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Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



[quote="“Blue Train”" post="“473951105”"]
There’s no reason to buy a 400 dollar phone. Buy a two hundred dollar moto g or a pixel
[/quote]

Well if you want to be in Fi and not pay flagship prices and also don't want a 1.5 year old phone you have no other options

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Thermopyle
Jul 1, 2003

...the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. —Bertrand Russell

Endless Mike posted:

Well if you want to be in Fi and not pay flagship prices and also don't want a 1.5 year old phone you have no other options

Is Fi really worth it then?

Don Lapre
Mar 28, 2001

If you're having problems you're either holding the phone wrong or you have tiny girl hands.
If your data usage is low

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

You can get a gb of data with cricket for 30 dollars on at&t network. 35 will get you 5gb of data on Verizon network with total wireless

SystemLogoff
Feb 19, 2011

End Session?

Blue Train posted:

You can get a gb of data with cricket for 30 dollars on at&t network. 35 will get you 5gb of data on Verizon network with total wireless

Or 115 dollars for 5GB in canada. Woo.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



Thermopyle posted:

Is Fi really worth it then?

It only was for like its first six months, so :shrug: there's weirdos who really want Google to have every possible bit of data about them they can generate.

vyst
Aug 25, 2009



Endless Mike posted:

It only was for like its first six months, so :shrug: there's weirdos who really want Google to have every possible bit of data about them they can generate.

Lmao if you care about your data.

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe
Fi is a cool concept but I use a lot of data so it's not an option

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Don Lapre posted:

If your data usage is low

And or you're out of the country a lot.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

If those rude-rear end animes are on a micro SD card

Popelmon
Jan 24, 2010

wow
so spin

Blue Train posted:

You can get a gb of data with cricket for 30 dollars on at&t network. 35 will get you 5gb of data on Verizon network with total wireless

Wait, you pay 30 dollars for 1 GB? I pay 8 bucks for 1 GB with my lovely rear end provider here in Germany. And I can top it off again for 5 bucks.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness

Popelmon posted:

Wait, you pay 30 dollars for 1 GB? I pay 8 bucks for 1 GB with my lovely rear end provider here in Germany. And I can top it off again for 5 bucks.

I pay the same amount for 3.5 GB in Austria, size of the country matters (among other things).

Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

Popelmon posted:

Wait, you pay 30 dollars for 1 GB? I pay 8 bucks for 1 GB with my lovely rear end provider here in Germany. And I can top it off again for 5 bucks.

Data is a rare precious metal here in America. You have to pay ridiculous amounts of money if you want to stream more than 1 hour of HD video on your device or upload a bunch of hi-res images to the cloud. I pay $60 a month for my "unlimited" Cricket plan, but it's capped at 8mbps and after 22GB (which I've never surpassed) in a month it gets real slow. I don't know what TV is like over there, but people routinely give cable monopolies 200+ dollars a month to have advertisements, slow internet, and The Walking Dead delivered into their homes. For that exorbitant amount we are rewarded with terrible customer service, hidden fees, clueless service techs and random outages.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

Popelmon posted:

Wait, you pay 30 dollars for 1 GB? I pay 8 bucks for 1 GB with my lovely rear end provider here in Germany. And I can top it off again for 5 bucks.

I personally use total wireless, but yes American cellular plans are hosed and Canada is worse. Those are both mvnos which makes them cheaper than regular plans as well

Uthor
Jul 9, 2006

Gummy Bear Heaven ... It's where I go when the world is too mean.

Popelmon posted:

Wait, you pay 30 dollars for 1 GB? I pay 8 bucks for 1 GB with my lovely rear end provider here in Germany. And I can top it off again for 5 bucks.

1GB of data, plus unlimited calling and texting.

I'm paying $45 on Cricket for 8GB of data, plus unlimited calling and texting.

I feel like Project Fi leads to higher data usage. There were people who complained that they were using more data after switching to Fi in the past. I was struggling to keep my usage under 3GB per month (installing apps with data caps so I didn't blow through money). After switching to an 8GB plan and not worrying about data usage at all, I'm going to hit about 2.5GB this month.

Which reminds me: it's real easy to have an app runaway and use up a whole bunch of data and then getting charged a bunch of money for it. I once lost WiFi whole watching YouTube and racked up $5-10 on data in a single day. Had an app misbehave while driving (don't know if it was Google Play Music or Maps) and eat up a few hundred MBs whole I wasn't using the phone at all. Paying per MB of data on Fi made me super paranoid.

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe
I got my G5+ on June 20th and I've already used 13 gigs. I'm going to die with my TMO grandfathered unlimited plan.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
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Incessant Excess posted:

I pay the same amount for 3.5 GB in Austria, size of the country matters (among other things).

Here in Singapore:
-200mbps unlimited FTTH = $15 / mth
-3GB data + voice plan without bundled handset = $15 / mth
-Redmi 4X phone, no contract = $80

Lyfe is gud

Chikimiki
May 14, 2009
Unlimited calls, SMS and 40 GB data per month for 25€ with socialist French mobile plan :v:

Mu Zeta
Oct 17, 2002

Me crush ass to dust

I am on t mobile in the us and pay $30 for 5 gigs a month

dwarf74
Sep 2, 2012



Buglord
Republic Wireless, so I'm at $20 for 1 gig but never use half of it because wifi is everywhere.

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness
Google Now shows me things I'm interested in but only from german websites, rather than the english ones I usually visit. Is there some way to change the language google now uses? Do I need to change my system language?

cage-free egghead
Mar 8, 2004
Did we ever add carrier data rates to the Android thread bingo sheet?

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




I'm on Rogers and get 5GB on the $110 plan so gently caress you all I hope you all choke on your cheap data

Alan_Shore
Dec 2, 2004

Lol how can they charge so much for data it's just ones and zeroes it's not even real haha

Unjustifiable

grack
Jan 10, 2012

COACH TOTORO SAY REFEREE CAN BANISH WHISTLE TO LAND OF WIND AND GHOSTS!

Incessant Excess posted:

Google Now shows me things I'm interested in but only from german websites, rather than the english ones I usually visit. Is there some way to change the language google now uses? Do I need to change my system language?

Look at less weird porn

Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

Alan_Shore posted:

Lol how can they charge so much for data it's just ones and zeroes it's not even real haha

Unjustifiable

How else do you expect CEO's to become multi-billionaires without companies charging ridiculous amounts of money for such services? The liberals violent leftists call this an unsustainable transfer of wealth to the top, but I'm pretty sure those CEO's are going to "trickle down" their massive earnings on the rest of us. You have to remember, when the super rich profit, we all do.

E: Phone related, the Huawei Mate 9 continues to be my favorite phone ever. Don't buy a One Plus anything, buy this. It's got a huge screen while being the same size as many 5.5in phones, gets 10 hours of screen-on-time, and takes good pictures.

Mental Hospitality fucked around with this message at 06:09 on Jul 3, 2017

couldcareless
Feb 8, 2009

Spheal used Swagger!
Have any pixel owners had issues where Android System is above and beyond the biggest battery use and battery life is cut short dramatically as a result? Sometimes it will be Android System and a mixture of Android os and Google Play Services. It doesn't seem to happen every day and I'm having trouble pinpointing what might be causing it. About to go to support with it but thought I'd poke in here and ask first.

I'm on a 120GB pixel running 7.1.2

ColdPie
Jun 9, 2006

Someone might correct me, but I think that can be caused by the phone trying repeatedly to connect to a spotty cell connection. If you're spending a lot of time in buildings, or underground, or in rural areas, you can turn off the cell signal while you're not using it to save some battery.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Yeah, one of the issues with the way power is tracked is that a whole bunch of background app ills will be bundled under Android System. (It's probably Facebook)

couldcareless
Feb 8, 2009

Spheal used Swagger!
No Facebook installed and it seems to happen when I'm at home on my wifi (the signal is strong). It frequently happens when the phone is idle as well

Correction, I have Facebook messenger that I use very infrequently. I'll uninstall that and see how it goes.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

couldcareless posted:

Have any pixel owners had issues where Android System is above and beyond the biggest battery use and battery life is cut short dramatically as a result? Sometimes it will be Android System and a mixture of Android os and Google Play Services. It doesn't seem to happen every day and I'm having trouble pinpointing what might be causing it. About to go to support with it but thought I'd poke in here and ask first.

I'm on a 120GB pixel running 7.1.2

Try disabling background data for part of a day and see if that helps, unless you need notifications at all times. If you tap on the battery graph it will give you a set of bars listing stuff like SOT, wake time, wifi and mobile signal. If you're dealing with a weak signal (i.e. you have sprint or you work in a place with lots of attenuating materials in the vicinity like concete, steel, or earth) you'll see big patches of red at the same time as steep drops in battery life. Basically the phone uses extra juice trying to clean up and reconnect to a weak cell signal, and poorly coded apps/facebook will just beat the hell out of your battery literally going :f5: on the dying mobile signal instead of using some kind of reasonable time out loop.

Blue Train
Jun 17, 2012

The LG boot loop class action suit got dismissed and moved to arbitration

quote:

The California Central District Court has passed an order to compel arbitration in this case, thus dismissing the class action lawsuit. LG had filed for a motion to compel arbitration, and based on the facts of the case, the Court saw it fit to grant the motion and dismiss the lawsuit without prejudice (an “open door” to file the case again later).

The grant of the motion in LG’s favor came through a smart legal technicality that LG incorporated in its sales strategy. AndroidPolice has uploaded a copy of the Order, which mentions that the Court has adopted the standard laid down in the [famous] case of Hill v. Gateway 2000, Inc. The Hill case basically lays down that additional terms can become part of the contract between parties even if they were not specifically spelled out at the time of contract, provided that the parties had an opportunity to inspect the terms and their acceptance of the additional terms can be assumed from their lack of refusal.

In LG’s case, each of the purchased phones came in a box which contained documentation related to LG’s Limited Warranty. The Limited Warranty contained a provision for arbitration which makes it binding upon the parties (LG and the purchaser) to resolve disputes through binding arbitration instead of in Court, unless the purchaser chooses to opt out. The ability to opt-out of this arbitration clause (a clause that prohibits class action lawsuits and jury trials) is time-limited, giving the purchaser the option to send LG an email or call a toll-free number within 30 days from the date of purchase.

Applying Hill’s case to the carefully drafted Warranty Agreement, the additional terms of Limited Warranty become applicable and binding on the parties. This is irrespective of the purchasers even knowing about the existence of these additional terms prior to purchasing, nor is it affected by the simplistic human nature to ignore all documentations inside of our phone boxes. Since the agreement to refer to arbitration and waive off a civil lawsuit hinged on the explicit refusal to accept the clause, the purchasers were deemed to have accepted the arbitration clause when their 30-day period ended. Under the laws applicable in LG’s case, silence did constitute assent in this context.

The state-specific law discussed above {in the Order} makes clear that each of the three states recognizes that shrinkwrap or “in-the-box” agreements, such as Defendants’, can be accepted through silence or inaction. The agreement here, which could be found inside the box of the product, gave Plaintiffs 30 days to return the product or opt out of the arbitration clause. Plaintiffs chose to keep the phones without opting out. As a result, the Court agrees with Defendants that Plaintiffs have assented to the agreement found inside the box, including the arbitration clause.

WeAreTheRomans
Feb 23, 2010

by R. Guyovich
How the gently caress can waiving statutory rights be an opt-out clause. I can't imagine this would be legal in the EU

Jacobus Spades
Oct 29, 2004

It's a pretty common item in end user agreements and warranties. With that in mind though my question would be why other similar lawsuits were not dismissed under such clauses, or why consumer protection doesn't kick in when a company misrepresents when a manufacturing defect exists and how widespread it actually is.

MikeJF
Dec 20, 2003




Jacobus Spades posted:

It's a pretty common item in end user agreements and warranties.

Common only because it's insanely allowed in America. And nowhere else, because it's an absurd violation of basic consumer rights.

MikeJF fucked around with this message at 16:15 on Jul 3, 2017

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

WeAreTheRomans posted:

How the gently caress can waiving statutory rights be an opt-out clause. I can't imagine this would be legal in the EU

Consumers having rights would be like cows or chickens having rights, the very idea is absurd on its face. Now we have that out of the way, how does everyone think the totally independent arbitrator (who is paid by LG) will decide in the case of Multibillion Dollar Corporation Who Pays My Salary vs. Idiot Consumer McComplainy-pants #14,214?

:thunk:

Incessant Excess
Aug 15, 2005

Cause of glitch:
Pretentiousness
Rumor has it Samsung is working on an S8 mini with a 5.3 inch screen 18:9 screen and a Snapdragon 821 because of course it can't be an 835.

monster on a stick
Apr 29, 2013

WeAreTheRomans posted:

How the gently caress can waiving statutory rights be an opt-out clause. I can't imagine this would be legal in the EU

Opt-out is standard in class action suits. The idea being that if you are someone who isn't even aware of the lawsuit, you are automatically in, meaning you will be part of the suit and will receive your share of the settlement.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy
Is Samsung still keeping compatibility with Gear VR for all these new phones?

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Inept
Jul 8, 2003

monster on a stick posted:

Opt-out is standard in class action suits. The idea being that if you are someone who isn't even aware of the lawsuit, you are automatically in, meaning you will be part of the suit and will receive your share of the settlement.

He meant opt-out for the arbitration clause. It's at the end of the 7 page agreement that is printed in tiny font on a booklet that is 3 inches tall.

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