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FizFashizzle posted:There's no precedent for a president using a pardon when he's not walking out the door so it's impossible to gauge what the reaction would be. But we fuckin' showed them.
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CmdrRiker posted:If it's that simple then why didn't Nixon just pardon himself? Didn't need to, also sincerely believed he didn't do anything illegal
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Jul 10, 2017 23:07
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JasonV posted:Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt. I'm no lawyer, but I bet you can impeach the president if he's been pardoned. You're just taking away the criminal punishment with a pardon, but you can still remove him from office for the same crime he just confessed to. You can impeach a president for anything you want, whether they committed a crime or not is irrelevant.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:trump will definitly tweet about this soon: https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/6/15923722/tv-network-ratings-nielsen-viewership Of course it's NBC that does this.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:08
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The Glumslinger posted:Also, they probably think they might still be able to worm their way out of this, you know, because they are so much smarter than us and he keeps hiring the best people to deal with it and what part of the The Best People are you unclear about? Lol if you think they even need to "weasel out" of anything. I may (hopefully) be mistaken, but isn't the consensus still that we're all just tinfoil hat-wearing weirdos for still talking about Trump and Russia? That's the vibe I'm getting from, well everybody I know aside from myself and people in this thread.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:09
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Didn't need to, also sincerely believed he didn't do anything illegal I don't know, the Frost/Nixon interviews paint a different picture.
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Overwined posted:I don't know, the Frost/Nixon interviews paint a different picture. If the president does it . . . Say rather could not consciously, overtly admit to himself he did anything illegal
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Grimdude posted:Lol if you think they even need to "weasel out" of anything. I may (hopefully) be mistaken, but isn't the consensus still that we're all just tinfoil hat-wearing weirdos for still talking about Trump and Russia? I'm guessing those people also think both parties are equally evil as well?
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Dogwood Fleet posted:Of course it's NBC that does this. I can only wonder how many folks watched "Da AppRenTissE" and "Th e Apprentics" over the years.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:If the president does it . . . I agree but stress the overtly part. The reason I came to the conclusion that he knew full well what he did was wrong was because of the mental acrobatics he performed to dry and convince Frost (and the country) that he did nothing wrong. I feel a truly innocent man would be more flabbergasted at the accusation and have less defense tactics used to get an exoneration on a technicality.
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Grimdude posted:Lol if you think they even need to "weasel out" of anything. I may (hopefully) be mistaken, but isn't the consensus still that we're all just tinfoil hat-wearing weirdos for still talking about Trump and Russia? The consensus among idiot Republicans, maybe. A decent majority of Americans think there's something going on
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Didn't need to, also sincerely believed he didn't do anything illegal That not true.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:20
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Overwined posted:I agree but stress the overtly part. The reason I came to the conclusion that he knew full well what he did was wrong was because of the mental acrobatics he performed to dry and convince Frost (and the country) that he did nothing wrong. I feel a truly innocent man would be more flabbergasted at the accusation and have less defense tactics used to get an exoneration on a technicality. Yeah. Nixon's downfall was he was capable of feeling shamem. a weakness Trump does not share.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah. Nixon's downfall was he was capable of feeling shamem. a weakness Trump does not share. Yeah, to that point, and I think this was even linked in the first thread, have you ever heard the audio where he asks Kissinger, "You got a problem with that, Henry?" when Kissinger objects to notion of nuking the entirety of Vietnam and Cambodia to end the war? loving bone chilling stuff.
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"He had aspired to and achieved the ultimate luxury: an existence unmolested by the rumbling of a soul."
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While I don't doubt that Trump genuinely believes he can do no wrong, I'm sure he knows that other people think many things he does are wrong. You don't avoid prosecution for horrific crimes for decades without having an awareness that they are crimes and a willingness and ability to defend against being held accountable for them.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:32
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*Still votes for poo poo* - McCain.
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Overwined posted:How old is Ivanka in that shot where she's basically sitting IN her father's lap?! My god...just... Donnie saw a 13 yearold Paris Hilton when talking to her dad and almost said out loud "drat can I gently caress her? And when Ivanka turned 18 she begged him to promise not to gently caress anyone younger than her.
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PhazonLink posted:Donnie saw a 13 yearold Paris Hilton when talking to her dad and almost said out loud "drat can I gently caress her? If this is true, I must see that amazing source.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:37
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Child molestation/pedophilia is such a heinous accusation that normally it's never something I would seriously suspect anyone of without very compelling evidence. That said, the ratio between 'things Republicans are themselves guilty of doing' and 'things Republicans baselessly accuse others of doing' is basically 1:1 at this point. So what I'm saying is, it's wholly possible the GOP is running some sort of child sex dungeon under the Tortilla Coast or some other crazy poo poo.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Child molestation/pedophilia is such a heinous accusation that normally it's never something I would seriously suspect anyone of without very compelling evidence.
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At this point John McCanin should be insulted at every turn and in the worst possible ways about not being able to grab a position that a Russian Stooge can win. He is a vile, two-faced coward that should have no decency shown for him, after all he supports anything Trump does even after he called him a loser for being tortured by the Vietcong. We should just find him when he's having lunch and just have a bunch of people start screaming at him in Vietnamese and see if he goes all deer hunter.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:46
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I know I should be mad, but I find it even funnier we once though the FBI would be on his side.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:47
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Just in case there was even a single person at the FBI who didn't already loving hate him. Dick Trauma posted:The day that Donald Trump became precedent. I can't wait to steal this joke on facebook later when he gets convicted.
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Jul 10, 2017 23:51
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PhazonLink posted:Donnie saw a 13 yearold Paris Hilton when talking to her dad and almost said out loud "drat can I gently caress her? He said he normally wasn't into girls that young. But not in a "it's morally wrong" way, it was like he thought it was just a preference that he happened to not be into.
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empty whippet box posted:Just in case there was even a single person at the FBI who didn't already loving hate him. It just amazes me. He started with the FBI literally cheating to win him the election because they were republican stooges and has managed to piss them all off so much they've done a complete 180. They gave him the election on a silverplate, with a side of knish if you get my drift, and he has just repeatedly destroyed that goodwill over and over again.
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Child molestation/pedophilia is such a heinous accusation that normally it's never something I would seriously suspect anyone of without very compelling evidence. Air port bathrooms actually.
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Ague Proof posted:He said he normally wasn't into girls that young. But not in a "it's morally wrong" way, it was like he thought it was just a preference that he happened to not be into. lol "normally" Weren't there allegations that trump raped at least one 13 year old?
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Suck a dick McCain.
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TRUMP: “I've known Paris Hilton from the time she's 12.” STERN: “She's hot.” TRUMP: “Her parents are friends of mine and the first time I saw her she walked into a room and I said, ‘Who the hell is that?’” STERN: “Did you want to bang her?” TRUMP: “She's a very ... Well, at 12 I wasn't interested. I've never been into that. They've sort of always stuck around that 25 category.” … STERN: “Have you seen the video, the sex video?” TRUMP: “I have seen it.” STERN: “You did? What did you do? You went on the Internet?” TRUMP: “No, it was just on the Internet.” STERN: “How did you see that? What did you do?” TRUMP: “Melania showed it to me.” STERN: “What did you think of that? Did you see ...” TRUMP: “I think it's probably unfortunate and perhaps it made ... What is that noise?” STERN: “That's the tape.” TRUMP: “All right. I think it's probably unfortunate and it made Paris hotter in terms of the world because the world is so screwed up. I mean, you think a thing like that is going to destroy, like Hugh Grant who I love. I think he's great. He's a member of my golf club. You would have think he would have been destroyed by what happened to him and he's the biggest star now than he ever was, so you never know what happens but I think it probably made Paris even better. 
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RoboChrist 9000 posted:Child molestation/pedophilia is such a heinous accusation that normally it's never something I would seriously suspect anyone of without very compelling evidence. http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/dennis-hastert-wants-sex-abuse-accuser-return-hush-money-n709116 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Hastert It's, like, all projection
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empty whippet box posted:lol "normally" He flat out admitted to creeping on underage girls in the dressing room at pageants. MAGA
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Majumbo posted:You can impeach a president for anything you want, whether they committed a crime or not is irrelevant. Firstly there are a bunch of legal theories out there which indicate that self-pardons aren't something the president can do. But there is also a fun a legal theory floating out there that even if self-pardons were a thing impeachment could void a self-pardon because the maximum punishment of "disqualification to hold and enjoy any Office of Honor, Trust, or Profit" would include disqualification from any ongoing benefits of the office (that's the "enjoy" part) and the self-pardon would be best categorized as an ongoing benefit of office. It's one of those crazy hypothetical thought experiment things and ordinarily would be quite a long shot. BUT if you've gotten to the point where a president has self-pardoned; congress has impeached, convicted, and imposed the maximum penalty; AND people still want to prosecute them you are so far beyond ordinary that there is no way to know how it would go.
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