated worse or more unfairly.

PotatoJudge posted:

Purdue's incoming class has length:

Daniel Ewing -- 6-9; 215
Aaron Wheeler -- 6-9; 200
Nojel Eastern -- 6-6; 220
Sasha Stefanovic -- 6-4; 195
Matt Haarms -- 7-3; 250

Plus 6-10 Jaquil Taylor should see his first real playing time this year. Hopefully a couple of them can actually play.

I'm sure they'll whup our rear end in the Crossroads Classic this year.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 02:11

R.D. Mangles: Jan 10, 2004

how many freakishly large people with double a last names does purdue need, oh i just looked up a picture of haarms, congrats on signing ivan drago

# ? Jul 26, 2017 03:09

PotatoJudge: May 22, 2004; Tell me about the rabbits, George

R.D. Mangles posted:

how many freakishly large people with double a last names does purdue need, oh i just looked up a picture of haarms, congrats on signing ivan drago

He looked like a desiccated Isaac Haas when he came on campus in January. He had some sort of eligibility issue so he enrolled early and red-shirted because he only weighed 215. Haas is just an inch shorter but is close to 300.

# ? Jul 26, 2017 03:48

elentar: Aug 26, 2002; Every single year the Ivy League takes a break from fucking up the world through its various alumni to fuck up everyone's bracket instead.

NC State confirmed the signing of Braxton Beverly today. That's not even remotely an NC State name but if he can shoot even a little bit I think everyone will deal.

# ? Jul 28, 2017 20:36

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Watching Kansas destroy an Italian team, Udoka dunked so hard he was given a warning and screwed up the goal. They had to fix it. He's going to break a backboard this year guaranteed.

https://twitter.com/mctait/status/892793254676230144/video/1

https://twitter.com/JayhawkVideo/status/892796388362383361

kiimo fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Aug 2, 2017

# ? Aug 2, 2017 18:28

Mike_V: Jul 31, 2004; 3/18/2023: Day of the Dorks

MPJ's little brother Jontay is reclassifying for this year so Mizzou's class gets even better

# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:50

Grittybeard: Mar 29, 2010; Bad, very bad!

Mike_V posted:

MPJ's little brother Jontay is reclassifying for this year so Mizzou's class gets even better

It was already probably the best class Mizzou's ever had.

Everyone's going to be so young and I don't trust Cuonzo to figure things out really fast like Cal does, but it will be nice to at least watch potentially very good players. And MPJ, who I'm sure will be very good no matter what.

# ? Aug 10, 2017 05:01

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

congrats MU fans.

KU trying to keep up news-wise as Mitchell Robinson is visiting this weekend but he's never going to get a waiver so it's kind of pointless. Look for him in Australia or Greece this season.

# ? Aug 10, 2017 19:20

kiimo: Jul 24, 2003

Well here's a new wrinkle...

Apparently Mitchell Robinson's enrollment paperwork is not processed even though he attended some summer school classes. I guess the Dean could just deny enrollment automatically making Robinson a decommit instead of a transfer.

That Dean is...former KU vice chancellor Tim Caboni.

If KU somehow lands this guy they will trot out two NBA-caliber 7-footers this year. Their guards playing without a big scored 118 against the Italian all stars last week.

# ? Aug 10, 2017 23:26

opks22: Dec 12, 2003; Something wicked this way comes.

So... Bagley to Duke... :sigh:

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# ? May 13, 2024 22:12

Adun: Apr 15, 2001; Publicola; Fun Shoe

Jesus this is the best recruiting class in Duke history.

# ? Aug 15, 2017 13:09

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