Walked posted:

I'm looking for suggestions on a third legacy deck, part of it is wanting to mix it up, and part of it is that I'm getting a legacy scene going at my shop and I've been lending decks more and more.

I have Bant Deathblade as my primary deck and Reanimator that I loan often.

I really just want to pick something up that plays differently - I am debating between New Miracles, Death and Taxes (leaning away from this as there's a lot of that here already), and I'm not sure what else.

My primary factor is that it 'feels' different so I have a secondary deck that offers a different dynamic, and isn't just a T1-3 combo deck. What am I foolishly not considering?

the answer is probably lands, isn't it?

Voyager I posted:

Yeah two bolts definitely won't give you cancer or anything, especially if it's in addition to a bunch of Pushes and Paths.

I'd probably run a list something like 4 x Push, 2 x Path, 2 x Bolt, 2 x Helix as a starting point. Probably no Dreadbore since you premium removal with Path and plenty of board pressure for walkers.


EDIT: in retrospect that looks pretty crowded on small poo poo removal, but this is the kind of stuff you have to tune through testing / knowing your meta anyways.

Walked posted:

I'm looking for suggestions on a third legacy deck, part of it is wanting to mix it up, and part of it is that I'm getting a legacy scene going at my shop and I've been lending decks more and more.

I have Bant Deathblade as my primary deck and Reanimator that I loan often.

I really just want to pick something up that plays differently - I am debating between New Miracles, Death and Taxes (leaning away from this as there's a lot of that here already), and I'm not sure what else.

My primary factor is that it 'feels' different so I have a secondary deck that offers a different dynamic, and isn't just a T1-3 combo deck. What am I foolishly not considering?

the answer is probably lands, isn't it?

The March Hare posted:

It's lands.

Oldsrocket_27 posted:

UR Delver

Chamale posted:

I am still looking for suggestions for good high-value small creatures, especially green ones that I can find with Green Sun's Zenith.

Archenteron posted:

The Gate

Archenteron posted:

So this is my current incarnation of Norin Soul Sisters, and it works fairly well. I like my assortment of fun-ofs to shake things up a bit (Fling-ing a giant Pridemate to get through blockers, or dropping aetherflux and headshotting someone out of nowhere, or a quick rushdown with a Chalice), but I have bad matchups against Tron, Jund(kinda), and Scapeshift. Any suggestions for tweaks or alternate sideboard choices?

C-Euro posted:

What myDad said, Blood Moon is killer against Tron and Scapeshift so I'd try to get at least one more into the board. Maybe cut the SB Ghost Quarter, or move it MD and cut the Westvale Abbey? Also I think I'd run 2x Chalice or Reservoir, but not both. I imagine Chalice is more consistent that Reservoir can give that "go over the top" sort of win that usually beats Jund.

How necessary are the Caverns? According to Deckstats this is pretty cheap outside of those and satisfies my lust for T2/T3 Modern decks. Also lets me sate my Lightning Helix lust.

Archenteron posted:

Depends on how control-heavy your meta is. Being able to jam safe Humans (or Purphoros) against control is pretty powerful. While cutting the Westvale is an option, it's another comedy fun-of that I put in to get extra value from my Myr tokens (also I forgot Kher Keep existed at first) Plus they keep you from (mostly) imploding to Chalice on 1. Another Blood Moon is probably a good bet though. Kinda wish I still had room for the Dusk//Dawn I kept in an earlier incarnation of the sideboard.


Also: 50% of opponents have never seen Mark of Asylum before. They get really upset once they read it.

C-Euro posted:

What myDad said, Blood Moon is killer against Tron and Scapeshift so I'd try to get at least one more into the board. Maybe cut the SB Ghost Quarter, or move it MD and cut the Westvale Abbey? Also I think I'd run 2x Chalice or Reservoir, but not both. I imagine Chalice is more consistent that Reservoir can give that "go over the top" sort of win that usually beats Jund.

Shovelmint posted:

So I'm one of those limited purists, screw constructed; garbage formats for garbage people. But I've been acquiring cards for a number of years now, and finally put together all the cards for a real modern deck and took it out for a spin at its first tournament.
Taking it out for a spin is what it felt like, too. When you exclusively play sealed and draft, climbing behind the wheel of Grixis Death Shadow is like pulling up to a stoplight in a Ferrari. Eldrazi Tron's revving it's engine in its Mustang, and I'm just feeling smug waiting for the light to turn green. Mopedding a 2/2 on turn 2 is fun, but going 0-60 with turn 2 Tasigur with Stubborn denial backup is a whole other beast. I had some growing pains, my game 1 loss against burn was hilarious before I figured out how to play the matchup. Sideboarding takes me forever since I don't actually know exactly what every other deck is trying to do. It was a lot of fun, honestly it was a rush, and I expect to play a lot more modern tournaments in the near future, especially if I can keep converting a $5 entry into $80 credit. I hope they don't ban it, but I think I'm only a couple hundred bucks off any other modern deck I'd want to build after all these years of drafting and hoarding, so if I can bank a safety net with some victories I'll have no problem converting to something new.

Shovelmint posted:

So I'm one of those limited purists, screw constructed; garbage formats for garbage people. But I've been acquiring cards for a number of years now, and finally put together all the cards for a real modern deck and took it out for a spin at its first tournament.
Taking it out for a spin is what it felt like, too. When you exclusively play sealed and draft, climbing behind the wheel of Grixis Death Shadow is like pulling up to a stoplight in a Ferrari. Eldrazi Tron's revving it's engine in its Mustang, and I'm just feeling smug waiting for the light to turn green. Mopedding a 2/2 on turn 2 is fun, but going 0-60 with turn 2 Tasigur with Stubborn denial backup is a whole other beast. I had some growing pains, my game 1 loss against burn was hilarious before I figured out how to play the matchup. Sideboarding takes me forever since I don't actually know exactly what every other deck is trying to do. It was a lot of fun, honestly it was a rush, and I expect to play a lot more modern tournaments in the near future, especially if I can keep converting a $5 entry into $80 credit. I hope they don't ban it, but I think I'm only a couple hundred bucks off any other modern deck I'd want to build after all these years of drafting and hoarding, so if I can bank a safety net with some victories I'll have no problem converting to something new.

Shovelmint posted:

I think the deck is cool and good, I'm not sure how my opponents feel. Never has there been a more appropriate use of though. I'm ready to GO! I'm glad I'm already Magic rich as gently caress, though, because these cards are expensive. So glad I drafted sets of fetches and shocks and everything else.

Shovelmint posted:

If GSD doesn't get banned out that credit is going towards finishing out my set of the original duals and forces. Probably about 35% of the way to the duals, cost-wise, but I haven't found an opportunity to pick any up in the past year.

Shovelmint posted:

Conventional wisdom says otherwise, but I'm hopeful. I traded for most of twin just before it was banned which is how I ended up so close to completing this deck, then went back to limited after that project was stymied. I'd like to get some play out of these snapcasters, I'm not attached to the death's shadow wincon particularly.

Star Man posted:

It would probably be Thoughtseize that eats the ban.

C-Euro posted:

I was going to say "it doesn't make sense to ban anything from DS decks, they're just a pile of good cards like Jund!" and then remember that both BBE and DRS were banned specifically for how good they were in Jund

For the record I don't think Wizards would ban anything in DS with the intent to kill the deck outright, just to take it down a peg. I just don't know what that would be.

C-Euro posted:

I was going to say "it doesn't make sense to ban anything from DS decks, they're just a pile of good cards like Jund!" and then remember that both BBE and DRS were banned specifically for how good they were in Jund

For the record I don't think Wizards would ban anything in DS with the intent to kill the deck outright, just to take it down a peg. I just don't know what that would be.

Elyv posted:

I don't remember offhand if BBE needed to be banned but DRS is actually broken as hell, there's a reason it's a top 5 spell in Legacy and playable in Vintage

Dehtraen posted:

I want to say their justification was that jund was winning all the gp's and basically playing BBE and getting another value spell for free is pretty drat sweet.

DRS... well turn two Liliana is ridiculously good.

lockdar posted:

In my experience as a Skred player a Blood Moon is not a garuanteed win against Tron unless you can present a very fast clock. They are able to keep making land drops and getting to 6 or 7 mana is usually fairly easy for Tron with all their artifacts in the deck. I've dropped multiple T2 Blood Moons against R/G Tron and I still got overwhelmed because Skred usually doesn't close out games fast enough.

Johnny Five-Jaces posted:

Star Man posted:

In turn one, you can knock your life total down to 15 with a fetchland, shockland, and a Thoughtseize and pick off a card that will take out your Death's Shadow or delve creature. In turn two, if you have a second Thoughtseize, you can do it again and put yourself at 10 life and have a 3/3 Death's Shadow. Without Thoutseize, you need to spend more time whittling away your own life total to get a sizable Death's Shadow.

Star Man posted:

In turn one, you can knock your life total down to 15 with a fetchland, shockland, and a Thoughtseize and pick off a card that will take out your Death's Shadow or delve creature. In turn two, if you have a second Thoughtseize, you can do it again and put yourself at 10 life and have a 3/3 Death's Shadow. Without Thoutseize, you need to spend more time whittling away your own life total to get a sizable Death's Shadow.

ThePeavstenator posted:

When Jund gets too good it's easy to nerf, you just ban the card that exists at the intersection of "best" and "played by fewest other decks". Death's Shadow doesn't currently need a nerf, and if the deck ever needs anything banned it's going to have to be Death's Shadow itself.

Voyager I posted:

Also, while we're on DRS chat, did they ever explain what their thought process was when they were designing the card? There are some obvious mistakes in retrospect, with the fact that it's a mana dork for mono-black decks arguably being a bigger fuckup than the fact that it's disgustingly powerful. Did fetch bases just not work the way they do these days when the card was printed?