Trump Thread II: The man make a tweet

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Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

WhiskeyJuvenile posted:

https://twitter.com/jbarro/status/884806986872885248

CNN already has an op-ed claiming this is politics as usual and nothing illegal. Trump Jr releasing the e-mails plays into that narrative because "this wasn't even something he was trying to hide." And yes, he clearly was trying to hide this, but that's not Trump or Putin's game. These are not men who care about proving to you what is true. Trump and Putin are about discrediting and muddling the very notion of truth. Those loyal to Trump will rewrite and omit whatever facts needed. Politics-as-sports media like CNN will give voice to their lies out of a perverse sense of fairness.

I feel like the certainty that Pence doesn't go down with the ship is a little overconfident because we haven't really faced stuff like this. I doubt he is prosecuted, but the question of "Did he know?" has two answers: Either Pence is complicit or Pence is an idiot*.

The point is that nobody wants the specter of this poo poo on a debate stage in 2020 especially if Pence gives out any pardons. I think it's most likely that if Pence becomes President he doesn't run in 2020. Which is bad because I think Kasich can sell himself a healer and uniter while the Dems might end up three steps behind and trying to run the populist they should have run in 2016.

*I know the answer is both

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Timeless Appeal posted:

CNN already has an op-ed claiming this is politics as usual and nothing illegal. Trump Jr releasing the e-mails plays into that narrative because "this wasn't even something he was trying to hide." And yes, he clearly was trying to hide this, but that's not Trump or Putin's game. These are not men who care about proving to you what is true. Trump and Putin are about discrediting and muddling the very notion of truth. Those loyal to Trump will rewrite and omit whatever facts needed. Politics-as-sports media like CNN will give voice to their lies out of a perverse sense of fairness.

I feel like the certainty that Pence doesn't go down with the ship is a little overconfident because we haven't really faced stuff like this. I doubt he is prosecuted, but the question of "Did he know?" has two answers: Either Pence is complicit or Pence is an idiot*.

The point is that nobody wants the specter of this poo poo on a debate stage in 2020 especially if Pence gives out any pardons. I think it's most likely that if Pence becomes President he doesn't run in 2020. Which is bad because I think Kasich can sell himself a healer and uniter while the Dems might end up three steps behind and trying to run the populist they should have run in 2016.

*I know the answer is both

Did Cilazza write that oped

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:35

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Cacator posted:

At least the mafia has a code of silence.

Also the Mafia tends to ~~kill~~ have an unfortunate accident happen to the stupid ones that don't know how to not spill the beans. Unfortunately, all of the Trumps are morons and narcissists.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:36

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It feels like every time there is a big news story like this we all go "here's the proof!" and after a few days everything keeps going as usual

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:36

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

SHOAH NUFF posted:

It feels like every time there is a big news story like this we all go "here's the proof!" and after a few days everything keeps going as usual

Watergate took two years

He did't... put the deleted tapes on TV, but still. These things take time

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:37

Night10194: Feb 13, 2012; We'll start,
like many good things,
with a bear.

When you tell yourself 'nothing matters' remember that just before Mueller was appointed everyone was all 'He's going to get away unscathed with no special counsel after firing the FBI director' lol

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:38

ReidRansom: Oct 25, 2004

Timeless Appeal posted:

CNN already has an op-ed claiming this is politics as usual and nothing illegal. Trump Jr releasing the e-mails plays into that narrative because "this wasn't even something he was trying to hide." And yes, he clearly was trying to hide this, but that's not Trump or Putin's game.

It's really hard to push a narrative that he wasn't trying to hide it when everything up until they email chain was released was him very specifically trying to hide it.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:39

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SHOAH NUFF posted:

It feels like every time there is a big news story like this we all go "here's the proof!" and after a few days everything keeps going as usual

Hard to get the engine of justice running when the people in charge of prosecuting and convicting over Treason and Impeachment are on the criminal's team. All the Media can do is air it and circulate opinions.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:39

Charliegrs: Aug 10, 2009

What's the chances that Donald Jr released the emails at the advice of his lawyer?

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:39

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Timeless Appeal posted:

I feel like the certainty that Pence doesn't go down with the ship is a little overconfident because we haven't really faced stuff like this. I doubt he is prosecuted, but the question of "Did he know?" has two answers: Either Pence is complicit or Pence is an idiot*.

The point is that nobody wants the specter of this poo poo on a debate stage in 2020 especially if Pence gives out any pardons. I think it's most likely that if Pence becomes President he doesn't run in 2020. Which is bad because I think Kasich can sell himself a healer and uniter while the Dems might end up three steps behind and trying to run the populist they should have run in 2016.

*I know the answer is both

A scenario that sees Trump impeached means that the Dems took the House in 2018 and the Republicans want rid of Trump very, very badly. Pence is certain to come out of this utterly covered in Trump's poo poo, but the Republicans can't remove him as well, because then President Pelosi. No chance Pence runs in 2020, so the Dems will spend the entire time spreading Trump's poo poo around the entire party while the Republicans probably make up even crazier lies than we've yet seen to deflect.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:39

Timeless Appeal: May 28, 2006

exploded mummy posted:

Did Cilazza write that oped

My bad, it wasn't an op-ed but an article discussing an interview with Sabastian Gorka. Still the point of the article is provide the counter point of view that Junior has done nothing wrong.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:40

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

SHOAH NUFF posted:

It feels like every time there is a big news story like this we all go "here's the proof!" and after a few days everything keeps going as usual

You know the proof was tweeted out by the person who committed it right

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:40

aware of dog: Nov 14, 2016

Still no word from Greenwald on Jrs emails, but he did retweet this
https://twitter.com/theintercept/status/884805947499192320
Cool that you're paying for her defense after your sloppiness got her arrested, it's the least you could do

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:40

Jaxyon: Mar 7, 2016; I’m just saying I would like to see a man beat a woman in a cage. Just to be sure.

Charliegrs posted:

What's the chances that Donald Jr released the emails at the advice of his lawyer?

If he did he should probably seek new representation

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:40

Rosalie_A: Oct 30, 2011

Charliegrs posted:

What's the chances that Donald Jr released the emails at the advice of his lawyer?

Somewhere around negative ten billion percent, plus or minus five.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:40

Zil: Jun 4, 2011; Satanically Summoned Citrus

haveblue posted:

Please change the thread subtitle to "The son make a tweet" thanks

That or "the son also tweets"

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:41

eviltastic: Feb 8, 2004; Fan of Britches

Charliegrs posted:

What's the chances that Donald Jr released the emails at the advice of his lawyer?

Same as the chance his lawyer doesn't even remotely have any idea what he's doing, or is actively undermining his client in grand fashion.

I mean, in this administration that's not a negligible possibility, so.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:41

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Lid posted:

You know the proof was tweeted out by the person who committed it right

Yeah, it's embarrassing but next week Donnie Jr will still be attending important policy meetings and his dad will still be president. I know people are saying this will take time but I'm out of time man!!

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:41

Randbrick: Sep 28, 2002

Everything is amazing, but maybe the most amazing is to see all this jailhouse lawyering horseshit from well heeled masters of the universe types. This is almost sovereign citizen level willful self delusion. White shoe lawyers with clients who behave like nightmare clients at the public defenders office. Surreal.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:41

FuturePastNow: May 19, 2014

evilweasel posted:

HOW IN GODS NAME DID HIS LAWYERS LET HIM TWEET THAT

i mean i know daddy trump doesn't listen to anyone but baby don has to be used to people telling him what to do

There's got to be a pardon already signed and sealed for him. There has to be.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:42

Xibanya: Sep 17, 2012; Clever Betty

Remember three years ago when Comey's testimony was the craziest poo poo in the news?

Holy poo poo I picked a hell of a day to start reading the news again.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:42

Lote: Aug 5, 2001; Place your bets

Scene: Trump Tower June 7 4 pm

Veselnitskaya: Now when I say, "Let's talk about 'adoption'" and press down on your foot, you smile and nod.

Don Jr: No problem.

Veselnitskaya: Let's talk about "adoption".

Don Jr.: *stares blankly* This is the most insane nonsense I've ever heard.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:42

Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Timeless Appeal posted:

My bad, it wasn't an op-ed but an article discussing an interview with Sabastian Gorka. Still the point of the article is provide the counter point of view that Junior has done nothing wrong.

A Hungarian Nazi is a reliable source

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:42

St. Dogbert: Mar 17, 2011

SHOAH NUFF posted:

It feels like every time there is a big news story like this we all go "here's the proof!" and after a few days everything keeps going as usual

That's because there are just enough people out there who are completely brainwashed by Trump, and believe that every word that comes out of his camp is God's truth.

That's probably why Junior tweeted out an e-mail conversation that corroborates the NYT story while saying that it does the opposite - because enough people out there will believe it to make sure that nothing will happen.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:42

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Flip Yr Wig posted:

A scenario that sees Trump impeached means that the Dems took the House in 2018 and the Republicans want rid of Trump very, very badly. Pence is certain to come out of this utterly covered in Trump's poo poo, but the Republicans can't remove him as well, because then President Pelosi. No chance Pence runs in 2020, so the Dems will spend the entire time spreading Trump's poo poo around the entire party while the Republicans probably make up even crazier lies than we've yet seen to deflect.

Much crazier scenario: things start moving really loving fast, and Trump's popularity utterly craters and Pence is implicated beyond any doubt. The Republicans decide to impeach them both so they can get ahead of the Dems and put Ryan in the White House.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:43

i am the bird: Mar 2, 2005; I SUPPORT ALL THE PREDATORS

Trump Up 2: The Tweets

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:43

BlueberryCanary: Mar 18, 2016

SHOAH NUFF posted:

It feels like every time there is a big news story like this we all go "here's the proof!" and after a few days everything keeps going as usual

At this point, the only thing that can "keep everything from going on as usual" is Mueller bringing a criminal case against DJT, his family, or his inner circle of staff. That in itself takes time. Even in the most clear-cut and uncontroversial of cases, it takes months to happen.

And keep in mind, the Trump timeline only feels like time has accelerated.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:43

Evil Fluffy: Jul 13, 2009; Scholars are some of the most pompous and pedantic people I've ever had the joy of meeting.

Reverand maynard posted:

reminder that trump hasn't even actually hosed anything up yet. He's damaged our government but I mean he hasn't gotten anyone killed directly because of his incompetence during a crisis yet.

"Trump hasn't hosed anything up, he's just destroying the Federal government and the US's credibility on the world stage. :downs:

"

The only (also underfunded and understaffed) agency that has even a token ability to police the integrity of elections will likely no longer exist by 2018 at the rate Trump's going. I'm sure that'll be ok too.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:43

Randbrick: Sep 28, 2002

Hmm this disgraced Romanian neo nazi makes a good point...

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:44

Lemming: Apr 21, 2008

BlueberryCanary posted:

At this point, the only thing that can "keep everything from going on as usual" is Mueller bringing a criminal case against DJT, his family, or his inner circle of staff. That in itself takes time. Even in the most clear-cut and uncontroversial of cases, it takes months to happen.

And keep in mind, the Trump timeline only feels like time has accelerated.

Actually, it feels like time has stretched to infinity

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:44

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Trasson posted:

Somewhere around negative ten billion percent, plus or minus five.

To be fair, his lawyers probably said something and Jr, being Jr, did the thing he wasn't supposed because he doesn't understand complex words like evidence, proof or criminal.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:44

B B: Dec 1, 2005

https://twitter.com/ericgeller/status/884815267905318912

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:45

WampaLord: Jan 14, 2010

FuturePastNow posted:

There's got to be a pardon already signed and sealed for him. There has to be.

This is the only thing that makes sense to me.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:45

CPColin: Sep 9, 2003; Big ol' smile.

i am the bird posted:

Trump Up 2: The Tweets

Dang

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:46

FourLeaf: Dec 2, 2011

FuturePastNow posted:

There's got to be a pardon already signed and sealed for him. There has to be.

So in the end, nothing happens. Ugh.

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:46

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https://twitter.com/Craigipedia/status/884806272306040832

# ? Jul 11, 2017 17:46

B B: Dec 1, 2005

President Trump is being advised not to wade into the Don Jr. stuff:

CNN posted:

White House officials, lawyer are advising Trump not to comment on Don, Jr. reports
From CNN�s Jeremy Diamond and Jeff Zeleny:

President Donald Trump has been advised against tweeting about reports of his eldest son's meeting with a Russian lawyer during the campaign.

An administration official tells CNN that Trump's lawyer and White House officials are urging him not to weigh in. But it's anyone's guess whether he will follow that advice.

White House advisers and others close to the president have urged Trump in recent days not to tweet about the revelation or subsequent reports on the meeting that was first reported by the New York Times, a person familiar with the discussions told CNN.

In recent weeks, the White House has sought to distance itself from the Russia investigation, with limited success.

Trump has frequently taken to Twitter to push back on the latest allegations of collusion between Trump campaign associates and Russia, sometimes going against the advice of his top aides and lawyers.