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Frijolero posted:Bernie's gonna run y'all.
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Trumps Baby Hands posted:tbh intentially voting socialist in the 2000 Florida general would've also been A Very Bad Thing To Do Counterpoint: demonizing third-party voters was the worst possible lesson to learn from the 2000 election so of course we learned the poo poo out of it
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Jul 5, 2017 18:56
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counter counterpoint: George w. Bush
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Jul 5, 2017 18:57
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zuck relates to milk-colored busts with lifeless eyes for reasons i can't comprehend
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Jul 5, 2017 18:58
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Jul 5, 2017 19:00
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GalacticAcid posted:bernie panders wants to force people to work 40 hours a week instead of supporting a ubi To be fair, I could be a huge lazy piece of poo poo if I didn't have a job that makes me less of a lazy piece of poo poo. (Actually I use my job as an excuse to be a huge lazy piece of poo poo) Also on the same coin if I had money for everything I'd be more adventurous and risk taking if it wouldn't guarantee poverty and sickness/death, which would boost the economy as I would spend money and probably get jobs to get extra money. You could say that the future of a gig-economy is only sustained by a system of UBI and nationalized healthcare. No one will care if Uber fucks you over if your life doesn't depend on it.
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Jul 5, 2017 19:01
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logikv9 posted:counter counterpoint: George w. Bush Just the first counterpoint again: Al Gore and Joe Lieberman both actually kind of sucked at running for president and if they'd sucked less it wouldn't have come down to like 500 people in Florida and we could have learned something about making sure our presidential candidates have actual charisma and an actual message rather than just the bona fides of a lot of people connected to the previous administration, or, we could learn that people who choose to vote for the presidential candidate who most closely represents their views are bad and everything is their stupid fault and whatever candidate you like deserved those votes instead goddammit naturally we learned the second one
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Jul 5, 2017 19:02
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Jul 5, 2017 19:03
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i think i get it. zucks gonna run to the left of bernie so when trump bodyslams his flabby nerdbod in the REAL POLLS the radical centrists can say they were right all along
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Jul 5, 2017 19:06
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loquacius posted:Just the first counterpoint again: Al Gore and Joe Lieberman both actually kind of sucked at running for president and if they'd sucked less it wouldn't have come down to like 500 people in Florida Didn't gore run away from bill, despite bill being extremely popular thanks to the republicans
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Jul 5, 2017 19:07
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Not everything is 2016 and at least we wouldn't have invaded Iraq unless you're insane enough to believe so
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Jul 5, 2017 19:07
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Another lesson from 2000: tacking to the center with your VP pick doesn't loving work oops I mean "gently caress Ralph Nader"
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Jul 5, 2017 19:08
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logikv9 posted:Not everything is 2016 and at least we wouldn't have invaded Iraq unless you're insane enough to believe so Hot take: 2000 and 2016 were basically the same election.
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Jul 5, 2017 19:09
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If I showed you a ink blot you might say "2016" for all of em
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Jul 5, 2017 19:09
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logikv9 posted:Didn't gore run away from bill, despite bill being extremely popular thanks to the republicans Even if he did this just underscores how bad a candidate he was No charisma, no message, and didn't even leverage his association to other popular names even though that's the only reason his candidacy ever made it to and through the primaries clearly that was Nader's fault too
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Jul 5, 2017 19:10
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Although ascribing the same level of spoiler power to Gary Johnson or (hahahahahahahahahahaha oh god) Jill Stein that Ralph Nader had is frankly delusional. (Even knowing that Johnson is pretty much the reason Minnesota didn't go red in 2016.)
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Jul 5, 2017 19:11
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docbeard posted:Hot take: 2000 and 2016 were basically the same election. looking forward to 2020 dem nominee John Kerry
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Jul 5, 2017 19:11
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logikv9 posted:Not everything is 2016 and at least we wouldn't have invaded Iraq unless you're insane enough to believe so I never said Gore wouldn't have been a better president than W, I said he was a bad candidate and blaming his loss entirely on Nader is a really annoying thing everybody does all the time
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Jul 5, 2017 19:11
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i appreciate matty's willingness to get mercilessly ratio'd by the But His Party Reg crowd https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/882663039417413633
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Joementum posted:i appreciate matty's willingness to get mercilessly ratio'd by the But His Party Reg crowd I honestly can't remember the last time a Matty Yg tweet made me less than happy His transformation has been amazing btw I'd have expected you to weigh in on Liebermanchat 
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Vermont doesn't have party registration, by the way.
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Jul 5, 2017 19:13
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I blame two things: the Florida Democratic party and Nader. But mostly the Florida Dems because you can control that vs Nader even Republican campaign staff admit that they would've lost it if the ballots were better
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Jul 5, 2017 19:13
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Imagine how good this country could be if everyone was as able to learn from their mistakes as Matt Y is
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Jul 5, 2017 19:14
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I imagine Twitter to be a huge suck zone but instead of anonymous posters shitposting we have anonymous users tweeting among thousands of actual IRL famous people who are easily as drawn into arguments as any SA thread I repeat my claim that Twitter, and I daresay the world, was a mistake
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Jul 5, 2017 19:15
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logikv9 posted:I blame two things: the Florida Democratic party and Nader. But mostly the Florida Dems because you can control that vs Nader https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/07/04/us/ap-us-house-election-georgia-lawsuit.html quote:ATLANTA — Georgia's electronic touchscreen voting system is so riddled with problems that the results of the most expensive House race in U.S. history should be tossed out and a new election held, according to a lawsuit filed by a government watchdog group and six Georgia voters. quote:The new lawsuit comes weeks after the publication of a classified National Security Agency report describing a sophisticated scheme, allegedly by Russian military intelligence, to infiltrate local U.S. elections systems using phishing emails.
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Jul 5, 2017 19:15
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logikv9 posted:I blame two things: the Florida Democratic party and Nader. But mostly the Florida Dems because you can control that vs Nader bad dems like blaming nader, it wouldn't have been close if you didn't have such big defection in votes to W.
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Jul 5, 2017 19:16
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Zuck admires the fascism of rome since it made the world a more stable place.
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Jul 5, 2017 19:17
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logikv9 posted:I blame two things: the Florida Democratic party and Nader. But mostly the Florida Dems because you can control that vs Nader Declining to place any blame whatsoever on Gore or Lieberman shows a remarkable amount of commitment to the idea of running politicians who don't know how to talk to people or give speeches or communicate ideas or choose good running mates
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Jul 5, 2017 19:17
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Did you all already forget the clusterfuck revolving around hanging Chads or something
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Jul 5, 2017 19:18
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Honestly, our voting infrastructure is complete poo poo, and has been for decades, and basically no one with the ability to do so wants to tackle it.
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Jul 5, 2017 19:19
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I don't remember much about Gore or Lieberman at all to be honest, any amount of time I spent studying 2000 post 2000 was regarding the recount
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Jul 5, 2017 19:19
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Can't wait for President Zuck to try this out on his first visit to Israel.
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Jul 5, 2017 19:20
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we're going to retroactively apply 2016 to most things, like how we should've run a better candidate with a stronger leftist message than *flips through list* mondale
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Jul 5, 2017 19:20
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docbeard posted:Honestly, our voting infrastructure is complete poo poo, and has been for decades, and basically no one with the ability to do so wants to tackle it. More states should have mail in voting like California
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Jul 5, 2017 19:21
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logikv9 posted:I don't remember much about Gore or Lieberman at all to be honest, any amount of time I spent studying 2000 post 2000 was regarding the recount people think this election was insane but we will probably never know who actually should have won in 2000 by vote tally lol
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Jul 5, 2017 19:21
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Even though there's only one good thing about Zuck I have to admit it's a very, very good thing.
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logikv9 posted:I imagine Twitter to be a huge suck zone but instead of anonymous posters shitposting we have anonymous users tweeting among thousands of actual IRL famous people who are easily as drawn into arguments as any SA thread it was, but i'm enjoying the ride also i'm sad dril never adopted your av
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logikv9 posted:Did you all already forget the clusterfuck revolving around hanging Chads or something My entire point is that the fact that the campaign came down to this at all says a lot of bad things about Gore's campaign but we generally ignore this because blaming Nader is easier (but yes it was in fact a clusterfuck) logikv9 posted:we're going to retroactively apply 2016 to most things, like how we should've run a better candidate with a stronger leftist message than *flips through list* mondale Hot take: most presidential candidates who lose general elections were bad candidates 
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