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Onean posted:It's literally on this page of the thread. Ah, sorry, somehow I didn't make the connection. Jun will defeat Tomo by suddenly hugging or something during a fight and throwing her off guard.
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I believe the manga has been clear the Jun is now stronger than Tomo -- except for a possible mental block that either makes him think he is weaker or makes him unable to win against her. The idea is that he is objectively the strongest between the two of them, but he is unable to realize that fact himself. Also, Jun truly appears to not be able to view Tomo as a female. This fact is why he needs to die one day in the far future alone and childless.
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Dan7el posted:I believe the manga has been clear the Jun is now stronger than Tomo -- except for a possible mental block that either makes him think he is weaker or makes him unable to win against her. The idea is that he is objectively the strongest between the two of them, but he is unable to realize that fact himself. I think Tomo at one point said that Jun is stronger than her now just because of the gender difference. I think that's why Jun defeating Tomo is what needs to happen for the relationship to go forward. It would satisfy the set up of the flashback arc, and it would force Jun to understand that they aren't kids anymore, he's a man and she's a woman.
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When you think about it, it's kind of messed up that Jun needs to establish his physical superiority and dominance over Tomo for a relationship to be possible. Like the idea of dating a girl who is stronger than him is inherently out of the question.
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Ytlaya posted:When you think about it, it's kind of messed up that Jun needs to establish his physical superiority and dominance over Tomo for a relationship to be possible. Like the idea of dating a girl who is stronger than him is inherently out of the question. japan
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Patware posted:japan Japanese Chauvinism
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Please don't imply that all Japanese people are chauvinists.
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Patware posted:japan Annointed posted:Japanese Chauvinism Take that racist poo poo back to GBS
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i wouldn't date a girl who i hadn't won my ds back from either
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Ytlaya posted:When you think about it, it's kind of messed up that Jun needs to establish his physical superiority and dominance over Tomo for a relationship to be possible. Like the idea of dating a girl who is stronger than him is inherently out of the question.
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iirc the position taken is that Jun is default stronger because Penis, but that he can't beat her in proper matches, only unrestrained brawls it's dumb on many levels
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Patware posted:japan Annointed posted:Japanese Chauvinism 
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Rodyle posted:iirc the position taken is that Jun is default stronger because Penis, but that he can't beat her in proper matches, only unrestrained brawls I think it's sort of implied Jun only thinks that because he idolises her. It's kinda garbage.
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Honestly that makes sense? He's stronger than her but she's faster and more technically skilled, so in a match where it's about landing hits for points she wins. In a brawl where he can apply his superior muscle to the problem he's going to have the advantage.
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Ytlaya posted:When you think about it, it's kind of messed up that Jun needs to establish his physical superiority and dominance over Tomo for a relationship to be possible. Like the idea of dating a girl who is stronger than him is inherently out of the question. Well, there was that one line in the previous storyline about there being "different kinds of strength", so maybe this is all leading to Jun realizing that he doesn't have to prove his strength by defeating Tomo in a physical match, but rather by developing the strength of character to conquer his own fears and insecurities. But then again, I'm not the author, so what the hell do I know. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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K Prime posted:Honestly that makes sense? He's stronger than her but she's faster and more technically skilled, so in a match where it's about landing hits for points she wins. In a brawl where he can apply his superior muscle to the problem he's going to have the advantage. Yeah, she's been doing martial arts since she was a baby. But they're old enough that he's going to be physically stronger, not to get all  about it
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The manga itself is getting about it, is the thing Like if they just said "she's the skilled one, I just flip out" and left it at that it might not be such a sticking point
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i'm just gonna put one last word out since i will admit that being short about it makes it easy to take a worse way than intended japanese media frequently (definitely not universally) adheres to some pretty strict gender roles. tomo-chan already breaks a lot of them by presenting tomo as an invincible whirlwind of destruction, but it also - and maybe not even intentionally - reinforces them with the concept that jun cannot seem to acknowledge tomo as a romantic partner until he believes himself stronger than her it's equivalent to american media being willing to be outrageously violent and throw blood everywhere but deeply, deeply reject sexuality that strays too far away from high school giggling and flirting - i'd even argue that of the two, america's poo poo fucks up way harder and has fewer people attempting to buck the trend that attain any success i apologize for not putting out a more complete thought and falling back on an easy knee-jerk
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Patware posted:it's equivalent to american media being willing to be outrageously violent and throw blood everywhere but deeply, deeply reject sexuality that strays too far away from high school giggling and flirting Oh yeah I remember the huge scandal when a piece of American media showed sex. 
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Mentat Radnor posted:Oh yeah I remember the huge scandal when a piece of American media showed sex. Yo I'll hear out arguments about my having a narrow view of popular Japanese media but don't even try telling me US television doesn't trend hilariously puritannical There's that scene in Hannibal of a murdered couple that almost didn't get allowed in due to bare asses. They filled the buttcracks with blood to hide them and the scene was then okayed
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Buttcracks with Blood would make for a killer band name, imo Anywho, Jun just needs to beat Tomo in a kissing match, and achieve true alpha status, bro. This is Uncle Shinjobi's romance tip of the week.
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Mentat Radnor posted:Oh yeah I remember the huge scandal when a piece of American media showed sex. Those fearful nights as cities were destroyed because a toilet appeared on television.
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Patware posted:Yo I'll hear out arguments about my having a narrow view of popular Japanese media but don't even try telling me US television doesn't trend hilariously puritannical At least you admit that it is a narrow view. We can recognize that media trends exist without projecting those trends as character traits onto a whole society. Holding up the stupidity of American broadcast network TV censorship as wholly representative of "American media" is equally narrow. In this case, the tomo author is under no societal obligation to write Jun as a big baby who can't cope with feelings of emasculation in regards to his badass tomboy crush, so just blaming "Japan" instead of the author here is pretty lame. In other words, Guy Goodbody posted:Please don't imply that all Japanese people are chauvinists.
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Jun and Tomo have been dorks when it comes to each other, gender, and anything resembling weakness since more or less the second panel, so if Jun being a dork like his dork best friend Tomo bothers you then that's on you, not the author or whatever view you have of Japan.
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I'm mostly just kinda pissed that all that excellent build up lead into more wheel spinning I mean, it's funny that Jun is crying like a baby because he got pecked on the cheek, but the fact that when actually faced with a hard question his response is to run away back to the status quo means all the build up was almost pointless? Unless this was only stage 1 in Carol's elaborate plans, which I hope it is
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Carol did her best, bless her heart, but she was dealing with Jun.
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Run to Tomo so Tomo can capture him and therefore Misaki can't do anything? idk carol
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Isn't the reverse of this situation common in shoujo stuff? Guy pushes down indecisive female protagonist to scare her into realizing her ~feelings~?
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SatansBestBuddy posted:I'm mostly just kinda pissed that all that excellent build up lead into more wheel spinning The entire series is wheel spinning. Carol will find out Jun pussed out again, take both their faces and mush them into each other.
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Captain Invictus posted:The entire series is wheel spinning. I'd be down with the manga being Carol doing her best to get this manga to go somewhere. Carol cuts the power to a building while Jun and Tomo are stuck in an elevator together. Carol invites everyone camping and then abandons them in the woods. With side story of her trying to get Mizusu to like her.
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RareAcumen posted:I'd be down with the manga being Carol doing her best to get this manga to go somewhere. It'll be like Wil E Coyote
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Tarezax posted:Isn't the reverse of this situation common in shoujo stuff? Guy pushes down indecisive female protagonist to scare her into realizing her ~feelings~? I feel like this happens in seinen/harem stuff, so it's more common than you think Compendium fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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RareAcumen posted:Those fearful nights as cities were destroyed because a toilet appeared on television. on the upside i'm happy to hear that you got to be on tv
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So it turns this manga is about DS-kun's harrowing journey from being freshly bought brand new from the store and given to the playful Jun, only for him to be forcibly exchanged into the hands of the tyrant Tomo, subjected to years and years of hard labor and servitude against his will, brought to brink of death many times by her mishandling only to be denied the sweet embrace of death by being repaired each time and forced into labor once more. And the only thing keeping poor DS-kun going is the hope, naive as it may be, that one day the playful boy that had treated him with such care will come back to free him.
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