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Screw the IAEA. It's time to reach out to the Russians and Americans. They get the nuke, we get protection from our employers.
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Dance Officer posted:Screw the IAEA. It's time to reach out to the Russians and Americans. They get the nuke, we get protection from our employers. Do you WANT World War III to be OUR fault?!
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Jul 13, 2017 03:59
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HereticMIND posted:Do you WANT World War III to be OUR fault?! Think of how many contracts we'll get!
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Jul 13, 2017 04:11
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Loel posted:Think of how many contracts we'll get! Think of all the Kill/Capture Orders that'll be placed on us!
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I think it says something about how hosed this situation is that I'm proposing what I'm referring to as the Escape From Yomi Evacuation Plan because dammit something like this deserves a suitably badass title. Now everyone, let's not mince words here: we have been hosed. The only good news is that we've been hosed more gently than if we had gone to the BSNC or the Nuge. But the reality is that we've got a shitton of enemies right to our south that can and will turn on us the second we find that nuke. While the specifics of the evac day will have to wait a general strategy can't hurt. Now, our biggest problem is the nuke: it's heavy, obvious, and will have everyone gunning for it. We need something fast if we want to get it out alive. And wouldn't you know it, there's a fast civilian vessel conveniently beached on St. Lawrence. The yacht may not have the best armor but by the time we get the nuke our enemies are going to want to start whipping out anti-ship missiles like no tomorrow, so defenses are practically irrelevant. We have Cobbie get that yacht back in the water, load up the nuke, and have him book it to Midway as fast as he possibly can, maybe blend in with civilian traffic. We'll obviously have as much CAP as we can support. This leaves our equally valuable planes: the AWACS, our tankers, our transport, losing any of these would be catastrophic. We need somewhere safe. Somewhere we can lie low. Someplace that owes us their freedom. I'm suggesting we take our planes southwest to Tibet if they can make it around Chinese airspace. God knows both it and the Indians owe us one; time to call in a favor. Hell, we might end up landing at Lhasa of all places if we do that; maybe there will still be Dragon corpses we can take pictures with. If we could I'd even suggest trying to make it to Angola but that's way too far out without resupply. Sound like something worth considering Hired Goons?
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And for my next trick, I present Drones Of The World. My filter criteria were a little more complex this time: crew of 0, takeoff distance > 0 (this excludes things like the Sperwer that get launched from the back of a truck), at least one loadout that's not Ferry/Maintenance/Reserve, no loadouts with the "Target Drone" role, and of course no hypotheticals. In addition to skipping older/lesser variants of a common frame, I'm also going to exclude a ton of unarmed drones with 30nm EO/IR cameras because there's so many of the drat things. Also the Reaper (  ) since we all know and love that one.All sensor ranges listed are for internal sensors. Except for the Reaper's Gorgon Stare, I don't see a single one that carries external sensors. Unarmed/Recon Only
Since I'm assuming Stingrays aren't going to be an option the same way Raptors aren't, a single MQ-1C for the COMINT and a couple MQ-1Bs are probably the best bet. Maybe some of those Burraqs if you want to do what we did with the Reaper, except in a way that makes sense. The Hermes 900 is interesting but I literally do not know what a comms jammer does in CMANO and its sensors are mediocre. Or we just buy a dozen of the United 40s and switch our mission profile to all ASW all the time  I'd also like to issue a correction: That Mohajer-3 thing showed up in here, making whatever part of CMANO that said it was a Frogfoot full of poo poo. A UAV armed with a laser designator makes way more sense.
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Jul 13, 2017 04:32
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Guys, we need to nuke Ted Nugent before Mitsuhashi screws us.
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If we're going to need to cheese it ASAP we should see about reaching out to the Prince and the Sultans First about seeing if they can help with any evac of our stuff for a reasonable fee. They have a decent-ish sea fleet with assets that can help us evac St Lawrence once we get the nuke and all our stuff in Russia. No reason as mercs we can't subcontract stuff out too!  Though I'm not sure how fast they can move from the Indoneia region to the Bering Sea. Still might be worth a look, since I don't think we can cram everything thing we have into a C-130 and a CN-235.Also any word from the Dutch on Mitsu's payments to them? Based on how they are handling things so far, if Mitsu is stiffing us on our bonuses I'd hate to see what they are doing to those guys.
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Dr. Snark posted:. Why not land in Warlord occupied China? I'm sure at least one warlord is happy we blew up some J-20s.
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Dreamsicle posted:Why not land in Warlord occupied China? I'm sure at least one warlord is happy we blew up some J-20s. Why not become one of the Warlords of China?
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Jul 13, 2017 05:14
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mcclay posted:Why not become one of the Warlords of China? Not an emptyquote
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Aaaaaah that moment when all of my arguments run counter to my burning desire to gently caress CHINA
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HereticMIND posted:Do you WANT World War III to be OUR fault?! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A_YEsLbLBY So, should we look at more Vipers? Someone did say the AIM-120C model of F-16 was 'baseline' and we should look at better, but they'd help fill out CAP and CAS as needed. Plenty of options in the specifics too. This assumes the plan after Africa of 'invest in more dedicated platforms so we don't throw our best air-to-air away because they're busy doing air-to-mud' has been dumped.
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HereticMIND posted:Do you WANT World War III to be OUR fault?! I see three ways to get us out of this theatre. 1.Talk to the Americans and Russians, explain the situation, tell them they will get the nuke and the actionable intel. In return they make sure SMARF doesn't do any silly things by locking down the theatre. 2. Ally up with Iceberg. They get the nuke, we get paid to kill SMARF, sink Mitsuhashi's fleet and see to Midori Hasegawa dying a violent death. Our (new) employer has already betrayed us so I see no moral argument against this. 3. We airlift Cobbie&co back to Russian soil, bomb SMARF's airfield into dust, tell everyone we're getting out, and leave (hopefully) unopposed) Of these I think the first two are viable. I would spread my chances and try to pursue both.
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Ok suggesting that we turn Ted Nugent into a nuclear power has got to be one of the most insane things I've heard anyone propose ever. And that's coming from the crazed eco-terrorist who wants to help the whales commit genocide. Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 08:28 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Are we that worried about SMARF anyway? Didn't we kick their rear end last time? We're a little less capable than back then right now, but how much of a threat are they? Are they a problem if we see them coming? e: my thinking is that we need to figure exactly when SMARF intends to backstab us. If they're going to wait until we've dealt with BSNC and Iceberg or if they're going to hit us right in the middle of the fight. Anta fucked around with this message at 08:27 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Jul 13, 2017 08:24
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Anta posted:Are we that worried about SMARF anyway? Didn't we kick their rear end last time? We're a little less capable than back then right now, but how much of a threat are they? Are they a problem if we see them coming? Somehow both us and SMARF made it out of Angola without fighting eachother
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Anta posted:Are we that worried about SMARF anyway? Didn't we kick their rear end last time? We're a little less capable than back then right now, but how much of a threat are they? Are they a problem if we see them coming? SMARF would be like Canada Express in that they fly modern american/american-derived aircraft. Since they come out of airbases on our backline they'd be pretty difficult to deal with at knife-fight range; we'd be trading with them at best.
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Anta posted:Are we that worried about SMARF anyway? Didn't we kick their rear end last time? We're a little less capable than back then right now, but how much of a threat are they? Are they a problem if we see them coming? We didn't come to blows with SMARF in Angola. They had a force of 6 Korean F16s, 2 Japanese F-2s, and an AEW plane that's similar in performance to our Erieye. I distinctly recall them losing their F16s to the Angolan AF, but to be fair they had a serious numbers disadvantage. From their outings in the Bering so far we know they still fly the same stuff. What we don't know is how much they have. If they have, say, 15 or more fighters here, they are a serious threat.
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is the FA-50 in production in this timeline? they could be a good budget buy.
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thatbastardken posted:is the FA-50 in production in this timeline? they could be a good budget buy. In-game, they're basically supersonic AMXes in practice. The only thing they offer is JDAM and Maverick capability. Otherwise it's Sidewinders-only AAM loadouts and dumb bombs.
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Groggy nard posted:Aaaaaah that moment when all of my arguments run counter to my burning desire to gently caress CHINA BURN or gently caress  because there is an important distinction there....
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power crystals posted:Armed Dunno if you're serious, but the UAE has a really strong reason: it's surrounded by a bunch of independent powers of varying strength, and the UAE's only ocean access is the Gulf of Oman. If someone wanted to royally gently caress with the powers there (Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE itself, etc) either for money or politics, they would send a few subs to the region and start torpedoing every large ship in the area. That would be very, very bad for the countries that need access to the Gulf of Oman to import practically everything a modern city needs, so torpedo drones are a fairly smart insurance for a power that can't afford some really pricey navy hardware.
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Also the UAE is pretty terrible at keeping their current navy running properly. My Dad works for a company that helps write the maintenance manuals for ships and makes sure all work is being done right and he once went out there to check on some new patrol boats they had ordered. On arriving he found out of the seven ordered they had one running and only barely and that was because they were using parts from the other six. Even then it could just about leave the harbour before having to turn back so I can see why they would need something else. A good warning though about paying and preparing for maintenance of your new equipment.
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thetruegentleman posted:Dunno if you're serious, but the UAE has a really strong reason: it's surrounded by a bunch of independent powers of varying strength, and the UAE's only ocean access is the Gulf of Oman. If someone wanted to royally gently caress with the powers there (Iran, Saudi Arabia, the UAE itself, etc) either for money or politics, they would send a few subs to the region and start torpedoing every large ship in the area. That would be very, very bad for the countries that need access to the Gulf of Oman to import practically everything a modern city needs, so torpedo drones are a fairly smart insurance for a power that can't afford some really pricey navy hardware. Fair enough. I stand educated.
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Dance Officer posted:I see three ways to get us out of this theatre. 1. We've already committed to taking the nuke to the IAEA. What makes you think that Russia and the US'll listen to us? They can just take our nuke and then line us all up to be shot. 2. Oh, sure. THAT'LL go over smoothly. We kill Midori and we get a rep for being disloyal, greedy assholes. 3. Airlift Cobbie out, yes. Scorch the Earth behind us, maybe. Leave unopposed? Whatever gave you the idea THAT was ever an option?
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What loyalty do we have to Midori, international nuclear criminal. If we're no longer being paid, I see no reason not to go public with everything we know and pull out.
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sniper4625 posted:What loyalty do we have to Midori, international nuclear criminal. If we're no longer being paid, I see no reason not to go public with everything we know and pull out. We'll need proof. Like that nuke.
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It seems to me that Midori is just after the $$$$$. SMARF is one thing, but she's the kind of person who will deal. If we have no other good options, once we have the nuke, we can blackmail our Japanese corporate overlords on our silence, because if we say something it means war with Russia and/or China. We're also propped up by American investors, so the USA may be one of the safer places we can land after a hot exit. And it seems to me that deliberately putting recon elements over St. Lawrence Island mean the USA may be wanting to retake their land, which could be the out of all outs. That said, I wouldn't count on it without a deal in place. Worst comes to worst, the Angolan government really likes us 
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Night10194 posted:We'll need proof. Like that nuke. We have Hasegawa-san's own confession and a bunch of documents to substantiate it. We've got the proof.
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sniper4625 posted:I see no reason not to go public with everything we know and pull out. Well, there's that whole "would probably start a world war or at the absolute least get Japan leveled" thing....
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Crazycryodude posted:Well, there's that whole "would probably start a world war or at the absolute least get Japan leveled" thing.... Not really seeing a downside here.
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power crystals posted:Not really seeing a downside here. Tbf, radiation isn't visible to the naked eye.
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HereticMIND posted:3. Airlift Cobbie out, yes. Scorch the Earth behind us, maybe. Leave unopposed? Whatever gave you the idea THAT was ever an option? And who exactly would be left to oppose us, lol. Iceberg is down to one damaged Hornet, BSNC lost so much they spent the last mission sending out Supertweets, and SMARF will be wrecked. Plus, we also have Cobbie and his yobboes to defend us against any land attacks if we fly them back to base.
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Dance Officer posted:And who exactly would be left to oppose us, lol. Iceberg is down to one damaged Hornet, BSNC lost so much they spent the last mission sending out Supertweets, and SMARF will be wrecked. Plus, we also have Cobbie and his yobboes to defend us against any land attacks if we fly them back to base. Iceberg is NOT down to a single Hornet. They're down to a single Hornet and a significant ground force screaming towards Cobbie and co. Sure, aerially we can keep the skies clear, but getting Cobbie out is going to be harder than you think considering what a hard time we had getting onto the island.
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Serpentis posted:Iceberg is NOT down to a single Hornet. They're down to a single Hornet and a significant ground force screaming towards Cobbie and co. Sure, aerially we can keep the skies clear, but getting Cobbie out is going to be harder than you think considering what a hard time we had getting onto the island. I'm actually fairly sure the airlift will be easy. Iceberg is a non-issue for Cobbie&co regardless. What's looking like a decent BSNC ground force stands between them. All we need to do is kill the remaining manpads/send our helis one mile south and it'll safe and good to go.
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Dance Officer posted:I'm actually fairly sure the airlift will be easy. Iceberg is a non-issue for Cobbie&co regardless. What's looking like a decent BSNC ground force stands between them. All we need to do is kill the remaining manpads/send our helis one mile south and it'll safe and good to go. I'm not sure if our Mi-8s can airlift out the nuke and the wounded...
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Davin Valkri posted:I'm not sure if our Mi-8s can airlift out the nuke and the wounded... You get him a landing strip, Pike's willing to try a combat extraction.
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Serpentis posted:Tbf, radiation isn't visible to the naked eye. Radiation is all your eyes can detect. Yes, I know, not that kind of radiation.
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sniper4625 posted:What loyalty do we have to Midori, international nuclear criminal. If we're no longer being paid, I see no reason not to go public with everything we know and pull out. Yes I'm sure the people who pay for mercenary air forces will just line the gently caress up to hire guys everyone knows air your dirty secrets after they leave.
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