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| The Big3 Tourney |
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67 | 22.41% |
| Will Lakers draft Ball |
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40 | 13.38% |
| Where will the Pauls go |
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54 | 18.06% |
| Will LeBron jump ship to the Spurs or ?? |
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41 | 13.71% |
| Will every team in the league just pivot towards tanking |
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97 | 32.44% |
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Ammanas posted:Embiid will get an extension this year though if they give Embiid the max they will have have like 30 million in cap space still.
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Jul 11, 2017 17:39
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Pretty sure the max for Embiid would make him like the 30th best paid player in the league
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Jul 11, 2017 17:41
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:Multi-year tanking plans are actually the most effective strategy Which teams would you say were successful with the strategy of multi-year tanking?
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Jul 11, 2017 17:41
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Panzeh posted:Which teams would you say were successful with the strategy of multi-year tanking? The warriors
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Jul 11, 2017 17:41
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Paul Zuvella posted:You know that if one of them hits, they can still like trade or sign free agents, right? Yes of course, but it's hard to do. Ask Chicago or Indy how easy it is to build a team around a single top-15 player when you are constantly drafting 15-25 and don't have much cap room. Milwaukee are going to run into the same problem over the next couple of years. That was the whole point behind Hinkie's thinking - go all in on the draft because that's the best way to get superstars.
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Jul 11, 2017 17:41
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Oh god. Embiid might be making Otto Porter money. Oh god the humanity
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Jul 11, 2017 17:41
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Metapod posted:The warriors All we needed was a 20 year head-start and a We Believe test run! Edit: In the 12 seasons between 1994-95 and 2005-06 the Warriors won 27 games on average. Then came two "good" seasons with 42 and 48 wins. The next four seasons they won 29 games on average. 2012-13 to 2016-17 they have won 61 games on average. Jack's Flow fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 17:45
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The idea that the 76ers are in any cap position is incredibly bizarre. They are going to have literally one of the most favorable cap positions next year. Almost 50 million in cap space before Embiid signs his offer sheet. They have 2 extremely highly touted rookies on their rookie scale contracts, Dario Saric, who is a legit role player on a rookie scale contract, and a player that is unanimously agreed upon to be a star if he is healthy. How on earth can anyone look at that and say "uh oh" tanglewood1420 posted:Yes of course, but it's hard to do. Ask Chicago or Indy how easy it is to build a team around a single top-15 player when you are constantly drafting 15-25 and don't have much cap room. Milwaukee are going to run into the same problem over the next couple of years. Here is a list of teams that have build title contenders in the past few years around a single top 15 player. The Golden State Warriors The Cleveland Cavaliers The Spurs The Houston Rockets The Oklahoma City Thunder The Bulls had a hard time building around their top 15 player because they have a dogshit owner and their front office is literally one of the worst in the league. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 17:46
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Jack's Flow posted:All we needed was a 20 year head-start and a We Believe test run! Exactly
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Jul 11, 2017 17:47
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Jack's Flow posted:All we needed was a 20 year head-start and a We Believe test run! Yeah I don't know if one team has ever had a contrast between being so likeable and so unlikeable in such a short time period
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Jul 11, 2017 17:50
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Paul Zuvella posted:Here is a list of teams that have build title contenders in the past few years around a single top 15 player. This is a pretty loose definition of "single"
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Jul 11, 2017 17:53
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Paul Zuvella posted:Here is a list of teams that have build title contenders in the past few years around a single top 15 player. What
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Jul 11, 2017 17:55
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Declan MacManus posted:Yeah I don't know if one team has ever had a contrast between being so likeable and so unlikeable in such a short time period I doubt it. They went from having a .350 winning percentage to winning 73 games in four years. There was no middle ground.
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Jul 11, 2017 17:57
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Panzeh posted:Which teams would you say were successful with the strategy of multi-year tanking? I would say Cleveland, OKC, Golden State, and San Antonio have all had recent success that was brought about in part by tanking. A better question would be which teams were successful without tanking. Looking at last years standings, pretty much every playoff team except Atlanta, Houston, Indy, Chicago and SAS tanked to get their best players.
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Jul 11, 2017 17:58
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Jack's Flow posted:I doubt it. They went from having a .350 winning percentage to winning 73 games in four years. There was no middle ground. The 47 + 51-win teams were pretty well-loved for being fun + breaking 2K, and had Mark Jackson to soak up all excess hate
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Jul 11, 2017 17:58
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That's true. I still hate him. Bruce Bowen in Wimbledon. Love the comments. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttvx-4O1a98
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Jul 11, 2017 17:59
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Metapod posted:What Who did the Thunder have last year other than Westbrook as a top 15 player? They completely turned it around and retooled and became a contender again this year. Until Durant came along, who on Golden state was also a top 15 player? Curry, obviously, but after that it gets hairy. They are obviously the most debatable inclusion on that list, I will give you that.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:03
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Paul Zuvella posted:Who did the Thunder have last year other than Westbrook as a top 15 player? They completely turned it around and retooled and became a contender again this year. By adding a top 15 player Paul Zuvella posted:Until Durant came along, who on Golden state was also a top 15 player? Curry, obviously, but after that it gets hairy. They are obviously the most debatable inclusion on that list, I will give you that. Draymond and Klay both made the All-NBA team in 2015-16
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Jul 11, 2017 18:04
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Jul 11, 2017 18:04
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I think we need to set a formal definition of "tanking" because personally that's not the term I associate with picking in the mid-late lottery
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Jul 11, 2017 18:07
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morestuff posted:By adding a top 15 player That's literally the point I am making. It is possible for a team with one top-15 player that they draft and grow naturally to then aquire another through trades or free agency. I also disagree that Klay or Draymond are top-15 players, but that's a different discussion.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:08
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Metapod posted:What Golden State's first title
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Jul 11, 2017 18:10
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Paul Zuvella posted:Who did the Thunder have last year other than Westbrook as a top 15 player? They completely turned it around and retooled and became a contender again this year. If you are just looking at the rosters right now not the rosters of the past few years I understand your point but if you are just looking at this year's rosters do you think Chris Paul is not a top 15 player? How did you come this list of teams? Steph and green
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Jul 11, 2017 18:10
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Draymond Green is a top 15 player in the league and has been for 3 years.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:13
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Dutchy posted:I think we need to set a formal definition of "tanking" because personally that's not the term I associate with picking in the mid-late lottery People seem to mix up "tanking" with "we don't care if we are good right now"
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Jul 11, 2017 18:17
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Metapod posted:If you are just looking at the rosters right now not the rosters of the past few years I understand your point but if you are just looking at this year's rosters do you think Chris Paul is not a top 15 player? How did you come this list of teams? No where in my post do I say I am only looking at current Rosters, in fact... Paul Zuvella posted:Here is a list of teams that have build title contenders in the past few years around a single top 15 player. It is a list of teams that go from not having 1 top 15 player to having 2 top 15 players and/or being a title contender regardless. Someone posted that the 76ers are hosed if just one of their players develops into a top-15 talent and I responded with this list. it's not rocket science, people. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 18:19
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WhyteRyce posted:"we don't care if we are good right now" Which is the only healthy mindset to have if you're not the Warriors. C'est la vie. Just keep someone on the board who can recognize when the Warriors get tired of winning.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:22
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WhyteRyce posted:People seem to mix up "tanking" with "we don't care if we are good right now" Isn't that just on the same spectrum though? I think the complaint about Philly wasn't what they were doing, but how hard they had the pedal down. All things considered, they didn't even really hurt their ticket sales all that much, it bounced back to pre-process levels last season. That team was going into the cellar for a couple years no matter what.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:24
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:I would say Cleveland, OKC, Golden State, and San Antonio have all had recent success that was brought about in part by tanking. I would say in counterpoint that tanking one year isn't what i'd consider multi-year tanking. GSW actually did try to compete, and cleveland did not get a tremendous haul from tanking.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:25
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Panzeh posted:I would say in counterpoint that tanking one year isn't what i'd consider multi-year tanking. GSW actually did try to compete, and cleveland did not get a tremendous haul from tanking. Cleveland got 3 number one picks in 4 years...
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Jul 11, 2017 18:26
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Paul Zuvella posted:Cleveland got 3 number one picks in 4 years... They got lebron james.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:30
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Lockback posted:Isn't that just on the same spectrum though? I think the complaint about Philly wasn't what they were doing, but how hard they had the pedal down. Hinkie probably would have been fine without the blunt honesty about bottoming out and the 1-2-3 punch of drafting Noel (injured for a year), Saric (overseas for several years) and Embiid (injured for two years). All those moves are fine in a vacuum but that middle stretch when the team kept punting did the most damage.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:31
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Panzeh posted:They got lebron james. so why exactly did you say they didn't get a tremendous haul?
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Jul 11, 2017 18:31
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Paul Zuvella posted:so why exactly did you say they didn't get a tremendous haul? One was Anthony Bennett and the other No. 1 pick they got from the Clippers in a fluke trade
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Jul 11, 2017 18:32
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Paul Zuvella posted:Here is a list of teams that have build title contenders in the past few years around a single top 15 player. GSW - Superstars Draymond Green and Kevin Durant, all-stars Klay Thompson, Andre Iguodala, okay player Steph Curry Cavs - Kevin Love was #3 in PER the season before he moved from MIN to CLE. Other people think Kyrie is a top 15 guy but I mostly disagree Spurs - Kawhi, Pau, Aldridge, 9, 11, 13 in PER the season before they're all on the Spurs. Previously winning the title with 4 first-ballot Hall Of Famers AFF don't read this -- Rockets - who considered the Rockets a contender and when? Thunder - Three future MVPs on the team when they made the finals, 2 in the most recent years Every single one of those examples is wrong, which doesn't lend credibility to your argument EvanTH fucked around with this message at 18:35 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 18:33
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Playoff teams last year GSW - Tanked for Curry, Barnes and Klay SAS - Didn't tank to get any current players HOU - Didn't tank to get any current players LAC - Tanked for Blake UTA - Tanked for Exum OKC - Tanked for Westbrook MEM - Tanked for Conley POR - Tanked for Leonard and CJ BOS - Tanked for Smart CLE - Tanked for Kyrie TOR - Tanked for Demar and Jonas WAS - Tanked for Wall ATL - Didn't tank to get any current players MIL - Tanked for Jabari IND - Didn't tank to get any current players CHI - Didn't tank to get any current players
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Jul 11, 2017 18:34
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https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/884820180743757824
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Jul 11, 2017 18:34
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Panzeh posted:I would say in counterpoint that tanking one year isn't what i'd consider multi-year tanking. GSW actually did try to compete, and cleveland did not get a tremendous haul from tanking.  And their best pick came from taking in a bad contract and sending out a decent-enough player (Good WS/48 the last couple years), which is a straight up Hinkie move.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:35
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Hashtag Banterzone posted:SAS - Didn't tank to get any current players You can probably consider their 20 year run to have started with the tank season to get Duncan, the greatest Power Forward in NBA History edit: also tanked for Durant and won 23 games in a season to pick up Harden EvanTH fucked around with this message at 18:40 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Jul 11, 2017 18:36
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I don't think one year of tanking is anything like what the sixers are doing.
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Jul 11, 2017 18:38
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