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GunnerJ posted:Not really a fan of this. I'm skeptical as well. I hope they focus more on the language and tone rather than over the top cartoonish voices. I remember the Utopia release date trailer and thinking that it really did a good job of setting the mood without being cheesy: https://youtu.be/YmvGlBFaFEU Instead, I'm getting a bad vibe, especially that militarist VO. "Cry havok" is such an over used line, you either need to nail it or don't even try. What they have there sounds like some cheesy unit cue from like Warcraft 2 or something. LogisticEarth fucked around with this message at 18:49 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Yeah, we definitely should have put the audio director up to fleshing out gameplay mechanics instead, that would have ended well.  EDIT: I can understand the frustration, but you're smarter than this. LordMune fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Jul 13, 2017 18:44
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so uh, since you have multiple voices, but an empire isn't just militarist, or xenophobic but a combination of ethics, how does that work? does the thing just switch voice all the time or is there a voice for each combination?
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Jul 13, 2017 18:47
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I think having an omnicidal AI assistant is a great idea personally.
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I don't mind DOTA-style announcer packs but the preview is underwhelming.
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VO selection happens in the settings menu, only if you choose "Automatic" will the game base it on your Fanatic ethos (or a (weighted) random one if you roll with three ethics).
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LordMune posted:Yeah, we definitely should have put the audio director up to fleshing out gameplay mechanics instead, that would have ended well.
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Jul 13, 2017 18:56
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LordMune posted:Yeah, we definitely should have put the audio director up to fleshing out gameplay mechanics instead, that would have ended well. I very much understand how game development works. Yes, he's the audio guy and should work on audio. But the money you're spending on writing, casting voice actors, editing, recording studio time (maybe you do this in-house, I dunno?), etc. could instead be focused on paying someone to make ground combat actually fun or getting some extra programming hours in on making those end game crises actually interesting or dynamic instead of a boring slog. And so we're clear, I'm not foaming at the mouth with rage over here. I just haven't been encouraged by the last several dev diaries and don't see myself reinstalling Stellaris anytime soon. LordMune posted:EDIT: I can understand the frustration, but you're smarter than this. Well we'll just have to agree to disagree on this point. 
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Jul 13, 2017 18:59
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4X goons continue to goon, news at eleven.
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Jul 13, 2017 19:02
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Art team do art, code team do code, we've had this argument a billion times before and probably will have it a billion more. Can we just skip it this time?
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Jul 13, 2017 19:06
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No but see, you take the art team's money to have the code team do more code because money=instant results and also you'll totally be able to keep the art team around because
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LordMune posted:EDIT: I can understand the frustration, but you're smarter than this. are u sure 
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I think it's cool. 
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Jul 13, 2017 19:21
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I don't know about you guys, but when developing my games once I have the aesthetics at an acceptable level I set the artists to Processing so my coders grow faster.
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Psycho Landlord posted:No but see, you take the art team's money to have the code team do more code because money=instant results and also you'll totally be able to keep the art team around because Maybe you have less artists on staff and more coders? Just spitballing here. Maybe you also actually have a design philosophy and end goal in mind instead of madly scrambling from item to item putting in placeholder fixes you'll just have to revamp six months down the line. Or maybe you fix what you have instead of constantly stapling on new features that themselves need to be fixed along with everything else. I know the simple defense is to state that I clearly just don't understand how video game gets made, but Stellaris isn't really getting better or deeper, it's just getting more. And if you're happy with that then bully for you, but I'm finding it disappointing. The experience is still really shallow well past launch and I think that's unfortunate.
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LordMune posted:EDIT: I can understand the frustration, but you're smarter than this. Wicked Them Beats posted:Maybe you have less artists on staff and more coders? Just spitballing here. The prosecution submits exhibit A to this kangaroo court
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I know the simple defense is to state that I clearly just don't understand how video game gets made, but Stellaris isn't really getting better or deeper, it's just getting more. And if you're happy with that then bully for you, but I'm finding it disappointing. The experience is still really shallow well past launch and I think that's unfortunate. I think it's definitely improved quite a bit since launch. The game still starts to feel aimless once the early game ends, because there are no structured goals and no real world history to form a contextual framework, but it's definitely more interesting then launch. I also find a 600 star galaxy gets frustratingly slow mid game. I've got a five(?) year old i5 2.7mhz processor though, so maybe that's getting a little long in the tooth?
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Fintilgin posted:I think it's definitely improved quite a bit since launch. I've got a similar processor and it used to run slow, but one thing they have been improving consistently seems to be performance. I don't really get slowdowns much at all anymore. And it's definitely better, but I still think it's far short of where I would be excited to keep playing it. I feel like I've done everything the game has to offer at this point and painting the map my color or wearing down the Unbidden for the umpteenth time isn't really appealing.
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How long ago did you stop playing the game, Wicked I want to know how long I have to wait before I, too, can tell the Stellaris devs exactly what they are doing wrong because I am the authority due to not playing their game
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Jul 13, 2017 19:39
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It's better to fire the entire audio team once you're done with them for a few weeks and then replace them later on. It's stupid to keep trained developers who know the game, engine and company around during downtime, when you could instead just fire them and hire a new coder who will need to learn the game and engine, especially when you can just fire that coder later and hire a new sound team who will need to
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Oh, are we doing the thing where we can't discuss the game unless it's positive and we pretend the devs can do no wrong? But in answer to your question that was surely asked in good faith, I stopped playing a few months back.turn off the TV posted:It's better to fire the entire audio team once you're done with them for a few weeks and then replace them later on. It's stupid to keep trained developers who know the game, engine and company around during downtime, when you could instead just fire them and hire a new coder who will need to learn the game and engine, especially when you can just fire that coder later and hire a new sound team who will need to Actually scaling down teams after release is super normal? This isn't some small indie studio, it's a large game developer running multiple concurrent projects. I assume Paradox moved a bunch of people off of this game and onto other projects after 1.0. I just happen to think voice packs and extra diplomacy room visuals are nice, but a poor focus for the remaining team members. But I guess that makes me a moron who doesn't get the complexities of game development. Edit: this discussion isn't going to go anywhere and the devs will do whatever it is they do, assuming they even know what they want to do, so I'm just going to bow out. Hope I'm wrong and the game actually gets some real depth at some point. Wicked Them Beats fucked around with this message at 20:00 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Fintilgin posted:I think it's cool. Agreed and I think it's a very nice touch. Also I really liked the Xenophobe VO, Miltarist is cheesy but fun, and the Borg are cool.
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Fintilgin posted:I think it's cool.  Wicked Them Beats posted:I just happen to think voice packs and extra diplomacy room visuals are nice, but a poor focus for the remaining team members.
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Crazycryodude posted:
Nevets posted:I don't know about you guys, but when developing my games once I have the aesthetics at an acceptable level I set the artists to Processing so my coders grow faster.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Actually scaling down teams after release is super normal? This isn't some small indie studio, it's a large game developer running multiple concurrent projects. I assume Paradox moved a bunch of people off of this game and onto other projects after 1.0. Have team members working on new projects, you say? quote:For the upcoming Story Pack we felt that we wanted to experiment with VIR, our friendly advisor, see how it would feel to have different set of VO cues depending on your Empire’s ethic.
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Pyroi posted:I really hope it's that over the top for doing everything, not just military things.  I want to hear "Tile blocker ANNIHILATED" *several seconds of deranged cackling*
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Oh, are we doing the thing where we can't discuss the game unless it's positive and we pretend the devs can do no wrong? But in answer to your question that was surely asked in good faith, I stopped playing a few months back. No, it's perfectly fine to criticize gameplay. Most of the people who are in here making GBS threads on you do that pretty frequently. Stellaris isn't a perfect game, and if there are things you don't like about it as a game, you should point them out. Maybe the devs will tweak it to be a bit more to your liking. That part's fine. We're making fun of you because, instead of doing that, you told the devs how to actually spend their money and time on the development side of things, which is a supremely goony thing to do. You can talk up understanding game development all you want to, but you're not a Stellaris dev, you don't know what's going on with the team, and also you said a really loving stupid thing about personnel management so you don't actually understand game development that well at all, as it turns out. So yeah, do the first thing I talked about, and not the thing you are doing, otherwise we're going to keep making fun of you. Though I kinda hope you keep doing the thing you're doing, because it's funny and I like shitposting.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Oh, are we doing the thing where we can't discuss the game unless it's positive and we pretend the devs can do no wrong? No. Citation: nobody has given me any poo poo for saying I don't like this new voice thing.
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The best update for me was the one where setting the voice off would be remembered next time I launched the game. You got so many messages at once at mid-game it's just horrible, did that ever get better?
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Hello. You have no loving clue what you're babbling about. Regards, the Stellaris team. 
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Maybe the audio guy could record the entire team saying Shut Up and Wiz could post it in this terrible thread edit: ha, beaten
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Doesn't Paradox's sound team just work on all of their games? That seems like a better way to do it.
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In addition to my earlier statement about the appeal of all-hating AIs, I also think the voices recorded are actually really fun sounding.
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Would you be interested in a trade agreement with England?
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Wicked Them Beats posted:I very much understand how game development works. Yes, he's the audio guy and should work on audio. But the money you're spending on writing, casting voice actors, editing, recording studio time (maybe you do this in-house, I dunno?), etc. could instead be focused on paying someone to make ground combat actually fun or getting some extra programming hours in on making those end game crises actually interesting or dynamic instead of a boring slog. Whose to say they aren't doing both and just wanted to show us something cool?
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LordAbaddon posted:Speaking of the Borg, I'm hoping that future updates allow synthetic empires to convert to hive mind I'm actually hoping they add the option for authoritarian empires to convert. I want to be able to do a special project that forces my pops to become hive minds or leave.
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Azuth0667 posted:Whose to say they aren't doing both and just wanted to show us something cool? spoiler: it's this. Reminder that most of Paradox's devs are currently on vacation and every dev diary released until like August is going to be fluffy and hopefully cool stuff like this.
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Wicked Them Beats posted:
Tarquinn posted:Would you be interested in a trade agreement with England? still can't get over the amount of extra animation/VO work firaxis gave themselves in order to put out that awful loving feature =/
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Wicked Them Beats posted:Me neither. The people doing VO aren't the people programming combat E: beaten like a pacifist xenophile
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