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rudatron posted:But can solidarity exist without empathy? I tend to take the view that empathy is something that has to be worked at and built over time, so I can get behind unified-action-precedes-class-consciousness and so on, but if empathy isn't built or attempted to be built, the coalition you're building will break at the critical moment. empathy is about, do i care about another person, do i feel their pain, do i find something likable in them, but that's insufficient, you need a bond that persist even when you don't care, a duty to even people you don't like, and anyway i don't want an emotional connection to every random fucker, that's exhausting
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rudatron posted:Every civil society requires a police force. Absent basic protection, nothing else works. Naturally, said force is going to be encultured with the ruling ideology and supportive of the ruling class, but that's just how societies & ideology work. Every civil society has a police force is not the same thing as every civil society requiring one. It's not like we really try the alternative in the modern world, on the other hand, organized police forces are largely a modern creation that came about in the 19th century to enforce some form of social cohesion (plus in the US there was the matter of police forces needing to be created to enforce the fugitive slave act in free states). It's perfectly imaginable that police forces are actually superfluous guard dogs who justify their continued existence with propaganda about their utility. It's also perfectly imaginable that a society that pushes far enough could have, at most, people who deal with deescalation in extreme cases at most.
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SKULL.GIF posted:I've barely kept up with this story, how come everyone is praising this cop and playing platitudes? I think it is because she got shot in the head op
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deadgoon posted:racists are not going to magically develop empathy for minorities, the inhabitants of the trump thread who lust for rural death are not going to magically develop empathy for rednecks, there is no path forwards but solidarity with people for whom you do not empathize poo poo like this makes me laugh cause only white people (or real tragic poc I guess) could possibly say and think, "find middle ground with people who think you personally are subhuman because of your skin color. It's the only reasonable way forward!!!"
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:poo poo like this makes me laugh cause only white people (or real tragic poc I guess) could possibly say and think, "find middle ground with people who think you personally are subhuman because of your skin color. It's the only reasonable way forward!!!" its not about middle ground its about jesus christ our lord and savior
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Jul 12, 2017 13:28
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also if u voted for obama u already found middle ground with a bunch of people who voted for turmp, good job
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deadgoon posted:also if u voted for obama u already found middle ground with a bunch of people who voted for turmp, good job being black and voting for the first black president was an awesome experience no white person could ever understand or besmirch no matter how much obama went on to let me down
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I will stop lusting for redneck death when their politics aren't trying to kill me
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if supported obama, or hillary, or bernie, u were already in political coalition with white racists
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:I will stop lusting for redneck death when their politics aren't trying to kill me
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Oh no I guess I'm racist now Also you could just talk about the #resiatence chodes that erase any minorities that disagree with them
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im not accusing anyone of being racist im just pointing out that even a big chunk of bernie supporters are hella racist yet u managed to find a common goal remember that poll from last year that showed that like 20% of bernie supporters would say some poo poo like "in general black people are less intelligent than white people"
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Jul 12, 2017 14:11
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people continue to confuse tactics with ideology you need pro-life people to vote for your boy, but you can do that without giving ground on abortion, you can have racists vote for your guy or gal and not offer racist policies.
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Jul 12, 2017 14:18
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Pretty sure you're misremembering that poll #resistance member deadgoon
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cr90W8UVYAAMCMy.jpg hmm ok that particular question was more like 15%
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Dreylad posted:people continue to confuse tactics with ideology yeah, you can make common cause with racists without actually making the racism the common cause The Democratic Party does this kind of thing now, since it is now a pro-LGBT party but yet captures almost all the votes of black Americans, and afaik a majority of them still hold strong anti-gay views (has this changed in the last year or so?)
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Zoran posted:The Democratic Party does this kind of thing now, since it is now a pro-LGBT party but yet captures almost all the votes of black Americans, and afaik a majority of them still hold strong anti-gay views (has this changed in the last year or so?) I looked at Pew poll recently and I think a slim majority of african-americans are fine with gay marriage, although that doesn't necessarily speak to general acceptance of LGBQT either http://www.pewforum.org/fact-sheet/changing-attitudes-on-gay-marriage/ yeah, it's starting to climb. 44% for African american protestants, 51% of African Americans in general. So as always the most objectionable position on a social issue that people hold doesn't necessarily impact their voting
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:poo poo like this makes me laugh cause only white people (or real tragic poc I guess) could possibly say and think, "find middle ground with people who think you personally are subhuman because of your skin color. It's the only reasonable way forward!!!"
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the vast majority of people are not anti-social enough to hold the kind of malicious racism that you're describing here, and i can't see this belief you have of vast swathes of white america being essentially literal nazis, extermination plans and all, as anything but a fever dream. the way racism tends to manifest today is in the form of alienation and paranoia, so arguably the process of working towards a common goal would to more to solve that issue then...whatever other alternative you have for it
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:I will stop lusting for redneck death when their politics aren't trying to kill me
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rudatron posted:did you consider that the spite rednecks hold for 'coastal elites' is based on exactly this sentiment, but the other way around? I already know it is. I don't think I should go hungry because these people get sneered at. I support policies that I think will help them, even while I privately think most of them can gently caress off. Everyone who is concerned about "free loaders" and parasites sucking dry the pool they get their disability checks from can kiss my rear end.
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:I will stop lusting for redneck death when their politics aren't trying to kill me don't do this Your average redneck is too busy working/dying of heart problems to try to kill you. The real fuckers are middle and upper class conservatives who spend their lives fantasizing about new ways to kill poors.
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All the worst Republicans (McConnell, Karl Rove, Gingrich, Paul Ryan) aren't rednecks, they're suburban nerds.
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I don't literally savor rural death. My actual opinion on Trump voters getting killed by his policies is well, it certainly wasn't my first choice to solve rural decay. And yeah I know it's the same ivory tower fucks in both parties that are the problem. It's easy to get frustrated with people who let themselves get duped into fueling the problem. E: who has two thumbs and convinced themselves a piece of poo poo was going to look out for them? Right here
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Also, some rednecks are awesome: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/redneck-revolt-guns-anti-racism-fascism-far-left
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Grondoth posted:'“This is the s–t we face every day,” a police source griped.' One of my favorite dichotomies is that police are both the brave stalwart spartan defenders that keep the barely functioning threads of society in one piece and also special snowflakes that have complete meltdowns if someone doesn't worship them
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haha police goons have to be in TFR
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Martha Stewart Undying posted:being black and voting for the first black president was an awesome experience no white person could ever understand or besmirch no matter how much obama went on to let me down  Well now that you've got that out of your system can we maybe vote for good presidents in the future?
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deadgoon posted:empathy is about, do i care about another person, do i feel their pain, do i find something likable in them, but that's insufficient, you need a bond that persist even when you don't care, a duty to even people you don't like, and anyway i don't want an emotional connection to every random fucker, that's exhausting Sympathy is about feeling compassion, regardless if you have had similar experiences or understanding their feelings. You do not have to empathise to sympathise, but it helps. It's also easier to have general empathy rather than empathise specifically with one person every time. Each person is unique but generally people are all similar. ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 16:08 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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Shear Modulus posted:the thing is that voters end up deciding who to vote for on social issues because very rarely do the two parties seriously diverge on economic issues i dont think there are racial animes
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liberals are welcome to dehumanize themselves and join the Bernard Brotherhood
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i read the part where 89k is the median for a college graduate and almost poo poo myself what the gently caress
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I like how the left is hung up on single payer when even a child knows that tort reform is the only way to bring down healthcare costs
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Serf posted:i read the part where 89k is the median for a college graduate and almost poo poo myself it's probably one of those medians that's driven up by outliers who got a job in daddies company
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:
Was there even an objectively good candidate in the 2008 primaries besides Obama (who turned out to be a sockpuppet for the worst impulses of democratic policy) WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I like how the left is hung up on single payer when even a child knows that tort reform is the only way to bring down healthcare costs Tort reform is a center right chimera that fails to account for the sheer amount of things that countries with public healthcare actually have going on at once, including usually vastly cheaper tuitions and price controls (which even little Canada somehow gets away with and that's with the bulk of the system being provincial, which means anyone whining about US states being too small is an idiot). It's a thing but it's not the one magic thing, by far. Agnosticnixie has issued a correction as of 16:09 on Jul 12, 2017 |
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