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Pureauthor posted:I think he means 'getting rid of the Occuria + whatever bad poo poo happened in the time gap has led to a significantly lower standard of living in Ivalice'. I mean, obviously. But its that "whatever bad poo poo" that's really responsible. The Occuria seemed kinda bad too. And sometimes you gotta break down to build up, Ivalice ain't great but post FFT you overthrow the church and maybe things get better? lol then there's FFT Advance which I just can't really fit into the same world as FFT and FFXII at all, may as well call them separate worlds IMO. What's the point? But FFTA does seem like the most positive of the 3, at least the world the kids start out in is pretty advanced and also fairly peaceful? Not sure if that takes place before or after though... the timeline is weird.
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Zaphod42 posted:And sometimes you gotta break down to build up, Ivalice ain't great but post FFT you overthrow the church and maybe things get better? The very premise of FFT is that Ramza is forgotten and lost to history and Delita isn't and in fact goes on to be remembered as a fantastic ruler while Oran is burned at the stake by the Church for trying to publish the truth. Like at some point the truth is published but you sure don't overthrow the church.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:39
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Zaphod42 posted:I mean, obviously. But its that "whatever bad poo poo" that's really responsible. The Occuria seemed kinda bad too. Pretty sure the FFTA Ivalice is in an imaginary world created by the book in the game and not actually the same world.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:40
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I need to play FFT. Sounds like it has an amazing story. Played it on the psp years ago but i stopped probably during a hard fight or something.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:41
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Andrast posted:Pretty sure the FFTA Ivalice is in an imaginary world created by the book in the game and not actually the same world. One of them is real. The book ivalice is imaginary but the kids are in the real FFT world to start with, just way way later. Or... way way before? I can't remember. The whole thing is silly. Sefal posted:I need to play FFT. Its basically Game of Thrones and I love how grounded it is compared to every other FF. Its really more Tactics Ogre than Final Fantasy, really.
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Jul 10, 2017 16:56
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It boggles my mind that, almost twenty years later, we still don't have a proper follow-up to FFT. Seriously, I don't even think there's any 'copycats' that aren't terrible. Is Tactics Ogre PSP the closest we'll ever get?
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Jul 10, 2017 17:26
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MMF Freeway posted:The tactics advanced games are okay Worse than FFT in every way though
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Jul 10, 2017 17:28
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MMF Freeway posted:The tactics advance games are okay It's why I used the qualifier 'proper'. Funnily enough, I played FFTA then FFT a couple years after. Never went back.
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Jul 10, 2017 17:33
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Sure, but I'd at least consider them copycats that aren't terrible. Well, I liked ta2 at least
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Jul 10, 2017 17:36
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Corvinus posted:Dual jobs diminish the value of base stats, but weapon animation speeds can still matter quite a bit in certain cases. This is great! I was just using a Word document to plan my parties but this is much better.
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Jul 10, 2017 17:38
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FFTA before you unlock cid = fun, pretty game-y having to deal with laws, not as good as FFT FFTA after you get cid = really funny going up against warriors and banning melee combat
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Jul 10, 2017 17:42
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I dunno if the Advance ones were worse than FFT in every way. I quite liked them, and for some reason grinding out abilities didn't feel as tedious as in FFT. IIRC though in either FFTA1 or 2 it's impossible to 100% the game without multiplayer which was kind of annoying
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Jul 10, 2017 17:45
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Corvinus posted:A second job can be picked after Belias and both are fully active. Learning a license on one board activates it on the other, if that job also contains that same license. A few people have said that the game feels a bit more difficult that IZJS, so it's possible that enemies were buffed to compensate for dual jobs, but that's not fully confirmed. That's weird, because I thought they said in interviews that they were going to make the difficulty easier to get into rather than the opposite. I'm cool with it either way, just surprised.
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Ventana posted:That's weird, because I thought they said in interviews that they were going to make the difficulty easier to get into rather than the opposite. I'm cool with it either way, just surprised. they said it would be easier but they didn't say whether that was deliberate downtuning of encounters (unlikely) or easier with the second job and quality of life features (more likely)
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Jul 10, 2017 17:54
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Also never underestimate the power of not being a dumb kid anymore when replaying a Final Fantasy game.
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Kelp Me! posted:I dunno if the Advance ones were worse than FFT in every way. I quite liked them, and for some reason grinding out abilities didn't feel as tedious as in FFT. FFTA is the only one with multiplayer, but I don't think there is anything exclusive to it.
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FFTA is an okay game with some weird ideas but the story is just completely lame compared to how cool FFT was.Thunder Bear posted:It boggles my mind that, almost twenty years later, we still don't have a proper follow-up to FFT. FFT was the follow-up. The Tactics Ogre series is where its at. There hasn't been anything as good since, no, but there hasn't been anything as good as FF6 or even FF10 since. Square is kinda meh these days. All flash and no substance. (FFXIV the mmo is great for an mmo, okay for an RPG, and its sad that its better than FFXIII or FFXV)
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Andrast posted:Pretty sure the FFTA Ivalice is in an imaginary world created by the book in the game and not actually the same world. Yeah, it's a child's perception/projection of FF12-era Ivalice. Somebody - Mewt I think - talks about how Final Fantasy are his favorite games during the intro parts of FFTA.
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Jul 10, 2017 18:26
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FFTA2 is the best Ivalice title.
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Andrast posted:Pretty sure the FFTA Ivalice is in an imaginary world created by the book in the game and not actually the same world. Right but wizard on a water slide posted:Yeah, it's a child's perception/projection of FF12-era Ivalice. Somebody - Mewt I think - talks about how Final Fantasy are his favorite games during the intro parts of FFTA. Yeah, I'm not exactly obsessed with the lore of FFTA but the way I read it: FF12 era Ivalice | | V FFT era Ivalice | | | V FFTA era St.Ivalice ---------> Fantasy projection of long historical and partially mythological FF12 era Ivalice I was referring to the FFTA era St. Ivalice, not the Fantasy Projection. Its so far in the future that its basically unrelated to FF12 and FFT, although I guess the idea of exploring a fictional world based on history is okay? And for that matter FFT and FFXII are pretty different. Almost seems silly to try to put them all into the same universe. The other reading is that FFTA era St.Ivalice came first, created the Fantasy Projection which then IS the real FF12 era Ivalice, which happened after. AFAIK there's no definitive answer there. I've never been a big fan of crazy multiverses. I don't like Zelda timeline theories, just let them each stand alone. Seems like a lot of work for little benefit. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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exquisite tea posted:Also never underestimate the power of not being a dumb kid anymore when replaying a Final Fantasy game. Seriously. Holy poo poo I was a dumb kid. These games are easy. FFTA is even easier, which is why it sucks. 
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FFTA is great because you can murder Montblanc.
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Death, kupo!
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I seem to vaguely recall there being an official timeline published by SE for the FFT/XII games but I can't be arsed to find it.
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exquisite tea posted:Also never underestimate the power of not being a dumb kid anymore when replaying a Final Fantasy game. When I first played FFX when it came out, I got pushed down into the canyon by the Chocobo Eater and was really sad that I failed the Chocobos 
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Meyers-Briggs Testicle posted:FFTA before you unlock cid = fun, pretty game-y having to deal with laws if weed is an inhaler for bullshit instead of asthma, and enemies are immune to both the short- and long-term effects of laws (yes i do want to spend five times the amount of gil i make in a single map to bail one guy out gently caress off game, and i love how boss enemies ignore redcarding), then i need whatever it is you're smoking to make you immune to the purestrain bullshit that is ffta Kelp Me! posted:I dunno if the Advance ones were worse than FFT in every way. I quite liked them, and for some reason grinding out abilities didn't feel as tedious as in FFT. this is pretty much right though: being able to gain AP for five abilities at once instead of JP on your main job class and then 10% of your allies' JP gain is a really positive reworking. i mean they both work well in their own way though, fft lets you really break everything by giving you access to every ability at the very beginning of the game. i wonder if you could do such a thing in a game balanced around equipment/AP. Fur20 fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jul 10, 2017 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toi9xFD61tQ x2/x4 speed is a toggle, you can switch between english and japanese VO, auto-saves are in the game.
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Tae posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toi9xFD61tQ We already knew that  Is... is this doritos pope? Is Easy Allies the new GameTrailers? I think I heard that was gonna be a thing and then I didn't ever hear anything from it. Weird name.
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Guess which game came a day early? So far Final Fantasy XII looks great on the upscale, although some textures aren't hi-res.
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Zaphod42 posted:We already knew that Geoff Keighley was never the voice for the GT reviews. Brandon Jones was and Easy Allies is him and the ex GT dudes.
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Zaggitz posted:Geoff Keighley was never the voice for the GT reviews. Brandon Jones was and Easy Allies is him and the ex GT dudes. Oh wow really? Somehow mixed that up all along. In retrospect, makes sense.
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FFTA2 and FFTA take place in separate worlds, right? FFTA is fake recreation Ivalice and FFTA2 is the actual Ivalice? Or something outrageous like that?
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DACK FAYDEN posted:FFTA2 and FFTA take place in separate worlds, right? FFTA is fake recreation Ivalice and FFTA2 is the actual Ivalice? Or something outrageous like that? I think it's meant to be the same thing since Luso also comes from the real world transported via magic book
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Zaphod42 posted:Right but Don't forget Vagrant Story somewhere between FFT and FFTA. Another game we'll never see a proper sequel to.
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Calaveron posted:I think it's meant to be the same thing since Luso also comes from the real world transported via magic book No but you see in the first FFTA the book literally transforms their world. It's... a little different.
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Jul 10, 2017 22:50
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The real Ivalice was the friends we made along the way.
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Gologle posted:The real Ivalice was the friends we made along the way. And how they all died when Marche destroyed the world.
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I'm coming up to endgame on FFX. I got everyone's celestial weapons unlocked, I'm running people through their second sphere grids (got Auron and Kihmari on Wakka's, Tidus on Auron's, Rikku's on Tidus and I swapped Lulu and Yuna). My hits are doing about 15k damage. I've been mostly grinding Omega Ruins, before I set up those insane weapons to farm AP with the overdrive->AP trick. At what point are the dark aeons passable? I haven't fought Omega Weapon but it doesn't look that hard, even though the HD version gave it a bunch more HP.
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