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I can't think of something more likely to lead to further radicalization, than further social alienation.
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rudatron posted:It's exactly this shallow characterization of race & sexuality that lead to the alt-right existing the first place. "You are guilty of oppression purely by existing, and of no redeeming quality" either leads to embracing oppression as your defining part of your identity, or disgusting self-pitying white guilt - neither expresses a healthy worldview or perception of the self. There isn't really any value in having a white identity though, because whiteness was developed explicitly according to a supremacist ideology. Whiteness is always the identity of the colonizer, and that goes even for non-white people who think of themselves as "white" relative to their native subjects. In fact, all racial identities in the United States are informed by their relations to a whiteness which flattens all ethnic and cultural background. The solution to this isn't to kowtow to minorities or to go full European Students' Union, but to form an identity that's relevant to the lived experience. In other words, the only sensible identity is to self-identify as a Communist. 
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I don't end friendships because of politics. I'm mad now. rudatron posted:"You are guilty of oppression purely by existing, and of no redeeming quality" New title for D&D.
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I'd be the first person willing to destroy identity politics as like, a concept - I've been preaching universalist ideology as the foundation for civic participation since forever. But I don't think the way to get there is to ask people sacrifice their self-dignity/self-respect until that situation is realized, which is sort of what the worldview Narrator is espousing somehow expects to happen seamlessly, or at all.
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rudatron posted:Here's a really interesting video on the subject that I really liked (the whole channel is actually really good): like the recent trump vs. morning joe thing is being treated by a lot of the "respected" commentariat as an assault on the media, though the perspective of the trump people is that joe and mika have been bombarding him with all kinds of abuse for months. we must return to civility... you insane, 70-year-old manbaby! who benefits from this? well it's obvious that trump does, since he's way better at insults than they are. it's rubio making tiny hands jokes all over again. my friends, there is another way forward. we will bury you... in kindness. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSi8vrJf7NU BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 04:16 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:In other words, the only sensible identity is to self-identify as a Communist. 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:There isn't really any value in having a white identity though, because whiteness was developed explicitly according to a supremacist ideology. Wow. That's really deep. Can you now tell us about other identities and how they were developed?
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I don't end friendships because of politics. I'd say that someone going fascist is an excellent reason to end a friendship, but you do you.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:that is really good and it's unironically why i think zuck's brand of almost ned-flanders-like politeness might be what comes after trump. This is plausible because overcorrections are so common in politics. We just elected our second dumbest president, then our smartest president, then our dumbest president. Also France used to have a president who they felt was too personal and didn't have enough authority, now they've got a remote god-king whose every public statement reads like the galaxy brain meme.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I don't end friendships because of politics. lol youre a doofus
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But there's a problem with politeness in politics, and it can be illustrated with the reaction Fox and MSNBC had to Bernie Sanders saying thousands of people would die if the Republican health care bill was passed. Even though it's been shown by multiple studies to be true they jumped down his throat for being so dang rude to his legislative colleagues.
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Jul 5, 2017 04:17
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gently caress all capitalist and fascist collaborators and and sympathizers
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if youre white its literally youre responsible to either shame or educate lovely racist ppl you find yourself around
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there should be a website wher u put up ur picture and you vote on whether youre a capitalist and fascist collaborator and and sympathizer or not
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Ace of Baes posted:if youre white its literally youre responsible to either shame or educate lovely racist ppl you find yourself around I try to be a counterbalance and one of the things that justifies staying friends with them is my hope that I'll make their politics even marginally less lovely.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I try to be a counterbalance and one of the things that justifies staying friends with them is my hope that I'll make their politics even marginally less lovely. Nah. The Democrat party is a total loss bro. You can't fix'em.
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Ace of Baes posted:if youre white its literally youre responsible to either shame or educate lovely racist ppl you find yourself around
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i dont think the oppressed nations of america are going to rise up a drive the settlers into the sea we did a really good job of settling i dont think there's a difference between becoming a scolding liberal or a masoist because of white guilt
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spacetoaster posted:Nah. The Democrat party is a total loss bro. You can't fix'em. thats why i vote repub
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I also feel like there's way too much focus on the sexual aspect of reactionary frustration. This is a way more serious antisocial issue where they're incapable of even making a loving connection with another human being because on the one hand - sincere love for another man is too gay to them, and on the other they can't even get a woman to go out with them. In many cases they're not even able to ask. Even being able to have a genuine non-sexual relationship with the opposite gender is inconceivable, and frankly our society cultivates that kind of adolescent socialization. Real talk, in the past this problem would have taken care of itself because they would have been cannon fodder in a ground war; either they're a statistic or they end up growing the hard way with an education/job/housing being their reward for survival. BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I wonder whether it's possible to have an innocuous or non-toxic white-masculine identity or whether that's even possible. It seems possible to me? It's not. The well is too poisoned.
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deadgoon posted:i dont think the oppressed nations of america are going to rise up a drive the settlers into the sea it would b really convenient form if minorities fought the revolution so i dont have 2
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instituting socialism in america should be everyones # 1 goal bc its the only feasible way we stop acting a cudgel to smash any attempt at any alternate to capitalism or fascism/nationalism globally, americas imperial colonial grasp on the planet is ensuring socialism cannot take form in a meaningful way on an international scale
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or in other words join the dsa
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the number one impediment to developing socialism in america is that liberals are sometimes too mean when joking about white people, but im sure after a few more posts we?re gonna turn it around and get the revolution right back on trafk
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Al! posted:the number one impediment to developing socialism in america is that liberals are sometimes too mean when joking about white people, but im sure after a few more posts we?re gonna turn it around and get the revolution right back on trafk socialism is growing rapidly in popularity in a way that hasn't happened since pre WWII so we'll see
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Al! posted:the number one impediment to developing socialism in america is that liberals You should have stopped right there.
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The Narrator posted:1. Someone said I can't say "spirit animal," that's kinda weird. There is an entire industry devoted to making step 3 happen and you are posting in the thread about it
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Ace of Baes posted:socialism is growing rapidly in popularity in a way that hasn't happened since pre WWII so we'll see as long as someone believes in the total overthrow of the capitalist st8 and abolition of private property they can have any number of horrible little individualist opinions and theyre still cool with me
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but i don't wanna overthrow the state i wanna seize it and use it to suppress the bourgeoisie
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spacetoaster posted:Wow. That's really deep. Real hot take hours: there's no such thing as a white race, because white people don't display enough group cohesion to be adequately considered a "race."
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deadgoon posted:but i don't wanna overthrow the state i wanna seize it and use it to suppress the bourgeoisie thats why u will be first against the wall splitter
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Real hot take hours: there's no such thing as a white race, because white people don't display enough group cohesion to be adequately considered a "race." Right. No problem. Still wanting you to tell us about other identities and how they were developed
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im sure whatever it is you believe is v respectible, u sure seem 2 think every1 wants 2 hear you expound upon it at length
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Real hot take hours: there's no such thing as a white race, because white people don't display enough group cohesion to be adequately considered a "race." I've been reading Invention of the White Race lately, and I've enjoyed it thus far. It's helped me clarify a lot of vague ideas I've had about this sacred concept of white identity.
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spacetoaster posted:Right. No problem. My black identity exists, in large part, in the context of being raised in a white supremacist society. It is an identity that leads me towards resistance and righteous fury. In a future devoid of white supremacy, it may well metamorphose into something else entirely, but there is an independent existence. What aspect of white identity can say the same?
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spacetoaster posted:Right. No problem. Group identities are developed by social-historical processes, and depend wholly upon those contexts.  apokaladle posted:I've been reading Invention of the White Race lately, and I've enjoyed it thus far. It's helped me clarify a lot of vague ideas I've had about this sacred concept of white identity. IMO the world wars pretty definitively settled the white race question, and divisions between nations and states are way more relevant than some overarching biological markers.
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apokaladle posted:My black identity exists, in large part, in the context of being raised in a white supremacist society. It is an identity that leads me towards resistance and righteous fury. In a future devoid of white supremacy, it may well metamorphose into something else entirely, but there is an independent existence. What aspect of white identity can say the same?
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