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padijun posted:
venezuela budgeted for $60/bbl which was extremely reasonable
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The last episode of the Dollop made me incredibly mad about capitalism.
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yoober posted:venezuela budgeted for $60/bbl which was extremely reasonable well let me tell you about a state called alaska who went with $90 bucks a barrel
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Moist von Lipwig posted:Hell, Marx envisioned Communism as an eventual evolution out of capitalism once the means of production had become so efficient that humans weren't needed to operate them. People imagine it as a bunch of factory workers siezing cotton mills but that's not what Marx had in mind. He knew technological advances would eventually make it unnecessary for most people to work. too bad automation is just gonna make it unnecessary for the working class to continue living
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Sandweed posted:The last episode of the Dollop made me incredibly mad about capitalism. You weren't already incredibly mad about capitalism after the Uber episode?
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If you wanna get depressed, listen to the latest Left Coast.
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ohrwurm posted:You weren't already incredibly mad about capitalism after the Uber episode? More mad.
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lol if you aren't incredibly mad about capitalism at all times
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 The giant robot dragon worm is the exploiters of the proletariat.
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padijun posted:well let me tell you about a state called alaska who went with $90 bucks a barrel If you denounce the Bolivarian Revolution and not the State of Alaska, congratulations, you're a racist
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Serf posted:too bad automation is just gonna make it unnecessary for the working class to continue living In the future there are 10,000 capitalists. They own every factory in existence, which is actually pretty easy since the lowered population means smaller demands on productions runs. Everything is optimized and automated, but iron still rusts and bolts still break. Enter Dave... The Last of the Proletariat.
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PayingForTheView posted:They never needed an excuse to gut programs, they're going to try to get rid of them as they've been doing regardless if there is a ubi or not. of course it's not the magic bullet, but pushing for it along with decomodification of human rights (such as healthcare, housing, food, etc) seems good. I'd prefer full socialism but whatever moves the needle towards that works for me atm. obviously the libertarian types need no excuse but the problem is UBI can give the non-libertarian and nominal liberal side a reason to agree with the libertarians. UBI is a great concept but it's one of the few things we actually should be fairly pragmatic and careful on because there's probably a lot that needs to come first.
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The Trumps are the dumbest motherfuckers on the whole planet https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/884789839522140166
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X-Ray Pecs posted:The Trumps are the dumbest motherfuckers on the whole planet https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/884798748152483840 This guy is having a meltdown because he can't wrap his brain around how dumb Trump Jr is. What a day.
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PayingForTheView posted:I thought the critism of the existence of ubi making prices for rent and things much higher was stupid since that's the same argument for not upping the minimum wage to a living one (which they endorse). Neither of these things are wrong. Minimum wage increases without worker protections, and UBI without rent control will absolutely cause issues. When the folks on chapo endorse these things, you have to keep in mind their other stated positions. Thinking about it, I don't think they've even mentioned the living wage thing beyond "Hillary not being able to support it in simple terms is bad campaigning and uninspiring". I'd love an episode about it, because there are definitely issues with the minimum wage movement that should be addressed. Famethrowa fucked around with this message at 17:22 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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It's symptomatic of how dead socialism is that all the left can do is propose these stopgap measures to curb the worst of capitalism, and half of them are probably bad for the working class long term. It's a poison that comes from working with the right over a long time, and internalizing their worldview. There are practically no actual socialist political parties in the world.
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You can cooperate with capitalism and lose your soul, or you can refuse, and be crushed. The only way forward is international solidarity, workers organizing and striking across borders and ethnic/religious/cultural lines. Otherwise capitalism will continue to divide and isolate workers, the way it has successfully done
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Jul 11, 2017 17:42
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When/if we have full automation of manual work, unless the working class worldwide has seized power, the rich absolutely will murder hundreds of millions of people rather than financially support them
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GalacticAcid posted:If you denounce the Bolivarian Revolution and not the State of Alaska, congratulations, you're a racist never claimed I wasn't
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Will saying rother.
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Saerdna posted:It's symptomatic of how dead socialism is that all the left can do is propose these stopgap measures to curb the worst of capitalism, and half of them are probably bad for the working class long term. It's a poison that comes from working with the right over a long time, and internalizing their worldview. There are practically no actual socialist political parties in the world. Don't conflate the lovely political situation in the US with the rest of the world, plenty of places have active socialist or left wing parties that are doing well or are actually in government. Electoral politics in the US is just totally hosed because of how much money is sloshing around in it, which is why Americans need to be looking at direct action and soon, imo.
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Dirt posted:https://twitter.com/JYSexton/status/884798748152483840 Oh man I needed that laugh this morning, poor guy  too bad nothing loving matters
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Die Sexmonster! posted:too bad nothing loving matters for real i am feeling insanely hypernormalized right now
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MikeCrotch posted:Don't conflate the lovely political situation in the US with the rest of the world, plenty of places have active socialist or left wing parties that are doing well or are actually in government. Electoral politics in the US is just totally hosed because of how much money is sloshing around in it, which is why Americans need to be looking at direct action and soon, imo. There was this portuguese centre-right paper that last sunday had a piece on how "For some reason ,we don't have a populist uprising! And analysts are somehow baffled by this!" despite ignoring the part where we have a coalition between the socialist party, the communist party and a leftist-libertarian party for quite a few years. Well that and 50 years of Salazar combined with an aging population that can recall how it was like during so. It makes American Centrist coverage look at least Aware that people Do Like Socialism.
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Jul 12, 2017 17:49
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lmao at that lawnmowing question
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razorscooter posted:lmao at that lawnmowing question Maybe the guy just loved driving around on a riding lawnmower. How come nobody thought of that? Huh?  Do they have big enough gas tanks to run for five hours straight?
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Biodome posted:Will saying rother. lol forever. Idunno if he's doing it on purpose at this point or what.
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razorscooter posted:lmao at that lawnmowing question The entire advice column thing and Amber's growing disbelief and anger that she doesn't get questions like those was gold. I also love how Will is a connoisseur of advice columns and had already all these question categories. I mean he's right, there's the slowly escalating question, the "just get a divorce already", the one where the person asking wants to hear a certain reply.
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Riding a lawnmower is very relaxing
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MikeCrotch posted:Don't conflate the lovely political situation in the US with the rest of the world, plenty of places have active socialist or left wing parties that are doing well or are actually in government. Electoral politics in the US is just totally hosed because of how much money is sloshing around in it, which is why Americans need to be looking at direct action and soon, imo. Saying that, many of those nominally socialist, centre-left or left wing parties are soft social democrats or eurocommunists that became heavily compromised by the neoliberal concensus throughout the 90s and 00s. The problem with being in power is that you become increasingly willing to surrender your principles to remain in power.
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prefect posted:Maybe the guy just loved driving around on a riding lawnmower. How come nobody thought of that? Huh? Yeah that question just reminded me of my dad, who once drove a mower across traffic to pick up a part for it.
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Pharmaskittle posted:Riding a lawnmower is very relaxing Yeah riding mowers are fun but five hours?
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the image of the guy just driving the mower for hours in a small lazy circle around his increasingly irate wife is hilarious.
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That scene in breaking bad where Jesse rides a go kart alone, but with a lawn mower
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https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/885240249655468032 My dumb state is 100% dumb enough to vote this guy in too. lol
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"We are all doomed to eternal damnation because Game of Thrones is real or something" says everyone's favorite Tradcath Matthew Walther! Reviews are in, it's a good one: https://twitter.com/NuclearTakes/status/885173133564686336
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Dirt posted:https://twitter.com/KidRock/status/885240249655468032 I am from Clarkston, where he lives, and the only people there that I know for sure wouldn't vote for him are my parents
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