NBA Offseason G/V: Let Me Hear You Post It

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What is going to be your favorite offseason storyline? This poll is closed.
The Big3 Tourney	67	22.41%
Will Lakers draft Ball	40	13.38%
Where will the Pauls go	54	18.06%
Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ??	41	13.71%
Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking	97	32.44%
Total:	210 votes

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Salvor_Hardin: Sep 13, 2005; I want to go protest.; Nap Ghost

The B_36 posted:

I really, desperately, DO NOT want to wade into the Labour vs Capital debate and be faced with having to read 1100 pages of the Communist Manifesto, but why would this whole KD taking a paycut thing concern the Players Union at all? There are obviously real issues about labour vs capital in the modern world, but this contract seems to have absolutely nothing to do with it. As a whole, the players get 50% of league revenue, that number doesn't change at all if Durant signs for $500 million or if he signs for twenty bucks. This isn't labour giving the owners money - the players as a whole get the same, the owners get the same. I can see the top tier players getting a little annoyed that he's set a precedent that it's somewhat expected that you take a paycut to keep a good team together and win a championship, but again, that has nothing to do with the labour/capital divide, that's an issue between different groups of labourers. Him taking less money means that money goes to other players, not to the owners. He saved his team's owner some money, but that luxury tax money isn't going to the players, it goes to the owner's of teams who aren't spending as much money on their teams at the moment. I would think if you're anti-capital, you would like it if a bunch of owners weren't getting as much free money from another owner, or at least you wouldn't care (since you don't care how much tax Joe Lacob has to pay for his championship team, you shouldn't care how much tax money the Sixers owner receives).

This deal has nothing to do with labour vs capital, but from a competitive standpoint, it's still easy to see it as a weak move, so feel free to criticize him for that. In a regular job, taking less money to stay in a job and situation you like is usually a wise decision that people applaud you for, but sports are an inherently competitive industry for the labourers (the labourers compete directly against each other in an effort to win, whereas in my job I couldn't really care less if Honda out-competes Toyota or vice versa, as long as I get my paycheque) so it's a bit different. You're expected as an athlete to always be competing hard and helping your team win. It's weird tho, that KD made a decision that still resulted in him being on the best team, but I (and most non-Dubs fans) still think he's a bitch for it.

Sports are stupid sometimes.

This is the main issue and yes it absolutely is related to capital vs labor. It also isn't isolated to top tier players and frankly isn't even limited to professional sports. The idea that asking for a raise hurts your team gets ingrained in office settings as well. My wife works for a university and they structure raises in a fixed pool and make the information public such that the employees are guilted into not pursuing raises.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:44

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# ? May 15, 2024 22:39

E2M2: Mar 2, 2007; Ain't No Thang.

Yea that doesn't seem much for George Hill

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:44

NickRoweFillea: Sep 27, 2012; doin thangs

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2710284-zach-randolph-kings-reportedly-agree-to-2-year-24-million-contract

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:46

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

I secretly wonder if Vlade mixed up the year when he has to give up the draft pick.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:47

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

lol, Portland isn't going to be able to dump anyone I guess.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:49

Spoeank: Jul 16, 2003; That's a nice set of 11 dynasty points there, it would be a shame if 3 rings were to happen with it

If the Kings use the partial guarantee on Hill then he, Kuofos, ZBo and Temple all expire going into 2019.

That... actually makes sense and is kind of forward thinking. What the hell vlade

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:51

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

https://twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/882295963175583744

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:54

NickRoweFillea: Sep 27, 2012; doin thangs

gently caress today. America sucks. I miss you Zbo.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:55

Tae: Oct 24, 2010; Hello? Can you hear me? ...Perhaps if I shout? AAAAAAAAAH!

How many Grizzlies eventually becomes Kings? I feel like this has been a trend.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:56

G-Hawk: Dec 15, 2003

Spacebump posted:

Correct me if I'm wrong but have only 3 West teams gotten worse so far this offseason? (Lakers, Clippers, Grizz)

Are the Lakers even worse? I guess depending on how good Lonzo is and if they sign anyone else.

Maybe Dallas? They're mostly remarkable for having done nothing whatsoever I guess and are just a year older

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:57

Michael Transactions: Nov 11, 2013

Redgrendel2001 posted:

https://twitter.com/KyleNeubeck/status/882295963175583744

It's happening

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:58

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

vaginal facsimile posted:

It's happening

He looks like a troller. I don't fuckin trust him.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:59

WhyteRyce: Dec 30, 2001

Spoeank posted:

If the Kings use the partial guarantee on Hill then he, Kuofos, ZBo and Temple all expire going into 2019.

That... actually makes sense and is kind of forward thinking. What the hell vlade

It's not really Vlade. Since Ken Catanella came over we've been giving out much better deals

https://twitter.com/TimMaxwell22/status/882296614278373377

Vlade, for all this faults, really did a good job of plugging leaks

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:00

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

Hayward's website is down and is redirecting to his Facebook page. Clearly he's changing the color scheme.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:01

Carlosologist: Oct 13, 2013; Revelry in the Dark

boston doesn't deserve nice things so I hope Hayward either signs with Miami or stays in Utah

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:01

Michael Transactions: Nov 11, 2013

Danny is going to sign Hayward and then trade him immediately for PG

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:01

Lugnut Seatcushion: May 4, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

vaginal facsimile posted:

Danny is going to sign Hayward and then trade him immediately for PG

Please let this happen

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:02

socketwrencher: Apr 10, 2012; Be still and know.

Redgrendel2001 posted:

Yes there are explicit prohibitions and those perks that you mentioned probably would attract the attention of the commissioner's office.

EvanTH posted:

There are absolutely rules against that. After the 1999-2000 season the league found out the Timberwolves had promised a completely average player with the completely average name of Joe Smith a future good contract if he'd sign with them for cheaper right then. They voided the last year of his contract and the T-Wolves had to forfeit FIVE first round draft picks, which is huge and hosed them up for a long, long time. It's almost certainly the main reason they have the longest playoffs drought in the league (made conference finals in '04), one year longer than the Seattle Supersonics (made semis in '05), a team which does not exist anymore.

Thanks to you both for the feedback. While I'd guess that some implicit arrangements fly under the radar, it sounds like the league does what it can to minimize them. Five first round picks is seriously dropping the hammer.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:02

Spacebump: Dec 24, 2003; Dallas Mavericks: Generations

G-Hawk posted:

Are the Lakers even worse? I guess depending on how good Lonzo is and if they sign anyone else.

Maybe Dallas? They're mostly remarkable for having done nothing whatsoever I guess and are just a year older

The Lakers are worse because they gave up their best young player and replaced him with a rookie. This might be a good long term move but this season it will hurt them.

Dallas is almost all young guys now. They started playing decent in January onward, screwing up their spot in the draft. I expect them to be slightly better outside of Dirk. Roster continuity should help their improvement. The wild card is how much freedom Carlisle gives to Dennis Smith Jr. Yogi and Barea are probably better NBA players right now. Carlisle has said Smith Jr. will start, I'm curious to if he changes his mind after too many rookie turnovers and lapses on defense.

Spacebump fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jul 4, 2017

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:05

Lockback: Sep 3, 2006; All days are nights to see till I see thee; and nights bright days when dreams do show me thee.

They ended up reducing it to two, if I recall. But yeah they made an example. In that case though the Timberwolves literally put the agreement in writing so they were pretty stupid.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:05

xbilkis: Apr 11, 2005; god qb
me
jay hova

Will Tatum be able to get any playing time next season if Hayward signs with Boston

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:05

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

xbilkis posted:

Will Tatum be able to get any playing time next season if Hayward signs with Boston

Brad Stevens plays whoever he wants wherever he wants for better or worse so I don't see it being too much of a problem

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:06

Redgrendel2001: Sep 1, 2006; you literally think a person saying their NBA team of choice being better than the fucking 76ers is a 'schtick'

a literal thing you think.

Cool Buff Man posted:

He looks like a troller. I don't fuckin trust him.

Neubeck is very legit.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:07

Ghost Dog: Aug 17, 2016

cant trust any free agency leaks that arent from mike miller imo

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:07

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

Redgrendel2001 posted:

Neubeck is very legit.

Hahah I mean the trainer

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:07

Cool Buff Man: Jul 30, 2006; bitch

https://twitter.com/MichaelVPina/status/882298340066635776

Real?

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:13

WhyteRyce: Dec 30, 2001

I guess this takes the Kings out of the running for Otto Porter, what does this do to that offer? Does he even have anything for Washington to match now?

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:13

Dexo: Aug 15, 2009; A city that was to live by night after the wilderness had passed. A city that was to forge out of steel and blood-red neon its own peculiar wilderness.

don't the kings have hella cap space? Hill and Randolph's money isn't that much.

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:15

Lugnut Seatcushion: May 4, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

Dexo posted:

don't the kings have hella cap space? Hill and Randolph's money isn't that much.

Like 19 million or so now I believe

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:16

Jota: May 6, 2003; uga-booga uga-booga

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/882302263519326208

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:17

Lugnut Seatcushion: May 4, 2013; Lipstick Apathy

Jota posted:

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/882302263519326208

gently caress

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:18

Strawberry Panda: Nov 4, 2007; Breakfast Defecting, Slow Dick Touching, Root Beer Barreling SwagVP

Jota posted:

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/882302263519326208

Bring back Dion, Pat!

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:18

Michael Transactions: Nov 11, 2013

Word is born

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:18

Dejan Bimble: Mar 24, 2008; we're all black friends; Plaster Town Cop

xbilkis posted:

Will Tatum be able to get any playing time next season if Hayward signs with Boston

He played like 90% of his time at Duke as a small ball 4, which is the duke style. He could do that off the bench and get minutes, with Brown starting, conceivably

# ? Jul 4, 2017 19:18