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This could probably go in some promotional materials: https://twitter.com/SarahPalinUSA/status/883271897605185536 THIS_IS_THE_ENEMY.jpg
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more centralization would be good but maybe comparing the largest chapters to libertarians isn't the best way to propose that
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Raskolnikov38 posted:more centralization would be good but maybe comparing the largest chapters to libertarians isn't the best way to propose that my concern is that he seems to be at least partially complaining that active local chapters are autonomous from an authority or culture that he believes he represents by virtue of having stuck with during lean and grueling years. I don't know--I'll read it over again in a bit. Available help for locals that really want it is a good thing.
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Accretionist posted:This could probably go in some promotional materials: What's wrong with securing a future for white children? I'm only half white and it makes sense to me.
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I thought she meant, "We must secure the existence of our party and a future for Donald Trump."
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unbutthurtable posted:I'm really active in NYC, and I didn't read it this way at all. I read it over again, and I have to say that if I'm going to be dropping $500 a year on DSA membership, I only want that money going to my local. I'm only still involved in DSA because of the actions we've taken within our city and community and the solidarity we've built with other organizations here on a human level. The national organization's priorities and perspective are necessarily at a different level, and their resources must serve the national health of DSA in ways that I don't necessarily care about. I am willing to pay that much in local dues. Maybe that makes me a filthy libertarian, but I'm not willing to kiss goodbye to that kind of money without a ton of accountability from the national organization on how it's spent, and there's no way that doesn't get impractical and ugly. I guess my experience with DSA has been that of fairly autonomous cells that act in solidarity with one another rather than like, a PAC or a political party or a labor union or something. The idea of a national force of organizers with office space and laminators and printers and poo poo is cool, but what happens when they come into conflict with the leadership of the local chapters? I have worked with labor organizers, and they tend to be young and relatively underprepared to act beyond some fairly rigid strategies taught to them by their parent organizations. They also tend to see themselves as separate from the group they're organizing if they're salaried as organizers.
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business hammocks posted:I read it over again, and I have to say that if I'm going to be dropping $500 a year on DSA membership, I only want that money going to my local. I'm only still involved in DSA because of the actions we've taken within our city and community and the solidarity we've built with other organizations here on a human level. The national organization's priorities and perspective are necessarily at a different level, and their resources must serve the national health of DSA in ways that I don't necessarily care about. I am willing to pay that much in local dues. Maybe that makes me a filthy libertarian, but I'm not willing to kiss goodbye to that kind of money without a ton of accountability from the national organization on how it's spent, and there's no way that doesn't get impractical and ugly.
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Jul 7, 2017 21:15
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you can give money to both national and local
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Karl Barks posted:you can give money to both national and local Yes but if I'm paying $20-$30 monthly it's going to my local. national gets $60 a year and for what that pays for I don't think they're the ones that should get more than that.
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that's fine but remember that the smaller chapters will rely on money from national
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Larry Parrish posted:All I know about it is the closest chapter in Sacramento is disturbingly small for the center of political power in this state It had a small number of assholes for many years, and a lot of genuine folks have traditionally been siphoned off, young and gullible, to Democratic staff positions, but have heart, the numbers are there. Sacramento is loving huge and there are socialists in them thar woods. New member orientation was huge attendance but nobody stuck around, so much so that I couldn't get a ride Martin Random has issued a correction as of 21:34 on Jul 7, 2017 |
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business hammocks posted:I read it over again, and I have to say that if I'm going to be dropping $500 a year on DSA membership, I only want that money going to my local. I'm only still involved in DSA because of the actions we've taken within our city and community and the solidarity we've built with other organizations here on a human level. The national organization's priorities and perspective are necessarily at a different level, and their resources must serve the national health of DSA in ways that I don't necessarily care about. I am willing to pay that much in local dues. Maybe that makes me a filthy libertarian, but I'm not willing to kiss goodbye to that kind of money without a ton of accountability from the national organization on how it's spent, and there's no way that doesn't get impractical and ugly. as someone in one of the bigger locals who talks a fair amount with the local's leadership, my expectation is that the elected national leadership will be more or less completely replaced with people with better and more radical politics at the convention
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also imo the most convincing part of the national dues argument is that the big locals (they mention them: east bay, nyc, philly, etc) are mostly on top of their poo poo because they happen to have a lot of labor and ngo (greenpeace, etc) organizers in the membership and elected leadership, but those skills just aren't as available in rural areas or red states, and to build a truly national organization instead of one concentrated in typical big-D Democratic strongholds as DSA is now, the locals need organizing training.
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no more books posted:wait where do I do this. I bought my registration and dorm thing and I remember it said something about second step registration but I haven't gotten that yet. Do they email it to you or something? I bought my registration on Sunday It was part of the Google form they send you in an automated email. Its from Dulhade iirc
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Business Gorillas posted:It was part of the Google form they send you in an automated email. Its from Dulhade iirc I strangely did not get this email. If anyone is like me just email the DSA convention gmail and they'll email you one
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Shear Modulus posted:as someone in one of the bigger locals who talks a fair amount with the local's leadership, my expectation is that the elected national leadership will be more or less completely replaced with people with better and more radical politics at the convention Lol if you think NYC DSA is on top of its finance game Just lol
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Larry Parrish posted:To be fair most people from the east bay do suck ah, i see you've met some of the same people as I have ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 19:54 on Jul 29, 2017 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:more centralization would be good but maybe comparing the largest chapters to libertarians isn't the best way to propose that left libertarians are cool and good, friend. and we had the word first before the right-libs took it. Part of what attracted me to DSA was that the big tent, decentralized approach was welcoming to anarchist types like myself and... uh... the rest of our chapter's OC. If you want centralized, there's SAlt or ISO. ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 06:32 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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A monthly subscription to a socialist org where most of the cash floats back to NYC national and then trickles back down sounds counter-revolutionary as gently caress and super against the de-centralized grassroots nature of the DSA.
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SocialismBox, CommieCrate, LeftChest
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Greatbacon posted:A monthly subscription to a socialist org where most of the cash floats back to NYC national and then trickles back down sounds counter-revolutionary as gently caress and super against the de-centralized grassroots nature of the DSA. That the proposal already gives 20% of members' dues back to their locals (and that the post argues against 50%) suggests to me that they know keeping some of the money local is inevitable, and all that's left is the negotiation of just how much. I wish all the delegates luck fighting to set that percentage correctly.
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Doc Hawkins posted:That the proposal already gives 20% of members' dues back to their locals (and that the post argues against 50%) suggests to me that they know keeping some of the money local is inevitable, and all that's left is the negotiation of just how much. Is it likely this proposal will pass?
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There's a better dues proposal! https://bit.ly/dues_amendment
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I had a lot of fun at the Sac DSA happy hour. Lots of regular rear end folks. I met Dave Hildebrand, which was cool even though he's a filthy Dem.
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business hammocks posted:Is it likely this proposal will pass? lol, no. DSA tripled in size in a year and most delegates are not going to be from the people around more than a year ago. National has managed to do poo poo all to help any locals organize so there's poo poo all chance of the same delegates voting to first ask their members to pay like 8x as much and then give national 80% of their own members dues while simultaneously calling for a more centralized top-down model.
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fermun posted:National has managed to do poo poo all to help any locals organize so there's poo poo all chance of the same delegates voting to first ask their members to pay like 8x as much and then give national 80% of their own members dues while simultaneously calling for a more centralized top-down model. National does need resources if it's going to help folks organize, so this could easily turn in to a catch-22.
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I think national needs funds bc a regional or even state level coordinator is gonna be necessary if we want to engage in direct action related to policy/legislation/electoral politics
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The proposal is asking for at minimum 2x annual dues paid out over a monthly basis of minimum $10/month with an expected 8x-10x annual dues when averaged out over all members. Then the proposal says the split should be 80% national, 20% local. National would receive between 6.4x and 8x more annually than they do now if the general estimate numbers in the post are accurate and it were to be adopted. There are zero hard budget numbers justifying why national needs that kind of funding. They don't even give us a rough on "uhh, yeah we want 1 regional organizer per XXX members". They don't give us the regional distribution of members for us to judge the necessary number of national staffers, etc. How can I possibly judge their request without knowing why they are requesting that. Also, they primarily push organizers when imo, the first regional staffers from national should be conflict resolution and grievances because there's enough human capital at large chapters to provide that but smaller ones are going to either have no one experienced/trained or have conflicts of interest. I did actually just find this, which at least goes into things a little bit more into detail. Just started reading. https://docs.google.com/document/d/16ZZ2OFzrquZK6Vt_Ll9W5kpLjX1PGagWnn8FjyGgk0I/edit fermun has issued a correction as of 10:12 on Jul 8, 2017 |
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i couldn't afford anywhere near those dues unless there's a way to opt out of them for low-income members
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dsa should just bite the bullet and organize along feudal lines where each member must provide a third of their harvest to the local org which in turn must provide a certain number of Socialist Knights to protest when called upon by national
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:i couldn't afford anywhere near those dues unless there's a way to opt out of them for low-income members AFAIK you can technically donate $1 and be considered a "dues paying member" for the purposes of starting an OC or Chapter, this could be wrong though
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tbh if that isnt true it should be, the people who can't afford $27, and there's plenty out there, need to be in the DSA
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theres nothing wrong with being poor i have 3 jobs and im still poor
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I got my dues sponsored by my chapter lol
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Jul 8, 2017 09:57
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The aussie government is paying retailers to take on free labor. And then paying them again to hire the people . https://www.vice.com/en_au/article/d38vzx/retailers-love-the-governments-new-unpaid-intern-scheme?utm_source=vicefblocalau
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quote:The PaTH scheme was the centrepiece of the Turnbull Government's 2016 Budget, and it doesn't mean unemployed people go completely unrewarded for their work as "interns"—just that the businesses hiring them don't have to cough up any money. Instead, interns will receive a $200 fortnightly incentive (the equivalent of being paid $4 per hour) from the government on top of their income support as they complete a four to 12-week program with a retailer. lol
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Do Australians use funny money or do retail workers really make like 3x what they do in the US?
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Thug Lessons posted:Do Australians use funny money or do retail workers really make like 3x what they do in the US? their minimum wage = $14 usd
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Thug Lessons posted:Do Australians use funny money or do retail workers really make like 3x what they do in the US? money is worth a different amount there im pretty sure too. but in this case they will be interns that the government pays the retailer to work. Like you work for someone, and they get paid, and you get half as much as normal. lol
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