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SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Condiv posted:

"lol look at their pathetic numbers, they can't help anyone like that! check out what radical centrism can do!"

*nobody shows up to help picket, unions get stomped*

"owned dsa!!"

people *are* showing up to their pickets, though

twitter followers isn't a good indication of engagement or attendance, a tiny slice of the population actually uses twitter

its primary purposes is for your favorite authors to post pictures of their pets and journalists to post breaking news stories

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ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

SKULL.GIF posted:

twitter followers isn't a good indication of engagement or attendance, a tiny slice of the population actually uses twitter

its primary purposes is for your favorite authors to post pictures of their pets and journalists to post breaking news stories
Buddy just listen how wrong you are when I finish my sick ownage 1/69

ThndrShk2k has issued a correction as of 23:55 on Jul 14, 2017

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Al! posted:

you'd have to be crazy with power. some sort of powercrazy person

I should be IK.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

UHD posted:

well you can't just have a guillotine out in public view

not until the revolution begins anyway

Are Guillotines actually illegal? I don't imagine they are classified as weapons. I mean obviously until the People's Democratic Socialist Courts are instituted they would be illegal to use, but surely any good protest should have a few portable guillotines, maybe with some watermelon's for demonstration purposes.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

No good. The effect is lost unless they are fully functional.

On the other hand, maybe the implication of guillotining dicks may sway a few bad dems.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

No good. The effect is lost unless they are fully functional.

On the other hand, maybe the implication of guillotining dicks may sway a few bad dems.

You sway them by social blessing everything with sacramental wine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBTkDvPSPgY&t=50s

Especially boids.
:bernin:

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

A reminder that killing people is still wrong.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
Seriously though find the politicians who drink and get schmoozy and give them liquor.

A good politician who drinks beer will befriend local homebrew clubs because they get to be beer hipsters and elite by trying the new stuff before it gets popular, and getting a local brand endorsement if their views match as well.

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

docbeard posted:

A reminder that killing people is still wrong.

scoop if true

Serf
May 5, 2011


docbeard posted:

A reminder that killing people is still wrong.

the existence of nazis would seem to disprove your theory

oh wait, you did say "people"

nevermind

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

Serf posted:

the existence of nazis would seem to disprove your theory

oh wait, you did say "people"

nevermind

good point, i retract my sarcastic rebuttal

killing actual people is very wrong indeed and i strongly disapprove of it

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Someone's gotta be the diehard pacifist around here.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

docbeard posted:

Someone's gotta be the diehard pacifist around here.
There's a couple

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

docbeard posted:

Someone's gotta be the diehard pacifist around here.

i'm actually a pacifist when nazis are not involved

gently caress nazis though

docbeard
Jul 19, 2011

Yinlock posted:

i'm actually a pacifist when nazis are not involved

gently caress nazis though

Yeah, fair enough. Once the conversion process hits the Heil Whoever stage, death is probably a mercy.

Serf
May 5, 2011


once the revolution is over, there will be no more guns in the valley

The Little Kielbasa
Mar 29, 2001

and another thing: im not mad. please dont put in the newspaper that i got mad.

ThndrShk2k posted:

Seriously though find the politicians who drink and get schmoozy and give them liquor.

A good politician who drinks beer will befriend local homebrew clubs because they get to be beer hipsters and elite by trying the new stuff before it gets popular, and getting a local brand endorsement if their views match as well.

A good politician who drinks beer would only drink union-made beer, which probably rules out the local hipster brew.

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar

The Little Kielbasa posted:

A good politician who drinks beer would only drink union-made beer, which probably rules out the local hipster brew.
You'd be surprised how many niches there are, and there's hipsters of each scene for beer, it's just that they're more colloquial called beer aficionado/snobs in some.

Granted I guess a more general term would be beer nerds if they're into making it rather than drinking it.

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

Yinlock posted:

i'm actually a pacifist when nazis are not involved

gently caress nazis though

yeah, you're a liberal

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

zeal posted:

yeah, you're a liberal

no see i want nazis to not exist, the liberal thing would be wanting anything other than that

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

docbeard posted:

Someone's gotta be the diehard pacifist around here.

that's joe "disband the military" mentum's job

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
I've been thinking about hey the idpol vs. economic justice debate between leftists and liberals seems so circular and unproductive. I don't think it's an actual policy disagreement, or a messaging problem. I don't even think it's a disingenuous attack on Bernie Bros by Clintonistas. I think this debate reveals a fundamental difference in the way the two sides think about the issue

This might be completely wrong, or already discussed, but whatever.

I think of it as Solidarity vs. Privilege.

The leftists don't understand the accusation that they're sacrificing racial justice for economic justice, because to the leftist those two issues are fundamentally intertwined. Leftists think of it as an issue of solidarity. Back in the day a common strike-breaking technique was to hire black scabs. That was bad for the unions because it undermined the effectiveness of strikes. But the only reason that there were black people available to do scab work was because the unions wouldn't let black people join. So the black people couldn't get good union jobs, didn't see the benefits of unions, and had no reason not to do scab work. The solution is simple; get blacks into the same unions as whites. Black workers received the benefits of union membership, and the white workers couldn't be undermined by black scabs. Being less racist was part and parcel of a more effective labor movement. Solidarity among workers of all races led to material benefits for them all.

The liberals see things as an issue of privilege. White people gain the benefit of privilege when black people have less than whites. It's a zero sum game. For blacks to gain, whites must lose. So racial justice and economic aren't just not intertwined, they're actually at odds with each other.

That's the problem right there, leftists and liberals are coming at the issue from contradictory assumptions.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Guy Goodbody posted:

I've been thinking about hey the idpol vs. economic justice debate between leftists and liberals seems so circular and unproductive. I don't think it's an actual policy disagreement, or a messaging problem. I don't even think it's a disingenuous attack on Bernie Bros by Clintonistas. I think this debate reveals a fundamental difference in the way the two sides think about the issue

This might be completely wrong, or already discussed, but whatever.

I think of it as Solidarity vs. Privilege.

The leftists don't understand the accusation that they're sacrificing racial justice for economic justice, because to the leftist those two issues are fundamentally intertwined. Leftists think of it as an issue of solidarity. Back in the day a common strike-breaking technique was to hire black scabs. That was bad for the unions because it undermined the effectiveness of strikes. But the only reason that there were black people available to do scab work was because the unions wouldn't let black people join. So the black people couldn't get good union jobs, didn't see the benefits of unions, and had no reason not to do scab work. The solution is simple; get blacks into the same unions as whites. Black workers received the benefits of union membership, and the white workers couldn't be undermined by black scabs. Being less racist was part and parcel of a more effective labor movement. Solidarity among workers of all races led to material benefits for them all.

The liberals see things as an issue of privilege. White people gain the benefit of privilege when black people have less than whites. It's a zero sum game. For blacks to gain, whites must lose. So racial justice and economic aren't just not intertwined, they're actually at odds with each other.

That's the problem right there, leftists and liberals are coming at the issue from contradictory assumptions.

except the liberal assumption is stupid as poo poo

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


ate poo poo on live tv posted:

Are Guillotines actually illegal? I don't imagine they are classified as weapons. I mean obviously until the People's Democratic Socialist Courts are instituted they would be illegal to use, but surely any good protest should have a few portable guillotines, maybe with some watermelon's for demonstration purposes.

idk I just didn't think we should break out the guillotines until we have the rich in stocks otherwise they might catch on

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
rich liberals want to separate economic and social justice in a country founded on white people profiting off the forced labor of black slaves so they don't feel bad about being on the wrong side of history

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
like every time there's been an economic program undertaken by the government until recently its always been moderates trying to win over white racists by means testing minorities out of its benefits

ThndrShk2k
Nov 3, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Bread Liar
Buddy if you don't have a $200 designer guillotine at your next operation wallstreet protest sponsored by TD BANK I duno but here's what I think 1/96

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




a $200 guillotine would be p shoddy

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Squizzle posted:

a $200 guillotine would be p shoddy

you could probably get away with $200 just for the lumber. I dunno how much a guillotine blade cots, but I bet it's a surprising amount.

of course, that's not taking into account the cost of your labor, which is problematic

Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




if you want something that doesnt need sharpening after every single use and is heavy enough to push thru every time your lookin at, guesstimating, high thousands to low tens of thousands for the blade

maybe $8k minimum????? im not remotely sure, just kinda pulling numbers from the ether

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe

Squizzle posted:

if you want something that doesnt need sharpening after every single use and is heavy enough to push thru every time your lookin at, guesstimating, high thousands to low tens of thousands for the blade

maybe $8k minimum????? im not remotely sure, just kinda pulling numbers from the ether

lamo just get a car door, hammer it out and sharpen

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Squizzle posted:

if you want something that doesnt need sharpening after every single use and is heavy enough to push thru every time your lookin at, guesstimating, high thousands to low tens of thousands for the blade

maybe $8k minimum????? im not remotely sure, just kinda pulling numbers from the ether

A guillotine blade is just sharpened iron or steel attached to a weighted block. You don't need the blade itself to be that heavy or sharp.

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
*learned capitalism helplessness*

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
oh we can't afford the revolution
powerrangers is the opiate of the masses !

UHD
Nov 11, 2006


how did the french afford them then

Oh Snapple!
Dec 27, 2005

have yall considered nature's guillotine: a large rock falling from an elevated position

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Oh Snapple! posted:

have yall considered nature's guillotine: a large rock falling from an elevated position

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJEqeu-K7m0

Baloogan
Dec 5, 2004
Fun Shoe
if the revolution comes, which it will not because yall cucks are lazy as gently caress
and if the rich somehow don't get away, which they will because ~airtravel~
and if yall actually get organized, which you will not because lol leftist fractionalization



you ain't gonna use gillotines

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Squizzle
Apr 24, 2008




UHD posted:

how did the french afford them then

i assume the tradesmen making the blades comped them for the revolution

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