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Forever_Peace posted:Um you forgot Austin Hooper. Rude. I'm in 4 leagues where I'll be drafting TEs, and I'm betting I wind up with Polish Hat or Hooper in 2 of them.
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Brate seems like a much safer pick than Howard this year. Brate has evidence of being decent in the pros already, and already knows the playbook. I am not sure why most ADP things have him so low.
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In my current year-1-dynasty slow draft now entering round 8: my WR: Amari Cooper DeAndre Hopkins Sammy Watkins Allen Robinson my RB: Christian McCaffrey I really wanted more RBs but how am I supposed to leave ARob sitting there at #85. We only start 1 RB (two RB/WR/TE flex spots) so if I grab Dalvin Cook, am I going to be without a productive RB between him and CMC for the first 6 weeks? I could always scoop some productive old guy like Frank Gore or something later down the line.
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Jul 13, 2017 15:49
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*whispers* The Packers have never had a TE1 with Jordy Nelson playing a full season
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Spoeank posted:*whispers* Well now that's a fun fact...
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Pancakes by Mail posted:In my current year-1-dynasty slow draft now entering round 8: If those were your first four picks at receiver, you loving murdered it. Who are your other two picks?
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Jul 13, 2017 16:36
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Spoeank posted:*whispers*
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Tiptoes posted:Jermichael Finley in 2011. TE5 in standard, TE9 in PPR. Jordy was listed as only starting 9 games that year which I didn't have as full time, despite the target count Edit PFFs snap counts don't go back that far so i may just be a dumb fat baby who can be ignored. Spoeank fucked around with this message at 16:41 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Jul 13, 2017 16:39
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I love how TE talk is always happening.
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Jul 13, 2017 16:53
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Spoeank posted:*whispers* It's a lost cause debating it, there's always a narrative to suggest he'll be awesome (Jared Cook getting the same treatment the past couple years too). Bennett was supposed to be a high end TE1 if Gronk missed time, and a mid TE1 if Gronk stayed healthy. Instead he posted numbers that would've been TE#12 or 13 the last couple years, but was like TE#8 because the position was such a shitshow year. Surely he'll do better now, swapping Edelman and Hogan and an offense that feeds tight ends for Jordy and Adams and has had the entire TE corps average 60-600-4.5 on 90 targets the past 5 years. Bennett is bad and GB is bad for tight ends. He'll get like 70 targets (to Kendricks and Rodgers' combined 30ish) and score 4 touchdowns. MacheteZombie posted:I love how TE talk is always happening. It brings out the most extreme opinions, what can ya do?
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Jul 13, 2017 17:02
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Pancakes by Mail posted:In my current year-1-dynasty slow draft now entering round 8: Uhhh what??
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If only fantasy football figured out a consistent and reliable way to score offensive blocking, the tight end position would be so much more interesting and useful.
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Sataere posted:If those were your first four picks at receiver, you loving murdered it. Who are your other two picks? RVProfootballer posted:Uhhh what?? There have been a lot of weird and straight-up bad picks in this draft. I actually passed on ARob a few times because I didn't want to miss out on every non-receiver position, but finally yeah at #85 it was just too ridiculous not to get him. I've gone (with some pick trading) #14 Amari Cooper WR #28 Khalil Mack DL (DL eligibility sealed it for me) #29 DeAndre Hopkins WR #42 Andrew Luck QB #56 Christian McCaffrey RB #57 Sammy Watkins WR #70 CJ Mosley LB #84 Carlos Dunlap DL #85 Allen Robinson WR My next pick is #112. I really think I need another RB (Dalvin Cook?) at that point depending on who's available. As you can see I haven't even been drafting well (went too early on Luck, could have completely forgone the LB position until late rounds, Khalil Mack at #28 is probably a reach too) but my opponents seem intent on making just the most baffling picks and leaving insane, insane value on the table to where I've just been scooping up top-15 WRs basically for free. Edit: the lineup settings on offense are pretty weird, 1 QB/1 RB/1 WR/1 TE/2 RB/WR/TE flex, 0 ppr, but there's no way I should have landed those 4 receivers regardless Pancakes by Mail fucked around with this message at 17:17 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Leperflesh posted:If only fantasy football figured out a consistent and reliable way to score offensive blocking, the tight end position would be so much more interesting and useful. I want blocking points for players so badly haha. Would be cool if implemented right.
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Pancakes by Mail posted:Edit: the lineup settings on offense are pretty weird, 1 QB/1 RB/1 WR/1 TE/2 RB/WR/TE flex, 0 ppr, but there's no way I should have landed those 4 receivers regardless You've got a really weird league but yeah you're probably drafting IDP guys way too early. There's a much softer falloff in IDP positions, and also way more value generally available on waivers throughout a season. In most IDP drafts I've seen, JJ Watt goes in a earlish round (maybe 3rd to fourth round) and everyone else goes much later. That said that starting lineup is fairly weird. What are your keeper rules? Those can affect things a lot too.
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While we are on the topic of tight end chat: every league should have tight end premium scoring of some form. It really opens up the viable flex plays and creates more viable strategies.
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Papes posted:While we are on the topic of tight end chat: every league should have tight end premium scoring of some form. It really opens up the viable flex plays and creates more viable strategies. My dynasty league implemented ppr scoring in tiers, .5 for wr, .75 for rbs, 1 for tes n qbs. I like it. We also play with 3 wr/rb/te as flex spots so people get creative with lineups sometimes.
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Jul 13, 2017 17:31
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Leperflesh posted:You've got a really weird league but yeah you're probably drafting IDP guys way too early. There's a much softer falloff in IDP positions, and also way more value generally available on waivers throughout a season. In most IDP drafts I've seen, JJ Watt goes in a earlish round (maybe 3rd to fourth round) and everyone else goes much later. He posted his scoring when we had the original debate about trading the number one overall pick. According to those IDP settings, Mack is an amazing value. Also, if I'm right, they only get to keep five players next year, which means it's retarded to draft for your anymore and just go BPA regardless of age. Unless you convinced them not to go half keeper/half dynasty/all bad league
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The question isn't how many points Mack will get you, but how many points are left among other players in that position once Mack is gone. If the falloff is steep, Mack is an early rounder; but if a replacement for Mack is readily available for only a tiny drop in points, he's not. In my experience, there has only been one or two IDP players (JJ, and only when he plays a whole season) for whom that is the case; otherwise, IDPs go late because there isn't the positional scarcity.
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Leperflesh posted:The question isn't how many points Mack will get you, but how many points are left among other players in that position once Mack is gone. If the falloff is steep, Mack is an early rounder; but if a replacement for Mack is readily available for only a tiny drop in points, he's not. In my experience, there has only been one or two IDP players (JJ, and only when he plays a whole season) for whom that is the case; otherwise, IDPs go late because there isn't the positional scarcity. Once again, it depends on the scoring settings. A lot of the time, IDP goes late because defensive scoring isn't set up to be as valuable as offensive scoring. When IDP is scored properly, players at all three levels tier in a way where it makes sense to invest in the position early. His IDP scoring was similar to that of the cheating for charity league, in which Khalil Mack was the top defensive scorer by a significant margin. Moreover, the difference between other defensive lineman was massive. Like Gronk compared to other tight ends back in his prime. In a dynasty format, at that age, the case for positional value could be made he's a top ten value.
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Hmm. I guess I'd want to see the numbers (this wasn't how it worked in the all-IDP league I played a couple years, nor in my dynasty league where we use IDP) but I'll accept that with this scoring maybe it makes sense.
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Sataere posted:When IDP is scored properly, players at all three levels tier in a way where it makes sense to invest in the position early. Still can't quite make this blanket statement. If you start 2 LBs, there's no way you should be chasing the top tier guys in early rounds. The other thing is variability year to year seems quite a bit higher. There's much more fluidity in, say, the top 20 guys at each defensive spot each year, compared to offensive. Kuechly will be a top 2 or 3 guy if healthy, sure, but someone like Bobby Wagner or Zach Brown or Zach Orr ranged anywhere from a projected LB2 to undrafted. I wouldn't be surprised if Wagner was anything from like LB#20 to LB#1 next year. Same at DL (Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Brandon Graham, Akiem Hicks, Frank Clark), same at DB (basically every team's starting SS has a chance at being a top 20 guy, plus a few CBs sprinkled in). I personally like drafting one of the last few "guaranteed" top 20 guys, then speculating on rookies and upside in the later rounds. That's contingent on other managers starting to take IDPs earlier than I think is optimal, of course, so that offensive talent drops. With someone like ARob in the 80s, you could be making a ridiculously stacked offensive lineup!
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MacheteZombie posted:My dynasty league implemented ppr scoring in tiers, .5 for wr, .75 for rbs, 1 for tes n qbs. I like it. We also play with 3 wr/rb/te as flex spots so people get creative with lineups sometimes. This sounds cool. My only question is whether beersheets could do it.
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RisqueBarber posted:This sounds cool. My only question is whether beersheets could do it. I know in past seasons Beer has set up a custom request form closer to the season starts.
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RVProfootballer posted:Still can't quite make this blanket statement. If you start 2 LBs, there's no way you should be chasing the top tier guys in early rounds. The other thing is variability year to year seems quite a bit higher. There's much more fluidity in, say, the top 20 guys at each defensive spot each year, compared to offensive. Kuechly will be a top 2 or 3 guy if healthy, sure, but someone like Bobby Wagner or Zach Brown or Zach Orr ranged anywhere from a projected LB2 to undrafted. I wouldn't be surprised if Wagner was anything from like LB#20 to LB#1 next year. Same at DL (Damon Harrison, Olivier Vernon, Brandon Graham, Akiem Hicks, Frank Clark), same at DB (basically every team's starting SS has a chance at being a top 20 guy, plus a few CBs sprinkled in). To be clear, I was specifically citing why Khalil Mack makes sense. With middle linebackers, the difference between the #5 and #20 guy is marginal and there is a huge level of variance from year to year. But you could easily make the case for Kuechly early before concussions became a concern. He was consistently a top tier player. In a league where sacks are scored like touchdowns, having the best, young edge rusher in your lineup to slot as a DL is a huge positional advantage, both short term and long term. In the charity league, guys were drafting defensive players in the first round because it was a viable draft strategy.
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pubic works project posted:Oh look...TE chat again... What I really want to know is if Tyler Higbee's SPARQ score makes him injury prone against a tough strength of schedule.
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RisqueBarber posted:This sounds cool. My only question is whether beersheets could do it. It's something I've been meaning to do, but it would basically require me to rewrite... everything.
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pubic works project posted:Oh look...TE chat again... We could go back to page after page after page of Perkinschat
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Spoeank posted:We could go back to page after page after page of Perkinschat Okay okay! Sorry!!
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It's July, what the hell else is this thread for? Anyone uninterested in inane arguments wouldn't be here!
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I've been tasked with doing sleeper, breakout/bounceback and bust articles for each team and I'm stuck on the Bears because there are exactly 3 players being drafted and I'm not insane enough to call Jordan Howard a bust
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Spoeank posted:I've been tasked with doing sleeper, breakout/bounceback and bust articles for each team and I'm stuck on the Bears because there are exactly 3 players being drafted and I'm not insane enough to call Jordan Howard a bust I guess talk about the UDFAs?
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Leperflesh posted:I guess talk about the UDFAs? It's for fantasy though. It's a marry/gently caress/kill situation. Maybe I just call Kevin White a bust but then I have to put Jordan Howard as a breakout and Cam Meredith as a sleeper. It's all so annoying. Why do you gotta be like this bears edit: gently caress it I'm pro-rating Wheaton per game stats and calling him a sleeper who cares Edit: Wheaton not Wright Spoeank fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Have Kevin White be the sleeper and Meredith the bust, because that's probably the only way you can finish the article whether you believe it's true or not. (It's probably not)
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coronaball posted:Have Kevin White be the sleeper and Meredith the bust, because that's probably the only way you can finish the article whether you believe it's true or not. (It's probably not) But then Howard is a breakout. None of this works! Sleeper: Wheaton (lol I dont buy this lol) Breakout: Meredith Bust: Kevin White I did it. Fuckin finally.
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Connor Barth is the sleeper yo he is poised to break out (because the bears will be unable to finish drives)
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Spoeank posted:But then Howard is a breakout. None of this works! Howard can still be the breakout. He was the number two NFL RB last season, despite only starting 13? games. Yeah, he was a low end RB1, but he'll finish the year as a top three fantasy running back. Kevin White is an ideal sleeper candidate at his ADP, because he's not been on the field due to injuries, but he was showing signs every game he played and the Bears letting Alshon walk shows they are committed to him. He'll be the number one by default, so it's a very high upside play with minimal risk. Bust is your playoff hopes after you willingly draft players from the Chicago Bears to fill out your fantasy roster.  There's your article!
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How can a guy with a 13th round ADP be a bust? That's the problem, all the Bears players that are being drafted are deserving of their ADP. Howard is a low-end RB1 that goes in round 2. Meredith is a small sample size WR2/flex as the (maybe) #1 receiver on a bad team with bad QBs. White is a flier who has done nothing in the rare instances he was healthy.
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Sleeper: that tight end they drafted Breakout: Meredith Bust: Howard and White
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