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qhat posted:anyone who lists that many things on their competencies better be a loving google architect or else i'm just gonna assume they're an idiot hipster most of them aren't even real things, not to mention the pokemon.
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i'm the person that lists everything they have used at least once on their resume but that list is short enough that i'm comfortable talking about any of it even though i may not have used it since college
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Jul 8, 2017 03:07
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I've had interviewers ignore anything I haven't used in the last 3 months which ends up a super poo poo show if you are regularly working on projects with completely different technology. I mean drat I've been using Node and I definitely don't want a full-time position based on that.
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1) a Robert Half recruiter fished me out of the suicidal hellpit that was being an Epic washout in 2008/2009, but they are generally loving uselessly far off base 2) recruiters don't seem to get what to do with a candidate that is not an interchangeable part from a <technology_x> machine, but neither do corporate HR departments 3) has anyone said "figgy pudding" yet
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Jul 8, 2017 03:34
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does anyone actually let companies install root kits on your computers for assessments? because lol that is not a thing that is going to be happening and I don't want to work at Facebook bad enough to burn half the day building out a vm.
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Jul 9, 2017 18:37
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leper khan posted:does anyone actually let companies install root kits on your computers for assessments? because lol that is not a thing that is going to be happening and I don't want to work at Facebook bad enough to burn half the day building out a vm. cisco puts a bunch of shady stuff like jamf in the software you can get as an employee which is why we have things like ms office and anyconnect available internal to our org
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Jul 10, 2017 02:38
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we basically tell everyone "if you have to install software you get directly from cisco, please use a vm"
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Jul 10, 2017 02:39
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leper khan posted:does anyone actually let companies install root kits on your computers for assessments? because lol that is not a thing that is going to be happening and I don't want to work at Facebook bad enough to burn half the day building out a vm. pls explain i have never heard of this poo poo
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Jul 10, 2017 02:48
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:pls explain i remember (i think) someone posted screenshots of the warning screens before Amazon's online coding assessment but i wasnt able to find it. it warned you that they keep track of your browser usage and running programs and your webcam/mic while you are taking the test.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:56
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leper khan posted:does anyone actually let companies install root kits on your computers for assessments? because lol that is not a thing that is going to be happening and I don't want to work at Facebook bad enough to burn half the day building out a vm. if i was an idiot looking to work at a garbage company i definitely would so no
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Jul 10, 2017 03:08
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leper khan posted:does anyone actually let companies install root kits on your computers for assessments? because lol that is not a thing that is going to be happening and I don't want to work at Facebook bad enough to burn half the day building out a vm. did they start doing that recently? i was actually thinking fb could be a feasible fallback if my current company goes to poo poo, but not if they're starting to go that route. lmao at handing out a timed exam like that. rather than doing that, imo just ask for a small code sample (either new or existing) and if it looks reasonable follow up with a phonecall where they explain whatever design decisions/tradeoffs they made. its pretty easy to catch a bullshitter in this process
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Jul 10, 2017 03:30
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:pls explain I was asked to do a timed 25 minute code exam for Facebook. prior to performing it, the proctoring website forces you to install something that monitors your network traffic and potentially reads memory. I refused to install it and sent a mail to the recruiter to that effect. not really sure what there is to explain.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:55
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leper khan posted:I was asked to do a timed 25 minute code exam for Facebook. prior to performing it, the proctoring website forces you to install something that monitors your network traffic and potentially reads memory. being willing to install the software is the test goondolences
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Jul 10, 2017 04:00
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mishaq posted:being willing to install the software is the test this except goongratulations
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:this except goongratulations
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:this except goongratulations any company who starts a business relationship with that kind of trust posture is not one that ever gets better once you get inside Bhodi fucked around with this message at 04:18 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Jul 10, 2017 04:14
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Progressive JPEG posted:did they start doing that recently? i was actually thinking fb could be a feasible fallback if my current company goes to poo poo, but not if they're starting to go that route. lmao at handing out a timed exam like that. yeah but you can't automate bullshit detection soooo
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Jul 10, 2017 06:22
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How many times has anyone here had to explain poo poo to an interviewer because they are dumb and apparently didn't know basic things about their own job, and still received a job offer?
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Jul 10, 2017 06:43
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qhat posted:How many times has anyone here had to explain poo poo to an interviewer because they are dumb and apparently didn't know basic things about their own job, and still received a job offer? let me guess: after you did this, everyone stood up and applauded
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Jul 10, 2017 06:49
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don't post my evangelion fanfic
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qhat posted:How many times has anyone here had to explain poo poo to an interviewer because they are dumb and apparently didn't know basic things about their own job, and still received a job offer?
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Jul 10, 2017 08:48
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qhat posted:How many times has anyone here had to explain poo poo to an interviewer because they are dumb and apparently didn't know basic things about their own job, and still received a job offer? I have done that several times. never lead to an offer. polite:less than polite ratio is probably 1:1.5. usually the less than polite version comes after they refuse the polite version. my favorite one of those involved pulling out my iPad, opening up the c++ standard, scrolling for ~30 seconds and sliding it to them asking (telling) them to read the section.
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Jul 10, 2017 10:36
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The least believable part of that is how you were able to connect your iPad to the internet during the interview
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dragon enthusiast posted:The least believable part of that is how you were able to connect your iPad to the internet during the interview why would I need to do that?
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Jul 10, 2017 14:17
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dragon enthusiast posted:The least believable part of that is how you were able to connect your iPad to the internet during the interview look at this poor with the wifi-only model
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Jul 10, 2017 14:24
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dragon enthusiast posted:The least believable part of that is how you were able to connect your iPad to the internet during the interview if they're enough of a pedant to pull out the c++ spec during an interview it's not a stretch to assume the spec was stored locally, it's not that big
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Jul 10, 2017 14:42
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why would you take a job if youre already impatiently lecturing coworkers about 101 poo poo before you start
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power botton posted:why would you take a job if youre already impatiently lecturing coworkers about 101 poo poo before you start how you gonna lecture coworkers without a job
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leper khan posted:I have done that several times. never lead to an offer. Pretty much this, it's definitely my experience that some interviewers, often junior ones, have precooked ideas about what the answers they're looking for and try to force the question in that direction. I had to explain why a linked list would be a terrible idea for storing small data types like chars on a stack because of the huge memory wastage of storing pointers, but they were convinced this wasn't so bad because you can always just do data[0] to the end of the structure, ignoring the fact that this still leaves the next pointer taking up 8x more space than the char. They also didn't seem to understand why pop methods in the STL don't return values. I'm always polite about it since that's the whole point of the interview, but ya I didn't get an offer either lol.
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minivanmegafun posted:if they're enough of a pedant to pull out the c++ spec during an interview it's not a stretch to assume the spec was stored locally, it's not that big to be fair I only pulled out the spec when he told me I was wrong in saying that structs were not more limited than classes. and refused to accept that he was confusing the notion of a POD type with a struct. lol "tech" company "CTO"
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i am so glad i no longer have to care about the dumpster fire that is c++ yeah coding in plain old c is tedious and painful but if the cure is c++ then i'll keep the disease
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leper khan posted:to be fair I only pulled out the spec when he told me I was wrong in saying that structs were not more limited than classes. and refused to accept that he was confusing the notion of a POD type with a struct. Sounds like he wasn't actually a C++ engineer and perhaps just an ITO grad or something. Not knowing the difference between a class and a struct (nothing iirc other than the default access modifier?) or even what a pod type is is pretty inexcusable if he was an engineer.
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c/c++ is so far outside my area of expertise but do people honestly care about stack pedantics and slight memory waste IRL, like my top three have always been maintainability, consistency, repeatability code touching isn't my specialty i'm a  but I can assure you we can likely throw more hardware at the problem for cheaper than it takes people to test and implement optimizations, with the exception of embedded poo poo and uh I guess video shamespeople love to rabbit hole down super complex and clever solutions with intracately balanced b-trees or whatever the gently caress but I'm just like look read the whole damned thing into memory in an array, who gives a poo poo, like we can even deal with multi-billion endpoint graphs on one machine w/ some clever helper libs like mmap, we have the hardware, if the software has a 10 year lifespan machines are going to be 4 times as good by the end but your poo poo code is still going to be poo poo code that has to be maintained Bhodi fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Bhodi posted:c/c++ is so far outside my area of expertise but do people honestly care about stack pedantics and slight memory waste IRL, like my top three have always been maintainability, consistency, repeatability c++ is especially hilarious because seemingly benign code will result in billions of copies being generated and hilarious numbers of cache misses and if you're writing c++ then you're probably working in some domain where you actually have to care about that so yes, people care. my favorite is when people needle you about minor pedantic things in interviews and you say it sounds implementation defined and then they go pale. even in C#, I've gotten a 150-200x speed up in a library by rewriting a couple loops. Also reimplementing Array.Reverse because it was either boxing elements or otherwise not doing things in-place. unity is the worst.
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c++ sounds bad you guys, why would you inflict that on yourself. and unity over unreal? double yikes. even our forum threads are filled with unity horror stories sit behind a desk, sip some coffee, and hit the run button on an elaborately-crafted automation routine and watch all your servers spawn, activate and scuttle around like little drones, 
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Bhodi posted:c/c++ is so far outside my area of expertise but do people honestly care about stack pedantics and slight memory waste IRL, like my top three have always been maintainability, consistency, repeatability Yes it's extremely important since the whole reason people write C code in the first place is to make some algorithm or toolkit as efficient as possible with close to zero overhead, and then perhaps even make a binding to it from other languages. If you don't care about efficiency then there's literally no point in using C at all and you may as well just implement everything in pure python or whatever.
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Reasons to write C: You don't want to write ASM. You want speed. Reasons to write C++: You don't want to write C. You want speed. You like easier string handling. You aren't writing kernel code.
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qhat posted:They also didn't seem to understand why pop methods in the STL don't return values. I don't know this and want to vvv EDIT: I felt dumb posting this and went to snack overflow afterward, and they said that plus "copy constructors can throw exceptions" I still wish they'd just provide the obvious pop_and_give() as part of the STL tho LordSaturn fucked around with this message at 16:24 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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LordSaturn posted:I don't know this and want to With pop that returns a value, you are forced to copy the popped value every time it is called since this is the only correct way to return a deleted value, however it's not efficient. Instead, you can just have people peek at the top of the structure using a reference and copy it if they need to. When you're designing a library that is designed to fit everyone's needs as best as it can, it's wise not to impose unnecessary overheads. Therefore, not having pop return a value is best because it's both efficient and correct.
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