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Venom Snake posted:I try to avoid gotcha stuff like this because it will just piss them off can't you just not use the word "socialism" and instead couch it in something like ensuring all citizens get the same benefits from the society they live in and contribute to?
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Venom Snake posted:Working with veterans is insanely infuriating sometimes because they assume they know everything about the military and foreign policy because they got shot at in the middle east once I always found the "I was there!" statement so stupid.
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Homeless Friend posted:c-spam just saved SA hong kong should embrace socialism so much that all wealth is redistributed to the poor equally
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Venom Snake posted:They get really upset when I tell them that people want UBI and no voter in the country gives a poo poo about what Iran is doing OK I can buy the Iran disinterest because I don't even think the U.S. should be concerned about what's going on in Iran but, somebody is going to have to show me something to confirm that UBI is popular anywhere other than the internet broadly and this thread specifically.
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Venom Snake posted:I try to avoid gotcha stuff like this because it will just piss them off Why are they even trying to be a candidate then?
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SKULL.GIF posted:"you were willing to get shot at in iraq for your country for an education, healthcare, and a pension, imagine what 300 million american citizens would do for society for getting education, healthcare, and a pensioN" They can sign up and go overseas to fight terrorism and do their due duty then!
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Vox Nihili posted:That person is a consevative democrat. They don't want to go left because they don't believe in it. I hope people realize, but I guess they may not, that there are a whole lot of white middle class and blue collar Democrats who are center left, not left. If you don't think so, go back and watch that Bernie ad for changes to current laws affecting pensions and see you can find a black or hispanic face in that ad; listen for the conservative dog whistles those white pensioners use in describing the benefits they want returned to them.
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ThndrShk2k posted:They can sign up and go overseas to fight terrorism and do their due duty then! Just like I did *filed paperwork in a lovely american town for 4 years*
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Venom Snake posted:You would think that people would want to win. i found where you went wrong
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Venom Snake posted:Some of them certainly are but a lot are just apolitical and not used to stepping outside of their comfort zone. Besides my entire spiel is always couched in the fact running a conservative democratic platform isn't a winning strategy regardless of your personal views . That's why this is so frustrating. You would think that people would want to win. Just a question here, why are you trying to turn a veteran running as a Democrat into something that he's not; he's not a person that wants to go full Bernie. If full Bernie is the kind of person you want to advise and run for office, then why don't you go out and find that person and run them for office instead of trying to turn people into something that they aren't. Could it be that you can't actually find people qualified to run for office that meet your narrow idea of a good politician? You think that might be a reason why more Bernies don't already exist in office? And just for the record, I'd love Bernie to be my Mayor or my Rep or my Senator or my Governor; but full Bernie ain't going to win anyplace in my state. edit: I'm assuming your a paid political consultant and your telling us that you think its your job to actually convince candidates to tell voters something they don't personally believe in. that's kind of horrifying, even if true. radical meme has issued a correction as of 01:11 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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radical meme posted:go back and watch that Bernie ad for changes to current laws affecting pensions and see you can find a black or hispanic face in that ad; listen for the conservative dog whistles those white pensioners use in describing the benefits they want returned to them. This sounds insane.
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There are a lot of lovely centrist Dems out there of course, but some random Bernie commercial has no bearing on that.
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Vox Nihili posted:There are a lot of lovely centrist Dems out there of course, but some random Bernie commercial has no bearing on that. this is where im putting all my chips, folks wish me luck
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SKULL.GIF posted:"you were willing to get shot at in iraq for your country for an education, healthcare, and a pension, imagine what 300 million american citizens would do for society for getting education, healthcare, and a pensioN" I would be willing to reluctantly build naked man pyramids to get military socialism benefits
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SKULL.GIF posted:can't you just not use the word "socialism" and instead couch it in something like ensuring all citizens get the same benefits from the society they live in and contribute to? Thats going to be my tactic in my next round of meetings basically
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just make up a new name for socialism ffs
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anime was right posted:just make up a new name for socialism ffs Digital Ascension 
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radical meme posted:OK I can buy the Iran disinterest because I don't even think the U.S. should be concerned about what's going on in Iran but, somebody is going to have to show me something to confirm that UBI is popular anywhere other than the internet broadly and this thread specifically. The Zuck doubled down on it and if a goddamn hyper focus grouped tech lord is okay with it then yeah it's acceptable radical meme posted:Just a question here, why are you trying to turn a veteran running as a Democrat into something that he's not; he's not a person that wants to go full Bernie. Okay then I guess he doesn't want to win radical meme posted:edit: I'm assuming your a paid political consultant and your telling us that you think its your job to actually convince candidates to tell voters something they don't personally believe in. that's kind of horrifying, even if true. I'm not a paid political consultant I just get to help coordinate stuff and toss my opinion in when I can but if democrats want to stop being the party of losers they are going to need to start pushing heavy redistribution of wealth even if they don't believe in it
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Dairy Days posted:give more money to randy bryce
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anime was right posted:just make up a new name for socialism ffs but what about the important tradition of marxist political philosahahahahahahahah yeah just call it whatever it takes to gain supporters
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anime was right posted:just make up a new name for socialism ffs equality
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anime was right posted:just make up a new name for socialism ffs Economic Anxiety Inhibitor
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Venom Snake posted:Some of them certainly are but a lot are just apolitical and not used to stepping outside of their comfort zone. Besides my entire spiel is always couched in the fact running a conservative democratic platform isn't a winning strategy regardless of your personal views . That's why this is so frustrating. You would think that people would want to win. winning isn't worth it if you piss off rich people and screw up your future lobbying job prospects
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A good idea is to compare proportional income after cost of living costs, and use some round numbers to display how rich people are proportionally getting taxed at the % they are allotted vs how poor people are dis-proportionally taxed when taking into consideration the money they can't use due to spending it on poo poo like a house and food. A bit generous in terms of taxes, income, and cost of living but with round numbers it's easy to see the effects on income. 10% tax 45k cost of living 50k 5k income left over. 5k taxes 0 income after taxes, practically 100% tax 75k 30k income left over 7.5k taxes 22.5k income left after taxes, practically 25% tax 100k 55k income left over 10k taxes 45k income after taxes, practically little under 20% tax 1mil 955k income left over 100k taxes 855k income after taxes, practically near 10% tax. Then stress that many many many people make less than 50k and that even with this generous example it would mean that they actually are paying in more than they make into the system, vs rich people who pay only near the taxrate of what they actually get at the end of the day. Then show them the truck driver's income where he makes 100k but at the end of the day BEFORE cost of living only brings home 22k, which half of it goes to taxes, which leaves them 12k to pay 45k if their cost of living was the same as this example. (granted they're never home so what's really living there. Other than his homemaker wife and child.) ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 01:39 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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anime was right posted:just make up a new name for socialism ffs Progressivism. Socialism needs to encompass anti-racism and anti-sexism anyway. Pile it all in the same box.
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Venom Snake posted:I try to avoid gotcha stuff like this because it will just piss them off Oh my yes. Explaining to my National Guard Lt Trumpeteer that she's part of the largest, most powerful and successful socialist organization in history is always good for incoherent rage on her part!
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 What is Zuck mad about with Obama in this picture? A) Higher taxes on Facebook B) Privacy Issues C) Not coming to his party
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fits my needs posted:
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Vox Nihili posted:There are a lot of lovely centrist Dems out there of course, but some random Bernie commercial has no bearing on that. That ad highlighted hard working union employees that have voted Democrat all their lives and your calling them lovely centrists.
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Venom Snake posted:
Look, I like your posting and love to read your thoughts here but, your telling us that asking a candidate to advocate a policy he doesn't believe in to convince people to vote for him, even if he never intends to fulfill his promise to the voters is completely acceptable, not just acceptable but encouraged. That's really disheartening, in large part because all of those Tea Partiers we love to hate on, say what you want but those people are true believers. You appear to be saying that there are no electable true believers to advocate the policies your espousing. If that's the case, then people need to know that because believing in those policies is just an unachievable wet dream. This is the very crux of the whole Democrat dilemma. Are there true believers that can be elected or not? edit: hey anybody can answer these questions don't leave it up to Venom
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punk rebel ecks posted:I always found the "I was there!" statement so stupid. I understand strategic thinking because I was involved with 5% of a war God speed punished snake
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Radical Meme, while I'm not involved in politics myself like Venom and CC are, there is one or two lines that summarizes the difficulty of being a 'true believer' in today's Democratic environment: Bernie Sanders is not even a 'real Democrat' Hillary Clinton won the popular vote
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Also there's a ton of true believers coming up who are not involved in standard Democratic circles while still being registered and campaigning as a Dem. DSA registration and candidates are a good place to look at that trend on the bottom. Venom Snake works for something more mainstream so on his end it's more of a matter of shifting the trend at the middle/top than it is about going out and finding people who have time to even be a candidate. Not that I disagree with the notion that they should make it more welcoming at the bottom for said candidates, but it's not something you'd expect the status quo to do since it's against their interest of staying in power. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 02:45 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:also Anime is Right publish your survey on twitter when you're done and try to convince the dccc you're a real consultant this is like when the guy in yospos made a tip calculator and got a free blackberry playbook
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