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SirPhoebos posted:What is the explanation for why Earth stopped rotating, and how this hasn't turned the sun-locked side into a scorching desert? It's answered in the original Nier but I can't remember exactly why.
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...! posted:And that's because the machines have the capability to completely annihilate the androids at any time but they choose not to. The machine network was designed to fight the androids and has discovered that it values the fight itself more than it values victory. It would lose its sense of purpose if the androids were wiped out. so if the machines are just tinpot 40K Orks, what's up with building a space cannon? My first thought when I got to the D ending was "oh goodie, we're going to inflict this bullshit on a whole new alien race  "
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...! posted:And that's because the machines have the capability to completely annihilate the androids at any time but they choose not to. The machine network was designed to fight the androids and has discovered that it values the fight itself more than it values victory. It would lose its sense of purpose if the androids were wiped out. I'd think Jackass is also pissed, very pissed because The Commander died for nothing. See, Commander White and Jackass, they go way back. Unlike the rest of YoRHa, White was a resistance soldier first, and left to give the androids hope of victory. Having the best, kindest person she knew get killed just to amuse some machine... yeah. I can see why she'd take it badly.
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Jun 30, 2017 21:13
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Bug Squash posted:If you're willing to pick it up on PC the Mouse and Keyboard controls make it much easier and it feels tons better than using a controller. You'll be headshotting robots in slowmo all the time. Since I no longer use my PC for gaming (my disability causes me a lot of pain when sitting in a chair for too long), I haven't kept its graphic card up to date. Thus even using a Steam Link wouldn't be a good experience. I agree that FPS games are easier with mouse/keyboard (it took me a loooooooooong time to get used to using a controller for them) but I've always found third person action games to be easier with a controller, even on my PC.
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Jun 30, 2017 21:25
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SirPhoebos posted:What is the explanation for why Earth stopped rotating, and how this hasn't turned the sun-locked side into a scorching desert? A
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SirPhoebos posted:What is the explanation for why Earth stopped rotating, and how this hasn't turned the sun-locked side into a scorching desert? Oh that's an easy one: magic.
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SirPhoebos posted:so if the machines are just tinpot 40K Orks, what's up with building a space cannon? My first thought when I got to the D ending was "oh goodie, we're going to inflict this bullshit on a whole new alien race The original plan was to blow up the moon server to cause the androids to lose hope and make them easier to manage, but the events of A/B/C end up convincing the network that what they were doing to the androids was wrong, so they turn the payload into an ark to leave and forge their own existence. I think actually the moment of realization here is after A2 causes the terminal personalities to start fighting each other. It takes them down from their high horse of thinking themselves superior because of the network.
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Jun 30, 2017 22:10
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With only the two original perspectives in the Red Girls, there's not much wiggle room for alternative theories. With the extra copies they spawned while A2 fought them, the more and more slightly different each copy had until there was too much difference for them to agree on the original path. Hence the in-fighting until a new consensus was born with the ark project.
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Jul 1, 2017 00:49
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I'm having some difficulty getting a handle on 9S's combos. With 2B I was all about the small sword, but nothing really feels right to me with 9S. What weapons do people use with him?
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Jul 1, 2017 03:05
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The Lone Badger posted:I'm having some difficulty getting a handle on 9S's combos. With 2B I was all about the small sword, but nothing really feels right to me with 9S. What weapons do people use with him? The hacking function. 9S isn't a combat model, and arguably to a fault, that's reflected in how much worse he feels to play than 2B.
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The Lone Badger posted:I'm having some difficulty getting a handle on 9S's combos. With 2B I was all about the small sword, but nothing really feels right to me with 9S. What weapons do people use with him? Use spear or combat bracers and just use throw attack you do when you hold light attack.
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...! posted:And that's because the machines have the capability to completely annihilate the androids at any time but they choose not to. The machine network was designed to fight the androids and has discovered that it values the fight itself more than it values victory. It would lose its sense of purpose if the androids were wiped out. It's more like idiotic phrasing of orders by the aliens who ordered the machines to fight the androids, not to defeat the androids
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Jul 1, 2017 03:30
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It took me forever to realize to use the right stick on the controls for hacking mode. Not until the hacking dungeon of playthrough C did I realize that. Once I learned that, hacking actually became a lot of fun and not a huge pain in the rear end.
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some guy on the bus posted:It took me forever to realize to use the right stick on the controls for hacking mode. Not until the hacking dungeon of playthrough C did I realize that. Once I learned that, hacking actually became a lot of fun and not a huge pain in the rear end. 
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Similarly, I spent the entirety of Route A not realizing that the flight unit has a melee button that clears away bullets.
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Jul 1, 2017 05:49
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CJacobs posted:Similarly, I spent the entirety of Route A not realizing that the flight unit has a melee button that clears away bullets. I finished route e. I didnt know this.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:09
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Push all the buttons when you play video games.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:23
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Pretty sure it tells you about the melee attack during the tutorial, I didn't realise changing your pod changed your bullets during the shumup bits until halfway through route B though.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:35
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It tells you about light/heavy attacks in the first tutorial, yeah. It doesn't say that they can both break all orbs, though.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:36
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I just discovered that you can use the pod switch buttons during flight mode segments to shoot lasers/missiles.
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Jul 1, 2017 06:42
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Yeah when I played as 9S I used Spears mostly, because I figured they fit the best and have the most useful throw attack. Also there's a specific spear that I like a lot for it's bonus effect, Spear of the Usurper feels right for him
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Synthbuttrange posted:It's more like idiotic phrasing of orders by the aliens who ordered the machines to fight the androids, not to defeat the androids The Machines' orders WERE to defeat the enemy, but if they defeat the enemy, they have no more purpose to exist, despite already becoming self-aware and overthrowing their creators. Fulfilling their programming would also present a contradiction, as they could no longer defeat an enemy that was dead. So they extend their crusade into infinity, so that they can never violate their prime directive. This is basically the same thing the androids are doing - their prime directive is to care for humanity, which is now impossible, so it's caused a catastrophic existential logic loop. It's seriously some Asimov poo poo. Nier is legit quality sci-fi.
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I really like the irony of the whole situation. It gives a real good sense of existential dread. The androids' entire MO is "we're different from the machines" but the game demolishes that bit by bit and by the end it's revealed to you that actually the only difference including the parts they are made of is that the machines don't look like humans. Basically everything you're told about them is revealed to be a mistruth told to androids by other androids. You're told they don't think, but they do. You're told they don't have free will, but they do. You're told they don't feel, and they don't, but they're programmed to just like the androids are. CJacobs fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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Jul 1, 2017 08:03
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Automata is really at its best when it's an exploration on the psyche of a sentient being designed for a specific purpose facing the inherent purposelessness of life. I feel the individual story beats are just props for driving the themes and it's actually nice that it went that route to stand on its own compared to the first game that focused on exploring the characters first and foremost
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Jul 1, 2017 08:07
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I really like that the androids are totally unable to grasp the concept of not having an explicit purpose. I think a lot of people feel that way, the encroaching dread of having to shrug and say "well, now what". Yoko Taro is good at touching on some very base human properties in his games, OG Nier was good about that too regarding exploring the sense of self. Drakengard also is very good at making you sympathize with totally unlikable people.
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CJacobs posted:I really like the irony of the whole situation. It gives a real good sense of existential dread. Hell, the Machines not looking like humans might not even be relevant. The last remaining human is Emil, and the Machines look more like him - either because the aliens based them on him, or they're actually reverse-engineered Emil clones.
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The reveal that android black boxes are made out of machine cores was pretty brutal because being made of different stuff really was the last remaining difference between the two factions at that point.
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CJacobs posted:The reveal that android black boxes are made out of machine cores was pretty brutal because being made of different stuff really was the last remaining difference between the two factions at that point.
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CJacobs posted:The reveal that android black boxes are made out of machine cores was pretty brutal because being made of different stuff really was the last remaining difference between the two factions at that point. Well, to be fair... Those are only YoRHa black boxes. Regular androids don't have them. Which makes it worse for Nines. There are Androids, the children of humanity, built as caretakers and protectors by a species that, for all its faults and foibles, was quite remarkable. And there are Machines, creations of idiot-savants from beyond the stars designed only to kill. His whole life was built on the assumption that he and the rest of YoRHa were androids, humanity's most enduring triumph and a monument to its final failures. Only it turned out he was one of the machines he hated, built so that real androids wouldn't die in his place. Slightly different.
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Zereth posted:You mean that YoRHa black boxes are made out of them. Non-YoRHa androids don't have black boxes. YoRHa and the machines are the two main factions. The resistance exists but is never really super important to the overall story outside of Anemone and her relationship with A2.
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CJacobs posted:The reveal that android black boxes are made out of machine cores was pretty brutal because being made of different stuff really was the last remaining difference between the two factions at that point. I thought this plus the part where the red girl starts fighting herself after multiplying too much were really interesting. The machines (and yorha since they are the same) spend all their time trying to be more human, and little do they know that they succeeded in a lot of ways; one being our tendency to divide ourselves and demonize the "other" side. It's also funny that 9S is extremely certain that he is superior to (and so more human than) a machine, which is itself very human-like behavior. And then you have the red girl who thinks the same way: that she is a highly evolved superior being. So is it the more human you are, the more arrogant you become? Or is it the more arrogant you are, the more human you become? It's like a positive feedback loop. I like to think that the pods gradually gained free will through a loop like this.
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I'm annoyed that I missed the Type 4-0 sword and now can't get it until the end of the game. It's cool looking.
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Saagonsa posted:YoRHa and the machines are the two main factions. The resistance exists but is never really super important to the overall story outside of Anemone and her relationship with A2. That's not the point Zereth is making, at all.
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Saagonsa posted:YoRHa and the machines are the two main factions. The resistance exists but is never really super important to the overall story outside of Anemone and her relationship with A2. It doesn't change the fact that 9S thinks that him and other YoRHa androids are fundamentally the same as the resistance androids, except for special combat features like the black box. The reality is that Adam's cliched "we're not so different, you and I" line was pretty much the truth. 9S is just a machine that was built to fight and die just to perpetuate a lie for the sake of the real androids.
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Jul 1, 2017 10:28
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The machine core item icon is a sphere with a chunk blasted off. Inside is a cube.
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Jul 1, 2017 10:54
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Ending E question: So I got to the shooter section of ending E and couldn't beat it, and had to put the game down for like two months. As far as I know though, you get the option to delete your save, but there are sidequests that I haven't figured out how to get. Can you actually do everything before doing ending E?
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Jul 1, 2017 14:10
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Ending E answer: the save thing happens just after ending E. You can say no after getting E.
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Ending E discussion: You miss out on a small bit of the ending if you don't delete the save file iirc
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Jul 1, 2017 14:59
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More E spoilers: There aren't any additional story cutscenes if you make the sacrifice.
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Nier Atomato is a good game
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