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Ynglaur posted:$150K USD to get four people through the next 18 months. That's tight. Looks alto like Banished
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how close it is to the king of dragon pass?
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Speaking of animal rituals (although this one isn't as good as Law and Order: Bovine Crimes Division), the ancient Romans had a ritual they performed on August 3 called the supplica canum, which was supposedly to commemorate the victory over the Gauls, who had attacked the city in 390 AD and took it all except for the citadel. The Gauls, according to the story, made a night attack on the citadel, hoping to take the Romans by surprise, and because they had fed the Roman watchdogs, the dogs didn't bark at them. However, as they were starting their attack, they went passed the temple of Juno Moneta, and the sacred geese in the temple went crazy, squawking at them and attacking them (which is completely in character for geese). The noise woke the sleeping Romans, who fought the Gauls back and drove them out of the city. So, in honor of this, every year, they would dress geese in purple clothing, and then either crucify or hang dogs. They'd then stick the geese on litters, where they could watch the dying dogs be carried through the city, while the crowds would insult the dogs and praise the geese. The ritual was apparently carried out until the 4th century. It was, as I mentioned, supposed to be in honor of the victory over the Gauls, but that might not be true, because dog sacrifices played a big part in a bunch of ancient Roman and Italian summer festivals. Dogs had an ambiguous status for the Romans. They were praised as symbols of loyalty, and certainly useful, but at the same time, dogs, especially black ones, were seen as unlucky, there was a taboo against eating dog meat, dogs were seen as ritually unclean, and the Flamen Dialis was forbidden to touch a dog.
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Epicurius posted:Speaking of animal rituals (although this one isn't as good as Law and Order: Bovine Crimes Division), the ancient Romans had a ritual they performed on August 3 called the supplica canum, which was supposedly to commemorate the victory over the Gauls, who had attacked the city in 390 AD and took it all except for the citadel. The Gauls, according to the story, made a night attack on the citadel, hoping to take the Romans by surprise, and because they had fed the Roman watchdogs, the dogs didn't bark at them. However, as they were starting their attack, they went passed the temple of Juno Moneta, and the sacred geese in the temple went crazy, squawking at them and attacking them (which is completely in character for geese). The noise woke the sleeping Romans, who fought the Gauls back and drove them out of the city. 
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Grevling posted:Plutarch: In medieval times the elephant was also, for some reason, considered the dragon's natural enemy.
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Alhazred posted:In medieval times the elephant was also, for some reason, considered the dragon's natural enemy. The elephants were quite efficient.
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Alhazred posted:In medieval times the elephant was also, for some reason, considered the dragon's natural enemy. And the unicorn's. Unicorns would get so pissed off by elephants, they'd charge them and run them through with their horn. Of course, that would also kill the unicorn, because, you know, elephant stuck to its horn. Unicorn didn't care, though. Long as they were able to kill an elephant.
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Roman Concretequote:Highly focused X-Ray beams have revealed the molecular make-up of concrete from a Roman pier, revealing how it gained its strength and longevity. The work could fill in one of the biggest missing pieces of our understanding on how to stop the world from heating up. Barbarism led to climate change!! 
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Dalael posted:Roman Concrete Yeah, about that: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ice-pack-reveals-romans-air-pollution-1450572.html
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Jul 5, 2017 11:15
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That's not the same kind of pollution as carbon dioxide emissions, though. Those were still way below industrial levels. Check out the graph at the beginning of this article.
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Reminds me of this. And more relevant to the thread, there was a culture of nomads/half-nomads living on the Arabian Peninsula in ancient times who were known for erecting towers and filling them with skulls. (The only source I could find about them is a book I have about Mesopotamia and surrounding peoples, so there's no link, sorry.) Edit: Wait, found them: Umm al-Nar Culture Libluini fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Jul 5, 2017 12:12
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Umm al-Nar is also the sound I make when I run across people with pillars of skulls everywhere.
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Grand Fromage posted:Umm al-Nar is also the sound I make when I run across people with pillars of skulls everywhere. What's wrong with skulls?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:What's wrong with skulls? Umm... al... naar
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Has all text preserved from antiquity in Latin or Greek been translated to English? Do new texts pop up occasionally? I don't mean fragmented inscriptions from archaeological digs but more substantial stuff.
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Jul 6, 2017 00:13
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Doctor Malaver posted:Has all text preserved from antiquity in Latin or Greek been translated to English? Do new texts pop up occasionally? I don't mean fragmented inscriptions from archaeological digs but more substantial stuff. No, and yes.
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Jul 6, 2017 00:38
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Any examples of recently found texts?
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Jul 6, 2017 08:59
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The Vindolanda tablets were discovered in 1973 and are my favorite piece of writing from that era just because of how banal it is. Literally a collection of random trash writings people threw out but provides an invaluable look at how the average literate person lived in that part of the empire. Also it even includes one of the earliest examples of writing from a woman; the same tablet is probably also the oldest birthday invitation ever, which is kind of cute
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Any good writeups on ancient egypt, like AAAANCIENT pre ptolemaic egypt vs subsaharan pyramid Africa? The only things I ever see are "we was kangs" memes which is like the new "lol black people" dog whistle that and Rome Total War which was apparently anacronistic and described iirc as "like napoleonic troops fighting WWII"
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Alan Smithee posted:that and Rome Total War which was apparently anacronistic and described iirc as "like napoleonic troops fighting WWII" That's why Europa Barbarorum is a must-install. I have a long campaign going where I've recreated the extent of the Roman empire ca. 50 BC (not even indomitable Gauls withstand me) but much ahead of time because with four turns per year it just takes forever if you want to expand at the same pace as irl. It must be six years since I started it.
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Doctor Malaver posted:Any examples of recently found texts? A little bit of new (hah) Sappho was found recently, that's a pretty big deal, considering Sappho's place in ancient and modern thought.
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Alan Smithee posted:Any good writeups on ancient egypt, like AAAANCIENT pre ptolemaic egypt vs subsaharan pyramid Africa? Pre-Ptolemaic Egypt had four distinct phases. The predynastic period where it was a series of communities along the Nile. These gradually consolidated into Upper Egypt (as in upper reaches of the Nile, or the southern part) and Lower Egypt (Nile Delta region). These two kingdoms were united by Narmer about 3100 BC to become the first pharaoh of all Egypt. The next three phases are called the Old Kingdom, the Middle Kingdom, and the New Kingdom. The Old Kingdom built the pyramids and lasted until about 2100 BC, when everything fell apart - probably due to drought and a repeated failure of the annual flooding of the Nile. The Middle Kingdom lasted from about 2050 BC to 1650 BC. Then things fell apart again, and the New Kingdom took over from about 1550 BC to roughly 1100 BC. At that point, the Sea Peoples invasions caused chaos everywhere and Egypt, while not actually being conquered by the Sea Peoples, nevertheless were mortally weakened and went into a long period of decline. They were subjects of the Assyrians, the Babylonians, and the Persians before being a part of Alexander's conquest, which then put the Ptolemies in power until the Romans took over. Each phase of Egyptian history is distinctly different, so you probably should focus in on one at a time to get a feel for each. Wikipedia is a good place to start.
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I recently read in translation Max Duncker's "History of Antiquity". It's more than a bit out of date in several ways (was written before Sumerian was well understood for example) and has that flowery Gibbon wannabe style, but the first volume is all about Egypt and I feel like I learned a good bit from it.
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What's with this seemingly renewed interest in stuff like stupidly trying to date the sphinx to a more ancient civilization?
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This is probably a tired and bland question but here goes - A friend of mine is saying that his prof asserted that Commodus murdered Marcus Aurelius, but my friend is concerned that his prof is getting Gladiator mixed up with facts. I guessed that it might be one of these "some sources allege..." situations, but the google results are too flooded with Gladiator stuff to make any sense of it - Do any sources allege this, and which are they?
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Disinterested posted:What's with this seemingly renewed interest in stuff like stupidly trying to date the sphinx to a more ancient civilization? I don't know that exact example, but from what I can tell most of the time it's some marginalized ethnic, tribal, religious, etc group trying to lay claim to an ancient heritage. It's understandable and tragic because the legacy of colonialism means that a LOT of those groups essentially had their cultures and histories eradicated. Being able to lay claim to a long tradition that culminates in you is a really powerful thing, and something a lot of people are sadly lacking. It also has political utility if a group wants to lay claim to some ancient birthright.
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CommonShore posted:This is probably a tired and bland question but here goes - I don't know of any "sources" that allege that except for the movie. Commodus was 18 when he became the sole emperor*, which is certainly old enough to come up with that kind of plot I guess (or for someone else to come up with that plot to put him on the throne), but he spent his whole life being a spoiled piece of poo poo and the impression I have of him is that he would have been more than content to continue being the emperor's son and not having to do anything. *I say sole emperor because Marcus Aurelius granted him the same rank as his own, effectively co-emperor, several years prior to his death.
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If Commodus did kill his father, he did a very good job of hiding it. Here's a good collection of ancient sources on Marcus' life. In general he wasn't a very healthy man and he lived a difficult and stressful life, there's no need to suppose he was done in by anything else. But although the ancient authors are quite hostile to Commodus, all claim that he was a big disappointment to Marcus, and some allege that he wasn't in fact Marcus' son, none of them outright accuse him of patricide.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I don't know that exact example, but from what I can tell most of the time it's some marginalized ethnic, tribal, religious, etc group trying to lay claim to an ancient heritage. It's understandable and tragic because the legacy of colonialism means that a LOT of those groups essentially had their cultures and histories eradicated. Being able to lay claim to a long tradition that culminates in you is a really powerful thing, and something a lot of people are sadly lacking. It also has political utility if a group wants to lay claim to some ancient birthright. I can dig more up when I'm not phone posting but there's a couple of hack amateurs out there right now putting out hypotheses that there were advanced civilizations in prehistory wiped out by apocalyptic events. I think they're trying to push a vision of history as cyclical which I think is designed to boost a conservative agenda. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sphinx_water_erosion_hypothesis?wprov=sfla1
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Cyrano4747 posted:I don't know that exact example, but from what I can tell most of the time it's some marginalized ethnic, tribal, religious, etc group trying to lay claim to an ancient heritage. It's understandable and tragic because the legacy of colonialism means that a LOT of those groups essentially had their cultures and histories eradicated. Being able to lay claim to a long tradition that culminates in you is a really powerful thing, and something a lot of people are sadly lacking. It also has political utility if a group wants to lay claim to some ancient birthright. Yeah, a lot of "black Egypt", "black Hannibal", and so on arise because a shitload of people of african descent live in the Americas, but between the slave trade eradicating their heritage and the historical trend of ignoring or marginalizing non-western peoples, they have no idea where they came from and no better idea of what actual african civilizations achieved. They grow up in a society of people claiming their 1/4 norwegian 18% irish a little apache etc heritage proudly, and so the natural recourse is to seize what few african places the west does acknowledge and hang on. In practice those ideas (what the alt right calls afrocentrism) are extremely fringe, but the same mindset drives a lot of similar beliefs. IE serbians claiming the medieval byzantines, generic american white people nerding out about Henry VIII or getting hardcore Lost Cause, the finno-korean hyperwar) Edgar Allen Ho fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Graham Hancock is one of the dudes. I think it's a weird alt right fixation.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Yeah, a lot of "black Egypt", "black Hannibal", and so on arise because a shitload of people of african descent live in the Americas, but between the slave trade eradicating their heritage and the historical trend of ignoring or marginalizing non-western peoples, they have no idea where they came from and no better idea of what actual african civilizations achieved. They grow up in a society of people claiming their 1/4 norwegian 18% irish a little apache etc heritage proudly, and so the natural recourse is to seize what few african places the west does acknowledge and hang on. Yeah it's a lot like the 'well family legend says I have a cherokee princess grandgrandmamma or something so I'm totally native american' white women
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skasion posted:If Commodus did kill his father, he did a very good job of hiding it. Here's a good collection of ancient sources on Marcus' life. In general he wasn't a very healthy man and he lived a difficult and stressful life, there's no need to suppose he was done in by anything else. But although the ancient authors are quite hostile to Commodus, all claim that he was a big disappointment to Marcus, and some allege that he wasn't in fact Marcus' son, none of them outright accuse him of patricide. That's convincing enough for me.
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Tunicate posted:Yeah it's a lot like the 'well family legend says I have a cherokee princess grandgrandmamma or something so I'm totally native american' white women I remember reading somewhere that "cherokee princess" was polite early 20th C speak for "we've got a black person in the family tree," which makes those even funnier.
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Cyrano4747 posted:I remember reading somewhere that "cherokee princess" was polite early 20th C speak for "we've got a black person in the family tree," which makes those even funnier. Yeah in the south, it was code for "no, no, we haven't been schtupping the slaves, it's just our uh... noble savage genes"
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In the interest of fairness I should mention that Gladiator probably got the idea of Commodus murdering Aurelius from The Fall of the Roman Empire, since the overarching plot of the two movies is basically the exact same riff on the story of Aurelius and Commodus and the only thing Gladiator adds is the plot line about, you know, gladiators.
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Commodus supposedly took part in Gladiator games, obviously fixed, would he have actually killed anyone since even regular gladiator games didnt always end fatally or would they just let him prance around like vince mcmahon a bit and then hit the floor
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It depends on how much you believe the negative histories written about him. One story has him beating dwarfs and amputees to death while pretending to be a giant.
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