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Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana
Goo Gone is life

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Kortel
Jan 7, 2008

Nothing to see here.
Any recommendations for a color calibrator? Starting to realize just how bad the default settings for a cintiq is.

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

I gave up trying to calibrate my 12WX and just drew then went to the main monitor to do color corrections when I was mostly done. :v:

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away
Looking, it seems the Monoprice 22" refurbish might be best bet for somewhat budget pen display, yes? From their website https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12077 It is 300 +130USD to ship, though, which feels a bit steep. Is there some best place to purchase such a tablet for shipping to Australia?

It also seems I would have to buy a monitor arm and screen protector. I am not too sure on this parts though. Ergotron LX and HP Single Monitor Arm seem to be the same product? For screen protector where do I look and why?

This is really stressful.

Edit: The refurbish is the old version and has issues like cord coming from bottom and being useless and uses battery pen. Oops. Maybe a Huion is better.

Sillybones fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Jul 12, 2017

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Kortel posted:

Any recommendations for a color calibrator? Starting to realize just how bad the default settings for a cintiq is.

The i1 Display Pro.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana
Will a calibrator even work with the gamut capabilities of the Cintiq?

gmc9987
Jul 25, 2007
I just use the CIntiq as my drawing monitor and have Photoshop or Illustrator's preview panel on my main monitor, I found the color calibration capabilities of my cintiq 13HD to be pretty limited.

Wowporn
May 31, 2012

HarumphHarumphHarumph
I used my spyder5 pro to calibrate my knockoff cintiq and it wasn't perfect but it did help a little

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses

Neon Noodle posted:

Will a calibrator even work with the gamut capabilities of the Cintiq?

Yes. You have to tell it what gamut you want to hit (older cintiqs sRGB, newer ones Adobe RGB) and what white point, etc. but it will get it dialed in as best as it can.

Calibrating is about making sure your brightness/contrast/RGB sliders are set correctly for reference luminances and white/black points, then generating an ICC profile so the system can translate colors as best as it can.

Some things are better than other but a calibrator won't suddenly make the display look more colorful, it'll just make it look more "correct" within its limitations.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana
Gotcha. Thanks!

bitmap
Aug 8, 2006

official wacom cintiq pro 16 review after three months of 9 hour daily professional use: *wiggles hand, held horizontally* ehhhh

Synthbuttrange
May 6, 2007

There was basically no way to get a 12wx to look right no matter how much calibration I did

vesper
Jun 24, 2006

Ooooh, shiiiiiiny.
My trusty old intuos has been behaving oddly recently and I suspect I'm going to soon find myself having to replace it. I'm not really keen to shell out the money for a current cintiq at the moment after some unexpected vet expenses recently, but I can easily pick up an old 21ux for cheap - anyone still using one of those older ones and is it something you'd say was worth it? I've seen some decent reviews/usage out of both the newer huion and monoprice ones, so I'm essentially at the point of deciding between the three of those.

kefkafloyd
Jun 8, 2006

What really knocked me out
Was her cheap sunglasses
I use the DTK version of the 21 (uses Intuos4 pens) and it works fine, albeit the color is not as good as the latest and greatest. I got it for cheap and have no intention of replacing it until it dies. If it's a DTZ (intuos3 pens) I would skip it.

Neon Noodle
Nov 11, 2016

there's nothing wrong here in montana

kefkafloyd posted:

I use the DTK version of the 21 (uses Intuos4 pens) and it works fine, albeit the color is not as good as the latest and greatest. I got it for cheap and have no intention of replacing it until it dies. If it's a DTZ (intuos3 pens) I would skip it.

This verbatim

Electricb7
Sep 7, 2012

>Hand over the jewels lady

vesper posted:

My trusty old intuos has been behaving oddly recently and I suspect I'm going to soon find myself having to replace it. I'm not really keen to shell out the money for a current cintiq at the moment after some unexpected vet expenses recently, but I can easily pick up an old 21ux for cheap - anyone still using one of those older ones and is it something you'd say was worth it? I've seen some decent reviews/usage out of both the newer huion and monoprice ones, so I'm essentially at the point of deciding between the three of those.

21ux is a heavy as hell tombstone that you can draw on. I recommend purchasing a new intous if cintiqs are too expensive. 21ux has terrible resolution and gives you incorrect colors.
I did my research before I started to save properly for a new cintiq and the Huion GT-220 v2 is probably your only good alternative if you want an actual display tablet.

Your best bet is Huion GT-220 v2 or a new Intous.
For the price of the Huion GT-220 v2 you can get a new intous and good monitor though.

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

Just picked up the new Bamboo Ink to replace a flaky Surface Pro 4 pen. It's lighter, more ergonomic, and doesn't loving work. Pairs, top button works, but pen tip doesn't register at all. Wacom's support site is garbage and provides absolutely no troubleshooting steps whatsoever. I bought this pen because I thought Wacom had a decent reputation for quality. Is that not the case anymore?

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
i don't think their pens are compatible with non-wacom tablets

GameCube
Nov 21, 2006

Google "Bamboo Ink" and get back to me.

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
Huh, fair enough. Wacom has gotten a bit worse lately but it should still work (although their customer support has always been awful). If the nib isn't registering at all it's gonna be a driver issue though most likely; see if you can disable the drivers for the default pen? There'll often be a conflict if they're both running at once, although it can be a pain in the rear end to remove tablet drivers.

also I noticed this:

quote:

The stylus is preset for the Wacom AES protocol. If you’re using a device with Microsoft Pen Protocol (MPP), simply press and hold both side buttons for two seconds for switching.

which I'm guessing you already knew about, but just in case.

Doctor_Fruitbat
Jun 2, 2013


If you get it working, I'd be interested to know how it performs in terms of pressure sensitivity. I find the Surface Pen needs you to press a bit too hard for really light strokes, but the Bamboo Ink has much better sensitivity.

Typical
Mar 19, 2007

Hello thread. could I have you guy's feed back on sort of a dumb question. I currently have a Cintiq 22HD, and i'm on a windows 7 machine I built a few years ago. It runs mostly fine except for the occasional line jaggy'ness that pops up every one and a while when im trying to ink. I can fix this by restarting photoshop.

I want to build a new computer and upgrade to windows 10. are there any major issues with Cintiq lag or line jaggies or drivers that i should be aware of? I do fairly serious photoshop/tv paint animation design work on this machine and I sort of need to to run with out any major issues.

windex
Aug 2, 2006

One thing living in Japan does is cement the fact that ignoring the opinions of others is a perfectly valid life strategy.

Typical posted:

Hello thread. could I have you guy's feed back on sort of a dumb question. I currently have a Cintiq 22HD, and i'm on a windows 7 machine I built a few years ago. It runs mostly fine except for the occasional line jaggy'ness that pops up every one and a while when im trying to ink. I can fix this by restarting photoshop.

I want to build a new computer and upgrade to windows 10. are there any major issues with Cintiq lag or line jaggies or drivers that i should be aware of? I do fairly serious photoshop/tv paint animation design work on this machine and I sort of need to to run with out any major issues.

I used Windows 10 with a 28 QHD touch for over a year and while the touch input did occasionally jitter the pen never did.

Typical
Mar 19, 2007

Cool, thank you so much!

Jam Handy
Mar 31, 2013

I recently retired my 09 MacBook and can no longer use my old Monoprice workhorse with my new computer, so I'm thinking of upgrading to something a little more comfortable for painting.

Other than Bluetooth connectivity, is there much of a difference between a (medium) Intuos 5 and Intuos Pro? I can find the 5 on eBay for much cheaper and that's appealing, but I worry that Wacom might drop support for their older tablets. Does anyone know how long I'd have until the 5 is no longer supported?

Thanks!

Devorum
Jul 30, 2005

I'm considering getting a digital art tool of some kind for the first time. What's a good buy for a digital art beginner? I've really only drawn with pencil and paper in the past, and would typically be using it to draw fantasy maps and other nerd stuff.

I want to make the switch because it's getting to be a hassle to get my drawings into an electronic format.

Devorum fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Oct 7, 2017

Koramei
Nov 11, 2011

I have three regrets
The first is to be born in Joseon.
For budget options, depending on how sturdy you need it to be, the Huion H610 Pro is a better tablet but can be a bit more finicky (I was having issues with the USB cord on mine for a while, although now I have it set in a place where it never moves it's been fine), whereas the cheaper Wacom options like this one are gonna be a bit more portable and easier to set up (plus Wacom stuff like pens that don't need recharging) but not as good for drawing functionality (although still probably more than fine for drawing maps and stuff).

Keep in mind that, whatever tablet you go with, it's gonna feel weird for a while until you get used to drawing on it, so don't get discouraged by that.

gmc9987
Jul 25, 2007
I used a sub-$100 bottom-of-the-line Wacom as a professional freelancer for 2 years, it wasn't ideal but it was fine until I had enough money to upgrade. If you can afford an $80 Wacom, it will definitely work well enough until you either decide to upgrade to a slightly larger size or stop drawing digitally entirely, in which case you are only out $80.

Dogwood Fleet
Sep 14, 2013

Koramei posted:

For budget options, depending on how sturdy you need it to be, the Huion H610 Pro is a better tablet but can be a bit more finicky (I was having issues with the USB cord on mine for a while, although now I have it set in a place where it never moves it's been fine), whereas the cheaper Wacom options like this one are gonna be a bit more portable and easier to set up (plus Wacom stuff like pens that don't need recharging) but not as good for drawing functionality (although still probably more than fine for drawing maps and stuff).

Keep in mind that, whatever tablet you go with, it's gonna feel weird for a while until you get used to drawing on it, so don't get discouraged by that.

I eventually had to superglue mine to keep it in place. I'd still pick it over a similarly priced Wacom, but that's mostly because I need space when I draw.

jbone
Jan 25, 2004

bigeaux, it's showtime, chah

Jam Handy posted:

I recently retired my 09 MacBook and can no longer use my old Monoprice workhorse with my new computer, so I'm thinking of upgrading to something a little more comfortable for painting.

Other than Bluetooth connectivity, is there much of a difference between a (medium) Intuos 5 and Intuos Pro? I can find the 5 on eBay for much cheaper and that's appealing, but I worry that Wacom might drop support for their older tablets. Does anyone know how long I'd have until the 5 is no longer supported?

Thanks!

The Intuos5 is the original Intuos Pro, they rebranded it after a few months.

There's a 2017 Intuos Pro, and it's super nice. But if you can find the pre-17 Pro at a good price, it's still a drat good device.

Wacom generally maintains support for around 3 product generations. I believe they still support the Intuos4, so a 5/original Pro should be supported for several more years.

Devorum
Jul 30, 2005

Thanks! I picked up the Wacom Comic from Amazon...but it's going to take a while to get here. Unfortunately, my options are pretty limited (I'm deployed to Saudi Arabia by my company)...and all the stores around here have are the more expensive Intuos Pro and Cintiq products.

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse
Dell now has the canvas listed on their site for shipping starting tomorrow.

Electricb7
Sep 7, 2012

>Hand over the jewels lady

Listerine posted:

Dell now has the canvas listed on their site for shipping starting tomorrow.

Oh poo poo.
That price isn't as bad as I though either. Same as a Cintiq.

Listerine
Jan 5, 2005

Exquisite Corpse

Electricb7 posted:

Oh poo poo.
That price isn't as bad as I though either. Same as a Cintiq.

Currently only available through Dell, but will be making it to other distributors (like Amazon, I assume) in first quarter 2018.

TVGM
Mar 17, 2005

"It is not moral, it is not acceptable, and it is not sustainable that the top one-tenth of 1 percent now owns almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent"

Yam Slacker
In playing with the new Photoshop release, I saw a new option for "Get more brushes". It looks like Kyle Webster has joined Adobe and his brush packs have been made free for Adobe CC.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey... :D
I love the Microsoft Surface pro series but this is my second one to break down and stop working. First I had the pro 2 for two years, then the pro 3 for 1.5 years.

Am I just unlucky?

Mildly curious, because the surface pro artist guy has been reviewing a lot of competitors. I'm not sure if I will stay with Microsoft or switch to another brand.

cloudy
Jul 3, 2007

Alive to the universe; dead to the world.

the_lion posted:

I love the Microsoft Surface pro series but this is my second one to break down and stop working. First I had the pro 2 for two years, then the pro 3 for 1.5 years.

Am I just unlucky?

Mildly curious, because the surface pro artist guy has been reviewing a lot of competitors. I'm not sure if I will stay with Microsoft or switch to another brand.

https://www.consumerreports.org/laptop-computers/microsoft-surface-laptops-and-tablets-not-recommended-by-consumer-reports/

Probably slightly unlucky, but not as unlucky as you might imagine.

I've had my surface pro for 3 years now. I really want their reliability to improve by the time I need a new one because I love their concept so much.

the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey... :D

cloudy posted:

https://www.consumerreports.org/laptop-computers/microsoft-surface-laptops-and-tablets-not-recommended-by-consumer-reports/

Probably slightly unlucky, but not as unlucky as you might imagine.

I've had my surface pro for 3 years now. I really want their reliability to improve by the time I need a new one because I love their concept so much.

Well, that link certainly puts things in perspective. Thanks!

cloudy
Jul 3, 2007

Alive to the universe; dead to the world.
No problem! Do you still have the link to these reviews you could post?:

the_lion posted:

Mildly curious, because the surface pro artist guy has been reviewing a lot of competitors.

I'm curious to see good reviews done by artists.

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the_lion
Jun 8, 2010

On the hunt for prey... :D

cloudy posted:

No problem! Do you still have the link to these reviews you could post?:


I'm curious to see good reviews done by artists.

Sure, you can see those here : http://surfaceproartist.com/reviews-1/

Frenden was my go to guy for reviews, but he doesn't post much any more.

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