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evilweasel posted:that is...not how the supreme court works Yeah it is, people talk all the time about how " the Warren court was this way" or "the Berger court was that way". Historically his name is going to be the one people remember and blame.
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evilweasel posted:its strong evidence of collusion, meeting with a russian literally barred from the united states and only allowed to enter on parole to assist with a legal case against someone else who is in trouble based on sanctions against russia who are promising oppo dirt and are busy hacking your opponents who also want to discuss lifting sanctions on russia  when you put it all in one sentence it looks even more hosed up than it is, which is saying quite a lotEdit: Megapost updated mdemone fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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Glazier posted:Yeah it is, people talk all the time about how " the Warren court was this way" or "the Berger court was that way". Historically his name is going to be the one people remember and blame. This case would have come out the same way if it were the Ginsburg Court, so I'm not sure what your point is
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Vegetable posted:is this illegal though Logan act, the first very real and serious use of it. quote:The Logan Act (1 Stat. 613, 18 U.S.C. § 953, enacted January 30, 1799) is a United States federal law that details the fine and/or imprisonment of unauthorized citizens who negotiate with foreign governments having a dispute with the United States. This (among other reasons) is why collusion is bad and should be taken seriously. In 1799, the founding fathers basically said: this isn't what the united states is about or should ever be about, yo.
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The debt ceiling discussion this autumn is going to be an even worse car crash than the last one. And I really thought it wouldn't be possible  If the Freedom Caucus really screws with this, it would be spectacular in a very negative way.
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There Bias Two posted:Did...did POTUS just threaten Congress? Look, I hate Trump as much as anyone here, but this in no way reads like a threat to me. A criticsm, yes. But not a threat.
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Junior G-man posted:The debt ceiling discussion this autumn is going to be an even worse car crash than the last one. And I really thought it wouldn't be possible oh my god the conditions they imposed  quote:The Freedom Caucus will offer three options: I was wondering "How long until Republicans/Trump tank the economy because ideology" and welp looks like less than a year!
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farraday posted:I'd let you. I'd let you rob a dozen banks to increase the reward for information leading to your arrest.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They are so incredibly stupid. Dems are not even in power and they are still committed to blowing everything up. I'm not sure what to say if you thought their nihilism was fueled by anything other than ideology, not hatred. e: hatred of the status quo/current governing party that is
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Comedy option: Republicans have to ask the democrats to help them pass a clean budget again.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They are so incredibly stupid. Dems are not even in power and they are still committed to blowing everything up. Freedom Caucus is republican. Am I not getting the joke?
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pepito sanchez posted:Freedom Caucus is republican. Am I not getting the joke? Indefinite pronouns strike again.
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pepito sanchez posted:Freedom Caucus is republican. Am I not getting the joke? He means freedom caucus for "they"
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pepito sanchez posted:Freedom Caucus is republican. Am I not getting the joke? He meant that the FC is committed to blowing poo poo up even when the Dems aren't in power
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pepito sanchez posted:Freedom Caucus is republican. Am I not getting the joke? HFC is ostensibly aligned with the republicans but their legislative agenda is sheer lunacy and they exist only to drag the Overton window to the right. They need to be dealt with and one of the first thing dems need to do when they get power again is get rid of this debt ceiling nonsense.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They are so incredibly stupid. Dems are not even in power and they are still committed to blowing everything up. Ideological Purity at the altar of Our Saint Rand is a hell of a drug.
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FlamingLiberal posted:They are so incredibly stupid. Dems are not even in power and they are still committed to blowing everything up. Man I had to read this sentence like 3 times until I got what you meant.
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botany posted:Man I had to read this sentence like 3 times until I got what you meant. To be honest, both interpretations of that sentence are mostly to completely correct.
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botany posted:Man I had to read this sentence like 3 times until I got what you meant. loving glad I wasn't the only one getting confused.
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aware of dog posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/CITeam_en/status/884365589967458304 It's a Russian ceasefire. That means Russians and their allies get to do what they want, *and* to complain and call out a violation if their targets do anything to resist.
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OddObserver posted:It's a Russian ceasefire. That means Russians and their allies get to do what they want, *and* to complain and call out a violation if their targets do anything to resist. That's the Art of the Deal (tm) at work
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So now that collusion's becoming more of a real thing, what are the odds Logan Act gets called on Trump (his campaign) this next week? It's never been prosecuted, but it's a test: Is the president above the law or not. How does this law from 217+ years ago even get interpreted in the modern day? It's fairly cut and dry: you can't get help from a foreign power this way while you're a private citizen.
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Your Taint posted:Look, I hate Trump as much as anyone here, but this in no way reads like a threat to me. A criticsm, yes. But not a threat. Are you not familiar with passive aggressive soccer moms?
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pepito sanchez posted:So now that collusion's becoming more of a real thing, what are the odds Logan Act gets called on Trump (his campaign) this next week? It's never been prosecuted, but it's a test: Is the president above the law or not. How does this law from 217+ years ago even get interpreted in the modern day? It's fairly cut and dry: you can't get help from a foreign power this way while you're a private citizen. 0. The odds are zero.
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FizFashizzle posted:HFC is ostensibly aligned with the republicans but their legislative agenda is sheer lunacy and they exist only to drag the Overton window to the right. In the sense that conservatism as a political ideology needs to become about as acceptable as, well gently caress nazis are ok now, as nazis used to be, sure. That's not isolated to congress or the HFC though. For the HFC, so far all they've done is scuttle a lot of evil poo poo for not being evil enough and force the GOP to compromise with democrats on things like the debt ceiling because the alternative is too dire even for the republicans. And if any of that changes, we're into well, the GOP has successfully destroyed America territory.
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enraged_camel posted:Logan Act says it is illegal for "unauthorized" citizens to collude, so Republicans can always claim that Manafort was authorized since he was campaign chair and therefore authorized by the man who is now POTUS and he was present at the meeting therefore a presidential candidate can't authorize poo poo, any more than I can however the logan act has never been enforced iirc and nobody's about to start
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https://twitter.com/LemieuxLGM/status/884430622118346752 (personally I view this more as McConnell giving Cruz enough rope to hang his amendment without McConnell's fingerprints on it, not to hang the bill itself)
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What if they agreed to whip Cruz for votes? As an aside, a High School newspaper took the opportunity to call Mattis after his phone number was leaked and scored an interview. So that's a thing that happened. https://twitter.com/ddale8/status/884425245532336131 http://mihsislander.org/2017/06/full-transcript-james-mattis-interview/
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evilweasel posted:a presidential candidate can't authorize poo poo, any more than I can You're telling me that being a former D&D mod doesn't give you special governmental powers? What bullshit
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Koyaanisgoatse posted:You're telling me that being a former D&D mod doesn't give you special governmental powers? What bullshit It gets you killed in Libya
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Al Borland Corp. posted:It gets you killed in Libya I was chuckling sensibly and then you said that. 
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Autism Sneaks posted:No So he was worried about getting seatjacked...?
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farraday posted:What if they agreed to whip Cruz for votes? Idiocy of the lead up aside, that is a pretty good interview. Never seen that sort of quality from high school newspapers.
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farraday posted:I'd let you. I'd let you rob a dozen banks to increase the reward for information leading to your arrest. No democrats should vote for a clean debt ceiling bill unless they get something in return.
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evilweasel posted:a presidential candidate can't authorize poo poo, any more than I can Again the obvious Republican stupid counter-argument: "If information can be retroactively classified, actions can be retroactively authorized! And GOD EMPEROR will do just that!" quote:however the logan act has never been enforced iirc and nobody's about to start Yep, this is another one of those things solidly in the "nothing matters" camp.
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