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Is overpopulation really a thing? Or is it just something to cover up for the fact that the first world nations take up an ungodly amount of resources?
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A lot of liberal media would probably not jump in on the prison slavery thing because a lot remain convinced of the justness of the legal system. Fox however has no such moral qualms and would probably be able to contain the dissonance of arguing this while believing the legal system isn't hard enough on black people.quote:Is overpopulation really a thing? Or is it just something to cover up for the fact that the first world nations take up an ungodly amount of resources? It's almost entirely bullshit.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:13
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Jul 9, 2017 20:19
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MizPiz posted:gently caress it, have Eichenwald come out, spend the entire time complain about how Trump won't let him make a point, and wave a binder that has "Trump-Russia Evidence" written on it. go full WWF, bring in the montana guy to bodyslam jabronis, the Rock is guest debate ref. embrace idiocracy
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Jul 9, 2017 20:24
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MizPiz posted:gently caress it, have Eichenwald come out, spend the entire time complain about how Trump won't let him make a point, and wave a binder that has "Trump-Russia Evidence" written on it. 
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Jul 9, 2017 20:28
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Yinlock posted:i take the controversial stance that slavery is bad are u a prison abolitionist
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Jul 9, 2017 20:33
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Agnosticnixie posted:It's almost entirely bullshit.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:37
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is overpopulation really a thing?
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Jul 9, 2017 20:38
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if slaveghazi had come out during the election the liberal centrists would have been like oh, hillary is a slavemaster now? where'd you hear about that, in her ~~~emails~~~? what are you gonna do about it, vote for trump? welcome to the republican party 
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Jul 9, 2017 20:40
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deadgoon posted:if slaveghazi had come out during the election the liberal centrists would have been like Then I would have voted for Trump because I would have realized humanity deserves to suffer and die.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:42
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deadgoon posted:are u a prison abolitionist Hey, it worked in Ünderland.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:44
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Horseshoe theory posted:Hey, it worked in Ünderland. Until they needed them when the Venture family landed in Ünderland, then it directly lead to a coup. 
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Jul 9, 2017 20:45
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there's trouble in paradise! r/enough_sanders_spam has removed r/neoliberal from their sidebar and no longer considers them a friend of the subreddit! https://www.reddit.com/r/Enough_Sanders_Spam/comments/6m5rts/petition_to_remove_rneoliberal_from_sidebar/ quote:Petition to remove /r/neoliberal from sidebar (self.Enough_Sanders_Spam) quote:[–]HorrorAtRedHookBanned from r/S4P 21 points 14 hours ago ok, that doesn't tell us much. what caused this sudden rift between r/ess and r/neoliberal? https://np.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/6lvpyx/where_did_the_hillary_clinton_flair_go/ quote:Where did the Hillary Clinton flair go? (self.neoliberal) oh... they've also removed the corey booker and a few other flairs that have hillary fans upset. turns out the creators of r/neoliberal are libertarians and not the good political allies hillfreaks thought they'd be... but don't worry, they still hate poor people more than they hate r/neoliberal and police brutality! quote:Arab refugees watching anti-G20 riots in Hamburg from the relative safety of a falafel joint said on Saturday the rioters were insane for destroying their tolerant adoptive city and were astonished by what they saw as the police's restraint. (mobile.reuters.com)
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Jul 9, 2017 20:50
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Condiv posted:they've also removed the corey booker and a few other flairs that have hillary fans upset. turns out the creators of r/neoliberal are libertarians and not the good political allies hillfreaks thought they'd be... I can barely contain my shock.
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Jul 9, 2017 20:51
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SKULL.GIF posted:Matt Y finally stumbles matt y is still a baby at understanding poo poo like this give him time
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Jul 9, 2017 20:54
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SKULL.GIF posted:Matt Y finally stumbles https://twitter.com/JonahNRO/status/884072361997340672
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Jul 9, 2017 21:00
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Frankfurt School did nothing wrong.
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is overpopulation really a thing? Or is it just something to cover up for the fact that the first world nations take up an ungodly amount of resources? *soapbox* Yes, overpopulation is a problem. Yes, we would be significantly better off today if we had half the population that we do now, with very little reduction in actual quality of living. Yes, first-world countries consume and waste an extreme amount of resources, and this must be addressed. There is absolutely no reason we need to have more than 7 billion people on the planet, it literally only benefits the wealthy for this many people to exist because each additional person means more labor to leech from. You will never meet more than a million people in your entire lifetime, and probably not even more than a hundred thousand people. People go "Haha we can just fit everyone in the planet in Texas, overpopulation doesn't matter" and it is stupid and credulous because it ignores A) the absolutely massive infrastructural effort it takes to build more and more cities and human habitats, B) that most places on the planet aren't actually inhabitable, desirable, or even a good idea to live in (eg Phoenix AZ), C) the impact of human consumption on wildlife (overfishing is already a biiig problem) D) that it actually sucks bigly to subsist off insect paste and soy while living in your 200 sqft apartment and that the more people there are the less choice you will have about this E) the bigger the population becomes the more complicated transportation becomes and the less enjoyable it is to travel and to go to places like parks, historical monuments, etc F) the more people there are the less each individual person matters to other people or to the system and the less effectively you are represented in government punk rebel ecks posted:I mean even of birth rates don't go down. Birth rates are going down as people become more educated and standards of living improves, but hoo boy if they didn't we are in serious trouble. Even with birth rates leveling off it's looking like we're going to have 10 billion people by the middle of the century. I cannot see anything positive coming of this.
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Jul 9, 2017 21:04
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gently caress marxism
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Baloogan posted:gently caress marxism yeah, marxism is hot and sexy
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Jul 9, 2017 21:05
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i'm concerned by the depletion of our username reserves
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Jul 9, 2017 21:05
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instead of valuable usernames being taken and used up by this older, decrepit millennial generation, it's time for the usernames to be redistributed to the neo-millennials
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Jul 9, 2017 21:07
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I would vote for Chelsea in 2020 https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/884140413719908353
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SKULL.GIF posted:*soapbox* if we had a rationally set up society, a high population would be objectively better in some ways. like for example scientific discovery has accelerated a lot in the last few decades from both more education (the usual explanation) but also from the sheer quantity of intelligent scientifically inclined people increasing. of course government resources for education and research have not kept up in most places and a lot of those people are not actually researching as a result, but even with that being the case the pace of discovery has accelerated. there are a lot of downsides too obviously but it's not all bad
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Jazerus posted:if we had a rationally set up society, a high population would be objectively better in some ways. like for example scientific discovery has accelerated a lot in the last few decades from both more education (the usual explanation) but also from the sheer quantity of intelligent scientifically inclined people increasing. of course government resources for education and research have not kept up in most places and a lot of those people are not actually researching as a result, but even with that being the case the pace of discovery has accelerated. there are a lot of downsides too obviously but it's not all bad I considered bringing that up but honestly not all scientific advances are used to improve quality of life, they're just as often used to repress us or to exploit us. Mass surveillance (via government, Facebook, or otherwise) is a huge technological and organizational breakthrough but I don't think anyone would praise it. But yeah, more scientists = better, usually. I read a couple papers several months back that suggested that the ideal global population, for everyone to have like 1/2 or 3/4ths the standard of living that Westerners enjoyed in the 90s and taking in account resource consumption and living space et al, would be 2 billion. Between the population spiking up massively and the planet entering a global climate crisis I don't see any way that this ends without lots of blood being spilled
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SKULL.GIF posted:Between the population spiking up massively and the planet entering a global climate crisis I don't see any way that this ends without lots of blood being spilled This is going to end with rivers of blood, even without taking climate into account.
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Jul 9, 2017 21:31
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punk rebel ecks posted:Is overpopulation really a thing? Or is it just something to cover up for the fact that the first world nations take up an ungodly amount of resources? Total resources needed = number of people * average consumption per person. So we could solve the problem by working on either factor. Population growth has happily been taking care of itself because there's a global trend trend toward urbanization and gender equality. Families make fewer kids when they're no longer helpful as farm labor and women are educated/can control their bodies. Reality kind of threw us a freebie with that one. Also yes, there are vast disparities hiding in "average consumption". One Canadian uses the same as like ten Indians.
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Jul 9, 2017 21:37
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People in rich countries tend to focus on the "total number of people" part because they would rather sterilize poor foreigners than consume less.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXMnRaSkkp4
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deadgoon posted:are u a prison abolitionist why would i not be, i clearly just said slavery is bad
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platzapS posted:People in rich countries tend to focus on the "total number of people" part because they would rather sterilize poor foreigners than consume less. even if you reduce consumption significantly you still have to deal with everything else that comes of having more people: 1) crowding, especially of places people want to visit because they're historically / culturally significant, or just simply enjoying nature / wilderness 2) transportation and travel, airlines and subways and whatnot increase capacity linearly 3) freedom of food and lifestyle choice 4) effective representation in government, not being considered dispensable in society the more people there are the more each of these things become serious problems. they're already serious problems!
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Jul 9, 2017 21:58
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what if we started consuming poor foreigners bing bing bong bong bing so simple
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Jul 9, 2017 21:59
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actually you exist to protect Middle America who i don't think actually exist?
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Jul 9, 2017 21:59
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SKULL.GIF posted:even if you reduce consumption significantly you still have to deal with everything else that comes of having more people: i know this is your pet issue and all but populations are generally levelling off
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platzapS posted:People in rich countries tend to focus on the "total number of people" part because they would rather sterilize poor foreigners than consume less. wouldn't it be crazy if they were trying to kill off the non-rich in their own countries too? like if they were deregulating poo poo to the point where opioids were being handed out like candy, and then they clamped down on supply when a ton of people were addicted and let them die of fenatyl laced heroin cause there's no decent rehab in our drug-phobic hellscape? good thing they're not actually doing that stuff and the opioid epidemic is just a one-time fluke 
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Yinlock posted:i know this is your pet issue and all but populations are generally levelling off projection of 10 billion by 2050 is pretty commonly accepted, that's 3 billion extra people in 3 decades, an increase of nearly 50% from today rate of growth is leveling off, but growth itself is still increasing
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Hot take about overpopulation: We're not even close to overpopulating the general landmass. We just have a habit of overpopulating specific small parts of the landmass available. Local over-consumption is bad for sustainability of resources and the general environment. Indoor growing buildings with energy efficient LED grow lights will revolutionize the food industry as you could take a single plot and farm multiple plots worth of food from it via a multi-story building, with more efficient production methods than just the chaos of the outdoors. This will do 2 things 1) Make it feasible for more remote populations to grow and advance 2) Make it feasible for cities to sustain more people. This of course would rely on energy sources moreso than regular farming (more in terms of electricity, less gas used), but would require less land. This would in turn destroy the regular farming setup and makes large areas of land available for more development of utilities (solar, wind, battery banks) and other structures (Housing, entertainment, parks/forests). It still wouldn't solve the general over-consumption of non-sustained production, but we're moving towards more sustainability with agriculture. Livestock and fishing would have more land, but it's unlikely they'll be as sustainable as scaling agriculture. (Fish farming maybe, but regular livestock very doubtful) ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 22:13 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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found this doozy of an article when browsing r/newdemocrats, the subreddit for r/ess-ers who feel shirked by r/neoliberal's libertarianness Reagan: FDR's True Heir somehow hillary clinton was both the most left-leaning candidate in history, and to the right of reagan... A republican posted:"any person in the United States who requires medical attention and cannot provide for himself should have it provided for him." Condiv has issued a correction as of 22:19 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Hail Malthus
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