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Either I didn't understand the guys criticism or maybe the costs are just too burdensome for a lot of chapters to send delegates. Regardless, I'll go read more about it. E: 'let's all have our delegates jump larry website for some reason' snipe
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Karl Barks posted:who is this robert and why do we have to follow his rules??? because its far too late for me return to my copy of them
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slicing up eyeballs posted:I agree with tgg & everyone calling out national, but I'm really confused at how antagonistic they were to people trying to help, like officers from other chapters. If I had to guess, this has been a frustration for them for a while, and it blew up last night. A frustration that mirrored the sentiments from reports from rural democrat canvassers in the 2016 Election getting underfunded/outright ignored by the DNC, which after months of "We told you so" from Jacobin et al Types, seems to not apply to the DSA walking into the same trap.
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Karl Barks posted:who is this robert and why do we have to follow his rules??? i got told a story by a comrade in a nearby chapter of some dude really wanting to join DSA for the sole reason of being really really into robert and his rules
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also lmao at twitter slapfights just close your eyes and walk away from the screen you dorks
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Business Gorillas posted:i got told a story by a comrade in a nearby chapter of some dude really wanting to join DSA for the sole reason of being really really into robert and his rules He's come to the right place.
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Kunster posted:A frustration that mirrored the sentiments from reports from rural democrat canvassers in the 2016 Election getting underfunded/outright ignored by the DNC, which after months of "We told you so" from Jacobin et al Types, seems to not apply to the DSA walking into the same trap. lol these are not similar in any way shape or form
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why don't poors vote to improve their material conditions - an idiot
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Wait, as an attorney do I have to turn in my DSA card 
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Jun 30, 2017 23:49
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Here's a radical idea have local chapters have treasurers that collect dues and induct members into the DSA and send those rolls + a cut of dues to Nationals maybe they'll actually build stronger and more active local chapters
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Nitrousoxide posted:Wait, as an attorney do I have to turn in my DSA card attorneys get us out of jail, not into it
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Phi230 posted:Here's a radical idea This is like half of how it works now, but nobody told the chapters how to do it, so everyone just registered through the website and chapters got screwed. Hopefully they retroactively kick back dues but 🤷♂️
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apropos to nothing posted:I feel like this is a mistake and I've explained why. Police officers engage in anti-union and anti-working class activity often times as part of their job, which makes it very hard for them to be brought into class struggle, at least on the correct side anyway. To say nothing of the anti-racist leg of our glorious ideological tripod. I will probably suggest excluding LEO to the organizing committee I'm connected to.
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I'm not a lawyer, but would the legal status of the local chapters have an impact on how membership dues have been collected and disbursed in the past? As i understand it from our treasurer, the national only recently released its recommendations on how chapters should incorporate as a 501(c)(4) nonprofit. Before that, they spent the better part of a year telling everyone to wait for guidance before incorporating. (which sucks for a lot of reasons, but that gets back to the national's broader capacity problems.) It's made it hard for us to do much in the way of formal fundraising until recently, so I wouldn't be surprised if that informed some of the national's approach to distributing membership dues as well.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Wait, as an attorney do I have to turn in my DSA card join the lawyers guild imo
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shouldn't DSA chapters file under 527 instead, especially if theres a shift towards running our own candidates
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lmao NO COPS GOD drat PEOPLE
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also we're staying in dorms for the convention and i hope i get to share a bunk bed with a goon
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Nitrousoxide posted:Wait, as an attorney do I have to turn in my DSA card prosecutors can kick rocks imho but that's not a hill i care enough to die on, other attorneys are good to have
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an actual dog posted:It uses a delegate system. People who can't go make their voices heard by sending delegates from their chapter. Being represented exclusively by delegates who can afford to spend a week in Chicago is not good enough for a Marxist organization.
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BrainParasite posted:Being represented exclusively by delegates who can afford to spend a week in Chicago is not good enough for a Marxist organization. buy everyone a bus ticket imo
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BrainParasite posted:Being represented exclusively by delegates who can afford to spend a week in Chicago is not good enough for a Marxist organization. sure but what alternatives are there other than like A Digital Convention (bleh) or shoving it all in one sunday or something (which would still require travel costs and at a skipping a day or so of work for most).
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Jul 1, 2017 13:14
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livestream the convention with each chapter having a location to vote. would still suck for unaffiliated members but would be better overall imo. delegates would be there simply to argue and bring things up for the vote
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Jul 1, 2017 13:51
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MIC CHECK MIC CHECK I THINK
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jarofpiss posted:prosecutors can kick rocks imho but that's not a hill i care enough to die on, other attorneys are good to have there's an extremely handsome man in DSA SF who does a lot of work against the death penalty and i wish we had a hundred of him
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consumed by normies posted:sure but what alternatives are there other than like A Digital Convention (bleh) or shoving it all in one sunday or something (which would still require travel costs and at a skipping a day or so of work for most). i have a real bad feeling that this convention is gonna be an absolute fuckfest in 4 days, 1 day seems ridiculous, especially for leftists to argue things that actually matter
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Even if the convention is a disaster everyone will to back to doing local organizing like 2 weeks after regardless. Expect a bunch of people (but <5% of the actual org) to get really butthurt and threaten to leave or leave or try to "split" to be more pure or whatever, that's natural in left orgs though and they wouldn't be in it for the long haul anyway.
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There's a good sized chunk of the left in America that sees their identity as a leftist or their place in "left culture" as more important than making matireal/tangible changes, these people are toxic and I hope they all leave the DSA with haste.
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Yeah, maybe I'm weird, but I'm all for organizing in a local level. especially for a multi tendency, broadly focused leftist organization, its hard to picture how to manage things on a national scope, better to improve things and take over in your city/county/state, and build from there.
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what'd be cool is if as we enter 2018 the states with multiple chapters set up some kind of state level committee to coordinate things between them
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I've heard there is a DSA California, but I don't know its nature.
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All I know about it is the closest chapter in Sacramento is disturbingly small for the center of political power in this state
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Business Gorillas posted:i have a real bad feeling that this convention is gonna be an absolute fuckfest in 4 days oh i hope so 
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the dsa convention just exists to produce red diaper babies
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consumed by normies posted:the dsa convention just exists to produce red diaper babies 
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what'd be cool is if as we enter 2018 the states with multiple chapters set up some kind of state level committee to coordinate things between them Texas, Colorado, and I'm sure at least a few other states are already doing stuff like that
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Raskolnikov38 posted:what'd be cool is if as we enter 2018 the states with multiple chapters set up some kind of state level committee to coordinate things between them We were planning this in Ohio but everyone had scheduling issues wrt the convention
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Important to keep in mind local chapters literally did not exist until about 6 months ago
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At the current rate every city over 10,000 ppl will have a DSA chapter by *hits calculator buttons* next year
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If we project this out to 2025, the number of socialists in America will be greater than the total global population
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