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eatenmyeyes
Mar 29, 2001

Grimey Drawer
Red caps are subhuman, unlike Ed Balls.

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Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Uncle Wemus posted:

serious posts :aaa:


https://twitter.com/BUSSCRO/status/885651702866726913

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
phrenology is back baby!

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 24 days!)

Al! posted:

i guess then if we believe that the question we should be asking ourselves is why that message seems to be far, far more attractive than our message that things are not fine. what are we wrapping that message in thats making it unpalatable to the vast majority of people

It's a language that reinforces the status quo, for people who are already on the top of the social pecking order. This isn't a message that appeals to the majority of people, because the kind of Twitter libs who go on and on about Berniebros and the dirtbag left are themselves an insular community. The key difference here, is that the liberals who adopt this language include people like Joan Walsh, or Joy Ann Reid, or Kurt Eichenwald, people who are given major platforms by publications with wide circulations no matter how much they gently caress up or make themselves look like morons. They maintain those positions because it's their job to reinforce that ruling class ideology, and this is a grift with billions of dollars behind it. NBC Universal is owned by Comcast, which is an 80.4 billion dollar a year revenue, 28 billion of which comes from NBC Universal alone.

It's because our message is so appealing and challenging that it's being suppressed. The biggest hurdle is that group discipline is going to be more important for the Left than the Center. It doesn't matter how much a Centrist fucks up or says something racist, because they represent ruling class interests and will be ignored, but if one of our own says something problematic then it'll be amplified 1000x.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Hey nerd get Tinder.

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Montasque posted:

Hey nerd get Tinder.

tinder won't help considering he'll just be another neckbeard screaming at girls who don't respond quick enough

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
Well, going by the data, the idea of there being a recent steep sexual hierarchy is wrong, because all the datasets have the difference decreasing over time. If we undestand feminism as a political force increasing over that same time period, then there's an anti-correlation going on there. The difference between then and now, considering these people + their sexual frustrations, would have to be marriage rates, which I'll point back to income.

But I would be extremely skeptical of anything that blames the internet, or a culture of superficiality or whatever, both because I find these arguments fundamentally regressive, and historically analogously forms have proven to be false. There may also be an age-gap factor here, where old guys complain that the young guys are messed up/shallow/etc, despite themselves being exactly the same at their age (they just have a selective memory, as does everyone about themselves).

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Al! posted:

imo the big story of the alt right is that all it took to dispel their mystique and aura of intimidation and probably derailed their platform for a good long time was one solid punch to the face

their mystique wore off when they left their computers and went outside, the zenith of this being those alt right youtubers who went to go troll the german black bloc last week

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



i just remembered that they tried to doxx the dude that punched spencer and he was a literal diaper wearing cuck lmao

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Business Gorillas posted:

i just remembered that they tried to doxx the dude that punched spencer and he was a literal diaper wearing cuck lmao

he wasn't but it's funny that somebody was familiar enough with scat porn to think he looked like he was the guy

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
The tragedy of tumblr is not that it exists, but that it represents the horizon of anything resembling a left, and that its particular & destructive habits have made a jump into the mainstream. If a real, disciplined left existed, comparisons to tumblr would fail to be convincing, even to laymen, because the character + culture of the movements would be so obviously radically different.

But in order for that to happen, the negative habits present in the tumblr crowd must be acknowledged, which means examining it seriously, to understand why these habits take root. 'Leaving them alone' in their bubbles, out of sympathy, isn't good enough, since that doesn't acknowledge the problem, nor does it acknowledge that said habits have been mainstreamed by liberals falsely portraying themselves as left.

The point of the criticism of the tumblr crowd, is to use the insight gained to structure a movement that's adaptable and relevant, not to 'mock tumblrinas'.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything

Darkman Fanpage posted:

he wasn't but it's funny that somebody was familiar enough with scat porn to think he looked like he was the guy

it's doubly funny that they decided to parade around the fact that their leader ran away and cried after being punched by (what they thought was) a literal shiteating cuck

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer

snoremac posted:

Maybe I'm remembering wrong but I thought this rocketed up the Amazon bestseller list for a time, unless that was not true or it's not as big of a deal as it sounds.

Cool and good though.

typical right wing book strategy is that you provide some think tank with X dollars to buy Y copies of your book, in the hopes that artificial inflation of NYT and Amazon bestseller lists will make it sell better. I guess it turns out that milo's core demographic is either smaller than we thought, or can't be bothered to read something that's not a youtube comment section.

Ague Proof
Jun 5, 2014

they told me
I was everything
Milo's fans don't read books.
Book readers don't want to read Milo's poo poo.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven
On Milo - 18k is actual book sales, BUT all his books that were printed are technically sold out since they were bought by wholesalers.

Milo is doing a big blitz of media in the coming weeks, and even if that doesn't pan out he still has millions in Mercer money.

Also... Looks like Phil went alt-right:
https://twitter.com/tariqnasheed/status/885318264636620800

10 years ago?

Montasque has issued a correction as of 05:47 on Jul 14, 2017

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

lol awesome. i assume i will see like 30 copies at the various used bookstores i go to, along with other right wing/dumb memoirs.

has jontron ever popped up again? i havent heard a peep from him since he went idiot nazi.

Mermaid Autopsy
Jun 9, 2001

the Progressive Stack put young white males at the bottom so they found their own social group to belong to

pretty simple

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?

Can I get some names? I'm pretty sure this is the poo poo my coworker is into and I need to know which one(s) he's into.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


all of youtube turning itno a nazi hellscape is pretty funny

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


next up, ASMR girl talks about white genocide

Coolness Averted
Feb 20, 2007

oh don't worry, I can't smell asparagus piss, it's in my DNA

GO HOGG WILD!
🐗🐗🐗🐗🐗

Ague Proof posted:

Milo's fans don't read books.
Book readers don't want to read Milo's poo poo.

Yeah but there's always selling tickets to an event to see him talk, and wow everyone who attends gets a free copy of the book!
Even Prince did that to turn one of his dud later releases, everyone who bought tickets to his tour got a 'free' CD, which of course still counted as a sale for the charts.

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



consumed by normies posted:

all of youtube turning itno a nazi hellscape is pretty funny

ADORABLE Tiger Cub and Baby Puppy Solve the Jewish Problem!!! 😄😄

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


HEY NONG MAN posted:

Can I get some names? I'm pretty sure this is the poo poo my coworker is into and I need to know which one(s) he's into.

thank god i can only identify one, lauren southern

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

HEY NONG MAN posted:

Can I get some names? I'm pretty sure this is the poo poo my coworker is into and I need to know which one(s) he's into.

I can get pretty deep into this stuff, but even I am stumped on this one.

The only one I can name is Lauren Southern. I know her because she was attached to Rebel Media(A Canadian alt-right news outfit), and is very popular with the Pepes.

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

consumed by normies posted:

all of youtube turning itno a nazi hellscape is pretty funny

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



Minecraft concentration camp was my next joke but then I realized that already exists

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven
The Pepes also have a few transwomen youtubers in their ranks:

https://twitter.com/TherynMeyer/status/883918801816797185
https://twitter.com/MsBlaireWhite/status/882259076599627778

I think it helps that they are attractive... And white.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
Lauren Southern! she's the one a former bandmate recently "liked" on Facebook after suddenly growing a ridiculous mountain man beard and moving to Tacoma.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.

consumed by normies posted:

all of youtube turning itno a nazi hellscape is pretty funny

I loosely recall the woke left cheering YouTube's advertising rules that would stop the alt-right mouthpieces from making money, only to realise it cut off the cashflow for them as well.

At this point I feel it's unwise to say 'these people don't really exist' about pretty much anything, given we've got literal phrenologists declaring themselves unfuckable for having the incorrect skull ratio. The straw man is dead.

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

Inescapable Duck posted:

I loosely recall the woke left cheering YouTube's advertising rules that would stop the alt-right mouthpieces from making money, only to realise it cut off the cashflow for them as well.

At this point I feel it's unwise to say 'these people don't really exist' about pretty much anything, given we've got literal phrenologists declaring themselves unfuckable for having the incorrect skull ratio. The straw man is dead.

Youtube changing their rules hurt the grifters but they now have patreons, sponsors and paywall subscription content to make up for the revenue lost.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

a good thing to remember is that communities like fanfic tumblr, 4chan, thedonald, et al are really small but appear larger because:
1. basement dwellers who post 100x as much as normies. there's a story about a doctor who writer who got hundreds of emails, letters, and tweets per day when he killed off some character and they were all coming from one deranged person. people conflate posting volume with importance, but a ton of these weirdos have alt accounts and just post all loving day
2. members are international, so you get weird overseas misfits like southern or milo or pjw who fit right in with American politics
3. news sites report on them a lot, because their discourse is online and public, whereas normie discourse happens in person. there was a huge wave of local reporting on a joke Facebook event where 1000 people had clicked "interested" and that poo poo is so easy to report on because you can do all the research from your desk and maybe one or two calls

it's tempting to think you can majorly influence discourse by targeting a very vocal group of people online, but it's a mostly contained echo chamber

Montasque
Jul 18, 2003

Living in a hateful world sending me straight to Heaven

theflyingexecutive posted:

a good thing to remember is that communities like fanfic tumblr, 4chan, thedonald, et al are really small but appear larger because:
1. basement dwellers who post 100x as much as normies. there's a story about a doctor who writer who got hundreds of emails, letters, and tweets per day when he killed off some character and they were all coming from one deranged person. people conflate posting volume with importance, but a ton of these weirdos have alt accounts and just post all loving day
2. members are international, so you get weird overseas misfits like southern or milo or pjw who fit right in with American politics
3. news sites report on them a lot, because their discourse is online and public, whereas normie discourse happens in person. there was a huge wave of local reporting on a joke Facebook event where 1000 people had clicked "interested" and that poo poo is so easy to report on because you can do all the research from your desk and maybe one or two calls

it's tempting to think you can majorly influence discourse by targeting a very vocal group of people online, but it's a mostly contained echo chamber

You're right, but then I remember all the CHUDS at Trump rallies, and CHUD moms and dads sharing Trump Pepes on FB, and the fact Trump won the election and I am like... Maybe this poo poo has hit the normieverse.

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless
according to alexa, reddit is the 7th most popular website in the world, and the_donald dominated the front page during election season

Tokamak
Dec 22, 2004


Nielsen Bookscan doesn't track e-books. I imagine for a self published book where your audience is primarily nerds on the internet, the tracking will be a bit wonky.

Is 20,000 even bad for political memoir? I had a look and Hilary Clinton's last book sold about 300k (and other presidential candidates being a couple hundred thousand). I think 20k for a relative nobody is alright. This just seems like him drumming up controversy to try and squeeze the stone for a few more sales.

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

like it would be so easy for a lazy fact-checker to go to SA, see 100k registered users and 100k posts in the trump thread and say it's some sort of hub of political discourse, when in actuality the top 30 posters account for a mind-boggling 40% of the posts

theflyingexecutive
Apr 22, 2007

Montasque posted:

You're right, but then I remember all the CHUDS at Trump rallies, and CHUD moms and dads sharing Trump Pepes on FB, and the fact Trump won the election and I am like... Maybe this poo poo has hit the normieverse.

there's definitely a pipeline, but that only exists because of breitbart and alex Jones very actively moving the choicest memes onto Facebook or w/e. like there's no lovely exurban mom running around yelling "praise kek" on her timeline, but she may share a Pepe meme without understanding how or why it became a meme

theflyingexecutive has issued a correction as of 06:58 on Jul 14, 2017

deadgoon
Dec 4, 2014

by FactsAreUseless

theflyingexecutive posted:

like it would be so easy for a lazy fact-checker to go to SA, see 100k registered users and 100k posts in the trump thread and say it's some sort of hub of political discourse, when in actuality the top 30 posters account for a mind-boggling 40% of the posts

what if the majority of people on the interwebs are lurkers who mostly talk to their friends but everyone consumes the media the very small minority of content creators produce

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer
Also since chud neets have the most time to post, they also have the most time to consume and comment on youtube. They are the largest set of eyes on the platform, and therefore any videogame/"youtube culture" content creator that doesn't explicitly reject them will end up creating content that caters to them as that gets the most eyes and therefore the most money.

Bushiz
Sep 21, 2004

The #1 Threat to Ba Sing Se

Grimey Drawer

Tokamak posted:

Nielsen Bookscan doesn't track e-books. I imagine for a self published book where your audience is primarily nerds on the internet, the tracking will be a bit wonky.

Is 20,000 even bad for political memoir? I had a look and Hilary Clinton's last book sold about 300k (and other presidential candidates being a couple hundred thousand). I think 20k for a relative nobody is alright. This just seems like him drumming up controversy to try and squeeze the stone for a few more sales.

20,000 is bad if you've printed 100,000 copies.

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Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
seriously lol @ everyone itt
a: if you want to understand 4chan post a pic of your genitals there
b: hahahahahaahahahahaha

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