Hollismason posted:

Kapernick's career is probably over as well because of this which is pretty crazy. Of course this may be more to do with him not being that great.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Evil Fluffy posted:

He's still a better player, and person, than Tim Teebow.


The guillotine is too good for people like Guice.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

wow, the rats are leaving the ship:

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/449516/donald-trump-russia-benefit-doubt-now-gone

quote:

“Trust Nothing, Defend Nothing” was my advice.

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(I wanted to turn this into a Latin slogan, but when I typed “Trust Nothing, Defend Nothing” into Google’s Latin translation thingamabob I got “Nihil confido, nihil pupillo defendite viduam.” This looked fishy to me so I translated that back into English and got: “I trust there is nothing, there is nothing, for the fatherless, plead for the widow.” This seems either like World War II code for “We’re invading Belgium on Wednesday” or the sign-language subtitles from Charlie Rose’s interview of Paco, the chain-smoking existentialist gorilla).

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

wow, the rats are leaving the ship:

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/449516/donald-trump-russia-benefit-doubt-now-gone

WeAreTheRomans posted:

Since he can't even bother recording a couple lines for his Disney robot, Im not too surprised by anything else being too challenging

Gotta preserve that internal battery.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

wow, the rats are leaving the ship:

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/449516/donald-trump-russia-benefit-doubt-now-gone

Pollyanna posted:

I'm not sure who this person is, so until I see more and bigger rats leaving the ship, I'm not convinced.

quote:

Goldberg's career as a pundit was launched following his mother Lucianne Goldberg's role in the Clinton–Lewinsky scandal, when he wrote about the "media siege" on his mother's apartment in The New Yorker.[3][4]

Goldberg has spoken of his mother and the Lewinsky scandal:

My mother was the one who advised Linda Tripp to record her conversations with Monica Lewinsky and to save the dress. I was privy to some of that stuff, and when the administration set about to destroy Lewinsky, Tripp, and my mom, I defended my mom and by extension Tripp... I have zero desire to have those arguments again. I did my bit in the trenches of Clinton's trousers.[5]

These tapes became the focal point of the Lewinsky scandal. Goldberg was privy to the tapes and the conversations his mother had with Tripp because he served as a vice president of his mother's now-defunct literary agency.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Jonah Goldberg is a long-term NRO front-rank writer, kinda like a younger John Derbyshire.



https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000W917ZG/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

Pollyanna posted:

Okay this should be interesting.

Pollyanna posted:

I'm not sure who this person is, so until I see more and bigger rats leaving the ship, I'm not convinced.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

wow, the rats are leaving the ship:

http://www.nationalreview.com/g-file/449516/donald-trump-russia-benefit-doubt-now-gone

business hammocks posted:

He would only do it if he could improvise. He refused to read a script.

skylined! posted:

l oooooo l

https://twitter.com/AishaS/status/885891831082438657

gently caress SNEEP posted:

That article was retracted

Crabtree posted:

They still like feckless whataboutism and would have preferred if Trump actually knew how to lie properly.

quote:

But the lying really isn’t the problem. Sometimes the Trump team tells the truth. Sometimes it buries the kernels of truth in the larger nougat of B.S. The problem is that Trump and his people can’t stay on message, whether it’s true or false. President Trump just doesn’t care if he makes his surrogates, including members of his cabinet and family, look like chumps.

business hammocks posted:

Why would the imagineers lie?

silly mane posted:

It pretty much says exactly this in the article. A few paragraphs in:


"Lying is fine but he's stupid as gently caress about it and THAT'S what's bad!"

WampaLord posted:

You would think there's a huge opportunity here for some "principled" GOP Senator to actually like flip parties and try to get on the "right side of history" but lmao if you expect any of them to be principled in any way.

E: Like, you just know that the Dems would loving welcome the first one to do this with like a ticker tape parade. "Oh my god, we converted one!" it's the neoliberal dream.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

GUYS. I FOUND A MAY 2016 ISSUE OF NRO.

I THINK THEY ARE TURNING AGAINST HIM.

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

Fair and expected point, but they all got back on board after he got the nomination, so this is new.

Magic Hate Ball posted:

"The problem is that Trump and his people can’t stay on message, whether it’s true or false" lmao christ these people

Crabtree posted:

Every time you believe in the pee tape and say it is real, the footage is brought closer into this reality.

gently caress SNEEP posted:

The issue is that it was poorly/falsely sourced, not that any Imagineers lied

Dick Trauma posted:

The idea that the GOP and right wing voters have a line beyond which they will not support Trump is a fantasy. It was a fantasy during the election process, it's a fantasy now. From the beginning of his campaign it's been one horrible event after another, sometimes more than one per day, his polls are lousy, he's at war with the media... and not one Republican has abandoned him. Not one has gone on TV and said "I will not vote for anything he wants because he's morally and ethically bankrupt."

You guys are dreaming.

quote:

Republicans Confident Senator Dean Heller Will Be ‘Bought Off,’ Pass Trumpcare with 50 Votes in Senate and Return Issue to House

When the Senate Republican leadership unveiled its latest plan to roll back Obamacare, senators Rand Paul and Susan Collins quickly announced opposition. With the two free passes to vote no claimed, the next Republican to oppose the bill would deny it a majority. That Republican would apparently be Nevada’s Dean Heller, who had denounced in unequivocal terms the plan’s enormous Medicaid cuts, which are unchanged in the latest bill. But Heller has remained curiously silent.

Ominously, Mike Allen reports, “Republicans keep telling me Sen. Dean Heller of Nevada, a third apparent ‘nay,’ will be ‘bought off.’”

One of the key dynamics of this legislative saga is that Republican objections to the bill, however strong or unambiguous, tend to melt away in the face of partisan pressure. Senator Bill Cassidy had once articulated the strongest opposition to Trumpcare, arguing that coverage gains in Obamacare should actually be expanded rather than rolled back. Cassidy endorsed the “Jimmy Kimmel test,” saying he would not support any bill that makes medical care unaffordable for an American with preexisting conditions. His new version of the Kimmel Test seems to be that he will not vote for anything unless it satisfies the following conditions: (1) It is a piece of legislation (2) that Republicans want to pass.

Meanwhile, even as of a few days ago, reports indicated that an outright majority of Republican senators rejected Ted Cruz’s amendment to allow insurers to sell plans that don’t protect preexisting conditions. Now that resistance is “melting away,” reports Caitlin Owens, because, as a GOP aide tells her, “No one wants to be bad guy.” (You might think “bad guy” means a person who denies medical care to sick people, but in this context, it indicates precisely the opposite.)

That leaves Heller up next. “This bill would mean a loss of coverage for millions of Americans, and many Nevadans. I’m telling you right now, I cannot support a piece of legislation that takes insurance away from tens of millions of Americans, and hundreds of thousands of Nevadans,” he said in June. That statement leaves no room for ambiguity, no need for reading the fine points of the revised bill. And yet Heller is silent and Republicans are cackling about buying him off, so the bill seems to be very much alive at the moment. Heller has indicated to Republican leadership that healthcare needs to be handled delicately.

As the most vulnerable Republican up for election in 2018, Heller has privately said that he believes that not passing any bill will be more damaging to his prospects than passing an unpopular bill. He's asked House leaders and Senate Majority Leader McConnell (R-KY) to craft a bill that delays or dulls aspects of the bill that would be ripe for attack ads in 2018.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

Hieronymous Alloy posted:

That's true too!

There's no hard line.


There is, however, an outside chance that over time more and more conservatives will realize that Trump is useless to them, and jump ship, one by one. Eventually if enough jump ship, then there's a chance they won't get in the way as others push impeachment or the 25th. Nixon didn't resign because of Democrats; he resigned because he lost the active support of Republicans. The same thing happening again is a sine qua non of any impeachment or 25th amendment removal of Trump

Dapper_Swindler posted:

gently caress will it pass the house?

pillsburysoldier posted:

I appreciate Jonah Goldberg's calling for Republicans to stop "whataboutism" and leaves the door open for "when Democrats will inevitably do the same thing when it's their turn" like there's anything even remotely in-the-cards for the Democratic Party like colluding with an antagonistic foreign government

Al Borland Corp. posted:

Trump wasn't even doing anything in the tape. He was just watching. This wasn't even a sex act, it was like a modern art performance. If you seriously have a problem with it, I don't know how you have John "spirit cooking" Podesta in your party, that's ten times worse. You think pee is some kind of sex thing, what are you some kind of pervert?