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FMguru fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 4, 2017 04:25
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maskenfreiheit posted:oh silly me I thought he meant a CEO wanted to fire a dev for banging his wife, bringing to mind the hit HBO comedy Silicon Valley no worries. it's very easy to misinterpret people's posts when they use words wrong without making any kind of joke or wordplay. shalom friend.
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Jul 4, 2017 04:29
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Firing someone in the UK is a huge pain in the rear end. You have to be able to prove that they were truly hopeless even when presented with an opportunity to improve, or else you're open to unfair dismissal charges. Sounds like a great idea until you realise that people get warned and then improve and then go back to being dogshit 6 months later and the cycle repeats.
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Jul 4, 2017 04:32
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qhat posted:Firing someone in the UK is a huge pain in the rear end. You have to be able to prove that they were truly hopeless even when presented with an opportunity to improve, or else you're open to unfair dismissal charges. Sounds like a great idea until you realise that people get warned and then improve and then go back to being dogshit 6 months later and the cycle repeats. better than the "at will" system in which you have the "right" to end your employment at will but so does your employer. if they sack you for your race or something you have to sue them so good loving luck with that unless you have a literally email from the CEO saying "fire Sally, im not fond of the blacks". but see it's fair because you can quit for any reason also and employer employee relationships are totally symmetrical.
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Jul 4, 2017 04:37
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You can be fired for any reason, or no reason, just not an illegal reason.
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Jul 4, 2017 04:46
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ShadowHawk posted:You can be fired for any reason, or no reason, just not an illegal reason. as long as you have rock-solid physical evidence or have enough money to outlast an employer in court
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Jul 4, 2017 04:48
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ShadowHawk posted:You can be fired for any reason, or no reason, just not an illegal reason. let me guess, you're white, straight, and identify as the gender you were born
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Jul 4, 2017 05:08
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ShadowHawk posted:You can be fired for any reason, or no reason, just not an illegal reason. lmao
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Jul 4, 2017 05:09
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sometimes it's better to not 
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Jul 4, 2017 05:09
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cis autodrag posted:SCSI WAGON scsi is a bus god drat it
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Jul 4, 2017 05:11
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cis autodrag posted:as long as you have rock-solid physical evidence or have enough money to outlast an employer in court minivanmegafun posted:let me guess, you're white, straight, and identify as the gender you were born
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Jul 4, 2017 05:14
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Yeah it's really stupid but that's basically what "the law" on this is (which means in practice you should save as much evidence as you can but still expect to lose if you're on the wrong side of a wrongful termination)
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Jul 4, 2017 05:20
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yeah your manager can literally fire you because they deeply hate that you are gay, but as long as all the documentation and their story are consistent in saying "we fired them for no reason at all, life sucks" they're in the clear. it's hosed. maybe im some kinda commie but i think you need to show some kind of cause and meet some level of proof for it to fire people unless your company is literally laying off huge groups just to stay open.
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Jul 4, 2017 05:26
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most large companies are so scared of lawsuits (at least in west coast tech) that it takes about two years to fire someone that is terrible, even when they have great cause. you have to put them on a performance improvement program first and document their progress. smart but lazy people will immediately find a new job instead of trying to deal with it. those that are just bad will try to improve and most likely fail and then get bitter and probably ragequit before they get fired.
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Jul 4, 2017 06:42
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Being able to fire people for retarded reasons is less horrible than not being allowed to fire them at least -anyone who has ever worked with people (idiots) ever
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Jul 4, 2017 06:43
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And yeah what the mgmnt said, firing is really rare because of conservative paralysis even if it's an ultra good idea
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Jul 4, 2017 06:44
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The Management posted:most large companies are so scared of lawsuits (at least in west coast tech) that it takes about two years to fire someone that is terrible, even when they have great cause. you have to put them on a performance improvement program first and document their progress. smart but lazy people will immediately find a new job instead of trying to deal with it. those that are just bad will try to improve and most likely fail and then get bitter and probably ragequit before they get fired. east coast tech they gather evidence and fire you. at will doesn't really come into play unless you're a young white dude at which point theres no risk to the firing. when it comes to actual discrimination, legal harassment (bad assignments, strict policy enforcement, etc...) until they quit is the generally accepted practice.
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Jul 4, 2017 06:53
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qhat posted:Firing someone in the UK is a huge pain in the rear end. You have to be able to prove that they were truly hopeless even when presented with an opportunity to improve, or else you're open to unfair dismissal charges. Sounds like a great idea until you realise that people get warned and then improve and then go back to being dogshit 6 months later and the cycle repeats. lol it really must make things tough when one of your coworkers doesn't give it their all coding enterprise-grade fart apps basically you're a megachump if you care about someone else's work performance if they aren't in danger of killing someone
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Jul 4, 2017 07:00
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:And yeah what the mgmnt said, firing is really rare because of conservative paralysis even if it's an ultra good idea At my last company, I think I can recall 2 people in total getting fired in the 4 years I was there, both for gross negligence. And there were certainly a lot of people who I was convinced should not be employed by us.
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Jul 4, 2017 07:15
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ADINSX posted:My name's Buck and I'm here to cuck nuc if you cuck
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Jul 4, 2017 11:26
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:Being able to fire people for retarded reasons is less horrible than not being allowed to fire them at least spoken like someone who has never been fired for retarded reasons i'd rather work with 1 million retards than be unemployed and have to do interviews, fizzbuzz, and 6 hour unpaid homework projects. School of How fucked around with this message at 14:23 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Jul 4, 2017 14:18
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so what you're saying is... ... job hunting is garbage??
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Jul 4, 2017 14:30
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cis autodrag posted:i think he is being a dumb person who uses cuck to mean any kind of betrayal and the dev was doing work somewhere else on the side. he was loving the ceo's wife e: loving as in having sex with
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Jul 4, 2017 14:39
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i wouldn't use literally figuratively my friend 
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Jul 4, 2017 14:43
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well look the CEO wanted a rockstar developer... be careful what you wish for
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Jul 4, 2017 14:43
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power botton posted:well look the CEO wanted a rockstar developer... be careful what you wish for lol
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Jul 4, 2017 14:57
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I remember joining a student job and telling them "I can work any night of the week except Monday since I have class that night", them saying "fine", calling me in on a Monday telling me I was scheduled while I was not. I managed to show up there anyway only for them to say "oh sorry you were right you were not scheduled but while you're here why don't you work tonight?" Then when they gave the schedule for the next week with me scheduled on monday night again; I repeated "nope, I told you I can't work monday nights, I'm not giving up school for a part time job" and they fired me for 'lack of motivation' after 2 weeks. well that's my story of lovely totally legal and valid reason for being fired.
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Jul 4, 2017 14:59
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cis autodrag posted:i think he is being a dumb person who uses cuck to mean any kind of betrayal and the dev was doing work somewhere else on the side. No the story was the CEO was literally cucked by one of his employees: https://workplace.stackexchange.com/questions/7617/how-should-i-deal-with-an-employee-who-has-slept-with-my-wife
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Jul 5, 2017 03:15
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ThePeavstenator posted:No the story was the CEO was literally cucked by one of his employees: lol. my point continues to be made; everyone using the word "cuck" in every context possible makes it practically useless for actual communication. also i think "slept with your partner" is a reason to fire someone even i would support.
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Jul 5, 2017 04:03
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ThePeavstenator posted:No the story was the CEO was literally cucked by one of his employees: lmfao this is gold because if he's fired for dating the wife (who has, at this point left the founder) it probably can be twisted around to sexual harassment. there's a lot of confounds (did the cucking happen at work or work related functions) but yeah, firing someone for dating your ex wife at the very least would make it to court and cost a poo poo load to litigate if the cucker is smart he'll leverage that fact to get a fat payout from the ceo god bless america 
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Jul 5, 2017 04:14
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maskenfreiheit posted:lmfao this is gold because if he's fired for dating the wife (who has, at this point left the founder) it probably can be twisted around to sexual harassment. How would that ever get to sexual harassment? The guy didn't "date" his boss's "ex-wife", he had an affair with her while she was still married to him. I don't think he'd get any sympathy from any judge if he decided to take it to court after being fired for a serious breach of trust.
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Jul 5, 2017 04:47
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qhat posted:How would that ever get to sexual harassment? The guy didn't "date" his boss's "ex-wife", he had an affair with her while she was still married to him. I don't think he'd get any sympathy from any judge if he decided to take it to court after being fired for a serious breach of trust. "stop dating soandso because I want to" is textbook sexual harassment. he also should be recusing himself from personnel matters he has a conflict of interest in and again, he might lose but if you have to spend 100k getting to that point a 50k settlement starts to make sense
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Jul 5, 2017 04:55
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Honestly I think if I was in that situation I'd have the guy instantly locked out of all the company's accounts and phone him immediately after and tell him not to come in the next day or any day for that matter. Litigation or not, it's the only logical option since the person cannot possibly be trusted with the owner's assets (the business) and waiting around is only going to make him weaker in court. What would be funny is if the wife got a cut of the business in the divorce settlement and then married the guy she had the affair with.
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Jul 5, 2017 05:07
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qhat posted:Honestly I think if I was in that situation I'd have the guy instantly locked out of all the company's accounts and phone him immediately after and tell him not to come in the next day or any day for that matter. Litigation or not, it's the only logical option since the person cannot possibly be trusted with the owner's assets (the business) and waiting around is only going to make him weaker in court. What would be funny is if the wife got a cut of the business in the divorce settlement and then married the guy she had the affair with. sorry he stole your wife, bro
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Jul 5, 2017 06:41
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i'm really not seeing the connection between sleeping with someone's wife and not being trustworthy with assets unless we're considering a wife an asset in which case get some loving perspective you creep
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Jul 5, 2017 07:45
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I think there is an unspoken trust I have in all my friends and coworkers that they won't sleep with my wife and if that trust was broken I'd have good reason not to trust them with other things
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Jul 5, 2017 15:53
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Got and accepted an offer several weeks ago that is across the board way worse than the place cis autodrag worked for. Besides ruck marching at night I'm not really sure. What the hell else should I be doing? I use indeed.com and most of the daily upkeep is jobs that involve a mall in Madison, WI I Started looking at Vegas indeed but still I'm pretty sure that I'm shooting way to low.
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Jul 5, 2017 16:19
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havent heard a peep posted:Got and accepted an offer several weeks ago that is across the board way worse than the place cis autodrag worked for. Besides ruck marching at night I'm not really sure. What the hell else should I be doing? I use indeed.com and most of the daily upkeep is jobs that involve a mall in Madison, WI I Started looking at Vegas indeed but still I'm pretty sure that I'm shooting way to low. What red flags did you ignore during the interview that led you to taking the job? Alternatively: what questions did you not ask that would have uncovered the red flags?
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Jul 5, 2017 16:23
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havent heard a peep posted:Got and accepted an offer several weeks ago that is across the board way worse than the place cis autodrag worked for. Besides ruck marching at night I'm not really sure. What the hell else should I be doing? I use indeed.com and most of the daily upkeep is jobs that involve a mall in Madison, WI I Started looking at Vegas indeed but still I'm pretty sure that I'm shooting way to low. in all your posting, i've never really managed to nail down what it is you do. did you at any point have a professional certification or degree of some type that would help narrow down the search, or are you pretty much just looking for "anything that will pay me without violation of bodily integrity"?
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Jul 5, 2017 16:28
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cis autodrag posted:in all your posting, i've never really managed to nail down what it is you do. did you at any point have a professional certification or degree of some type that would help narrow down the search, or are you pretty much just looking for "anything that will pay me without violation of bodily integrity"? the last bit doesn't hold lol, medical guinea pig crew
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